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They really should just take the best player. You hope that’s offensive or defensive lineman, but this team is so bereft of elite talented players it’s depressing. Fixing the offensive line takes years anyway, so you take developmental guys in rounds 2-7 and trust Ben Johnson and his staff to nurture them along. The problem of course is that Ryan Poles will just take nerds who remind him of himself.


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You could certainly fill your center and a guard slot in FA and then just draft best player available in 1st round unless you see a potential starting LT in the Ohio State, Texas, or LSU college LT's.

You easily can find a starting guard in the second round, but you need a few starting vets as you do not want rookies across the board on your o line.

Likely will see a veteran center that can help Caleb with line calls, Poles should have had that as his number one priority last off season.

The problem is that Poles falls in love with underperformers that fit his imaginary size/athleticism protocol, hoping Johnson talks him out of doing that during this draft.


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Can we just Johnson run the draft and Poles can go fetch Jimmy Johns?


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Can we just Johnson run the draft and Poles can go fetch Jimmy Johns?


That is what the local media is running with. I don't think it's a takeover. Poles just has a partner and his job is to get players that fits Johnson's scheme. That seems pretty normal to me.


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The damage is so thoroughly done though. Passing up Christian Darrisaw and Garrett Wilson for Justin Fields, passing up Jalen Carter for Darnell Wright, passing up Jayden Daniels for Caleb Williams, passing up Jared Verse/Brock Bowers for Rome Odunze…

It’s just such a huge line of blunders the dig out is going to take forever. The best time to start is now but I’ll believe it when I see it, and I think when you see the profile of who they take (smart, not particularly athletic, inoffensive, soft, low ceiling) it’ll be obvious that the draft strategy is more engrained than even the GM.


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You have incredible vision captain hindsight

The only obvious one you listed was Jalen carter.... but a few others passed on him too


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This Mike Green kid looks like a stud, likely gone late in first, but if he is still there in second round could be an option. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VRDGAR

Have seen a few mocks that have the Bears taking Landon Jackson in the 2nd round, dude does not look like a 2nd round pick in one on ones. Milum and Monheim really struggled with inside power, the Zabel kid looked far more polished, seeing Zabel mocked to the Bears in a few spots.


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Clawmaster wrote:
This Mike Green kid looks like a stud, likely gone late in first, but if he is still there in second round could be an option. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VRDGAR

Have seen a few mocks that have the Bears taking Landon Jackson in the 2nd round, dude does not look like a 2nd round pick in one on ones. Milum and Monheim really struggled with inside power, the Zabel kid looked far more polished, seeing Zabel mocked to the Bears in a few spots.

I haven’t seen seen Lando Jackson for 2 years play every game, tremendous physically gifted player. Would have loved more production.

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This Mike Green kid looks like a stud, likely gone late in first, but if he is still there in second round could be an option. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VRDGAR

Have seen a few mocks that have the Bears taking Landon Jackson in the 2nd round, dude does not look like a 2nd round pick in one on ones. Milum and Monheim really struggled with inside power, the Zabel kid looked far more polished, seeing Zabel mocked to the Bears in a few spots.

I haven’t seen seen Lando Jackson for 2 years play every game, tremendous physically gifted player. Would have loved more production.


Has great size, but plays high and will get bitch slapped around early in his NFL career by NFL tackles, he does have the size/athleticism that Poles loves so would not be surprised if they take him, would be ok if he slips to 3rd/4th round, but not in the second.

The Green kid plays with great leverage, has a great inside power move, he should develop into a solid pass rusher.


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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:27 pm 
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Clawmaster wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
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This Mike Green kid looks like a stud, likely gone late in first, but if he is still there in second round could be an option. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VRDGAR

Have seen a few mocks that have the Bears taking Landon Jackson in the 2nd round, dude does not look like a 2nd round pick in one on ones. Milum and Monheim really struggled with inside power, the Zabel kid looked far more polished, seeing Zabel mocked to the Bears in a few spots.

I haven’t seen seen Lando Jackson for 2 years play every game, tremendous physically gifted player. Would have loved more production.


Has great size, but plays high and will get bitch slapped around early in his NFL career by NFL tