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OK great then they should buy it themselves.

Chicago won’t sell it. If they ever got past that hurdle, they’d have the nerds at Friends of the Park suing them over every proposed renovation, no matter how small.

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They don't want to own a stadium, they want to operate it while it's owned by some phony-baloney "stadium authority" so they can collect all the revenue but not pay taxes or pay for any major upkeep.

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They don't want to own a stadium, they want to operate it while it's owned by some phony-baloney "stadium authority" so they can collect all the revenue but not pay taxes or pay for any major upkeep.

The Bears and the NFL would happily buy the site and parking. They'd make billions on it.

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They don't want to own a stadium, they want to operate it while it's owned by some phony-baloney "stadium authority" so they can collect all the revenue but not pay taxes or pay for any major upkeep.

The Bears and the NFL would happily buy the site and parking. They'd make billions on it.


Wondering if the NFL has already appointed someone to carry the hapless McKaskey clan through the stadium process. The NFL would certainly be quite interested in making sure that a major market franchise like the Bears has a state of the art facility.

Hearing a lot of chirping about how they would like all stadiums to be domed to eliminate the weather factor. That seems to be an effort to enable offense as the league does not want wind or snow to impact the numbers of the QB's they use to market the league. You do risk turning it into an NBA type product where you call a foul when someone sneezes on a star player, but some are claiming they are already doing just that to protect the Swifts, or I mean the Chiefs.


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USA wrote:
OK great then they should buy it themselves.

Chicago won’t sell it. If they ever got past that hurdle, they’d have the nerds at Friends of the Park suing them over every purposed renovation, no matter how small.

Right so they tried this Arlington Heights idea which fell flat on its face because they have no money.


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I happen to like that our lakefront isn't for sale. That was the whole idea. I don't want anyone "making billions" on it.

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I happen to like that our lakefront isn't for sale. That was the whole idea. I don't want anyone "making billions" on it.

But why complain that they don't own the stadium then?

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I happen to like that our lakefront isn't for sale. That was the whole idea. I don't want anyone "making billions" on it.

But why complain that they don't own the stadium then?

I'm not really complaining. Very few NFL teams own their stadiums outright compared with the other three leagues. Rams, Dolphins, Patriots, and I think that's about it (and the Patriots are still riding off being gifted a giant parcel of crappy land in 1970). Owning a football stadium doesn't make much sense because there's not really much money in it.

Even if the Bears could buy Soldier Field from the city, whore out the name, keep all the beer money, and book 50 Beyonce concerts a year, they wouldn't, because it wouldn't make financial sense.

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I happen to like that our lakefront isn't for sale. That was the whole idea. I don't want anyone "making billions" on it.

But why complain that they don't own the stadium then?

I'm not really complaining. Very few NFL teams own their stadiums outright compared with the other three leagues. Rams, Dolphins, Patriots, and I think that's about it (and the Patriots are still riding off being gifted a giant parcel of crappy land in 1970). Owning a football stadium doesn't make much sense because there's not really much money in it.

Even if the Bears could buy Soldier Field from the city, whore out the name, keep all the beer money, and book 50 Beyonce concerts a year, they wouldn't, because it wouldn't make financial sense.


Exactly. If the stadium would make billions, the city/state should own it and collect the revenue. The Bears are just a minority tenant, hosting 8-10 events (games) per year. They have no leverage as they could never leave the state. They deserve nothing more than what they have right now.

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The 76ers were making a ton of noise about finally getting out from under the Flyers and razing Philadelphia's Chinatown to put up their own new arena and surrounding retail. Then they came out yesterday to say "oops, never mind," and that they're going to stay partnered with the Flyers to build a new arena for both teams in the South Philadelphia Sports Parking Lot. The dynamics are a little different in Philly than they are here, but it's another recent example of an ambitious sports real estate project getting dialed way down.

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Pivoting back to Michael Reese?


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A great option. Much better than the worst option of "Deal with it Bears".

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I don't think $466 million for roads and bridges is likely going to be determinative.


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The 76ers were making a ton of noise about finally getting out from under the Flyers and razing Philadelphia's Chinatown to put up their own new arena and surrounding retail. Then they came out yesterday to say "oops, never mind," and that they're going to stay partnered with the Flyers to build a new arena for both teams in the South Philadelphia Sports Parking Lot. The dynamics are a little different in Philly than they are here, but it's another recent example of an ambitious sports real estate project getting dialed way down.


I don't find there to be an analogue here. An arena has way more potential dates of use than a stadium. And there were two teams going against eachother.

https://www.fieldofschemes.com/2025/01/ ... what-cost/
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"In an editorial late yesterday afternoon, the Philadelphia Inquirer called the last four years spent on the Market East arena plans “a giant waste of time and money for everyone.” That’s not quite true: It was clearly time and money well spent for the Sixers owners, who were able to use the threat of their own arena to get Comcast to the table to work out this new deal."

The Bulls and Blackhawks have already announced their big renovation and real estate venture by the United Center. Thankfully for the city, those two teams (relatively unwealthy compared to Sixers and Flyers ownership, by the way) have such a great track record of that partnership providing results, like CHSN


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Pivoting back to Michael Reese?



there's not enough land there to do anything other than have football. It is transit friendly and could revive Bronzeville. Maybe this is why Warren was so confident? Politicians were waiting until after the election?

I still think AH is the best spot. The season ticket holders are north and west of the city.

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That spot is fine. Staying in soldier field is fine.

Buying AH for $200m and getting nothing accomplished is either savvy real estate investing or an all time galaxy brain Bears moment.

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Now you’re going to see public backlash. People are vehemently opposed to giving the Bears a single rat cent.


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Now you’re going to see public backlash. People are vehemently opposed to giving the Bears a single rat cent.

Kevin Warren might’ve done the old Slick Willy and triangulated his way to an outcome. A good outcome? Probably not.

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Now you’re going to see public backlash. People are vehemently opposed to giving the Bears a single rat cent.

Kevin Warren might’ve done the old Slick Willy and triangulated his way to an outcome. A good outcome? Probably not.

$500m is nothing. If anything this signals to the Bears how far they are from being even remotely close. This building will cost $10b minimum, the McCaskey are in way over their skis.


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Now you’re going to see public backlash. People are vehemently opposed to giving the Bears a single rat cent.

Kevin Warren might’ve done the old Slick Willy and triangulated his way to an outcome. A good outcome? Probably not.

$500m is nothing. If anything this signals to the Bears how far they are from being even remotely close. This building will cost $10b minimum, the McCaskey are in way over their skis.

I genuinely don’t think the building cost is the issue. It’s the municipal improvements to infrastructure that would need political support even if Jeff Bezos swooped in (assuming Ginny is actually mortal) and offered to build a new highway and power plant on his own.

Nobody is inclined to support anything politically, so any amount of support for public money is a crack in the facade.

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there's not enough land there to do anything other than have football. It is transit friendly and could revive Bronzeville. Maybe this is why Warren was so confident? Politicians were waiting until after the election?

I still think AH is the best spot. The season ticket holders are north and west of the city.


So what? The Chicago Bears are one of the most famous sports teams in the world, playing in the third-largest city in America. And they're supposed to move 25 miles out to the suburbs to accommodate some suburbanites? What are they, DePaul basketball?

As for Michael Reese, it's not really transit-friendly and it's hard to see how a stadium that mostly sits empty will do much for Bronzeville, but the site is such a blight on the city at this point that maybe they'd throw some money at it just to make something happen there.

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I don’t mind the Micheal Reese site, I don’t mind $500 million of transportation improvements (though that does seem a little steep for a bigger train station and some road upgrades).

But they have to buy the stadium themselves. And if they can’t afford a dome that’s their fucking problem, no anyone else’s. I’m assuming this is the position of the state and city who are very non-plussed by spending billions to host one Super Bowl in 2031 then never again.


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Governor Pritzker’s position against public funding for a Bears stadium has not changed. The organization is welcome to explore other options.

I asked Rep. Buckner about the story yesterday and he said, “None of this is correct. The Governor’s folks and I were both disputing simultaneously.”


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Governor Pritzker’s position against public funding for a Bears stadium has not changed. The organization is welcome to explore other options.

I asked Rep. Buckner about the story yesterday and he said, “None of this is correct. The Governor’s folks and I were both disputing simultaneously.”


Was there earlier and found this funny. I knew squares are illegal and I annoyed my daughter's softball travel team coach by complaining about making her sell them last year.

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One of the 37 states where it’s illegal to engage in Super Bowl boxes is Illinois, but if one lawmaker has his way, the fine people of the Prairie State will be able to safely invest their money in Super Bowl squares without fear of Johnny Law breaking down their front door and tearing their 18×24 piece of oak tag paper to smithereens.

Only hitch: It’s about the dumbest law anyone could come up with to govern Super Bowl squares. It’s turning the single most innocent form of gambling — and something that the AGA figures about 36.5 million Americans did last year — into a government money-making scheme.

The bill is called the Social Gaming Act, and was introduced by Rep. John M. Cabello. It would allow Super Bowl squares, but only at existing establishments that are already licensed for video gaming. It would charge board manufacturers a $5,000 licensing fee, distributors a $1,000 licensing fee, and gaming locations a $50 yearly fee. It would also cap the max payout at $1,199.

Obviously, this is made to be a cash grab for the state, which is fine, that’s what states do, but trying to corral Super Bowl squares into an income stream just seems … well, again, dumb.


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there's not enough land there to do anything other than have football. It is transit friendly and could revive Bronzeville. Maybe this is why Warren was so confident? Politicians were waiting until after the election?

I still think AH is the best spot. The season ticket holders are north and west of the city.


So what? The Chicago Bears are one of the most famous sports teams in the world, playing in the third-largest city in America. And they're supposed to move 25 miles out to the suburbs to accommodate some suburbanites? What are they, DePaul basketball?

As for Michael Reese, it's not really transit-friendly and it's hard to see how a stadium that mostly sits empty will do much for Bronzeville, but the site is such a blight on the city at this point that maybe they'd throw some money at it just to make something happen there.

Chicago Arc was supposed to go in there and I assume it still will.

I'm biased. Won't attend a game until AH happens, assuming it will. I still drive into Wrigley once a year but even that is a massive pain. A pain that is getting better with more and more parking options, but still.

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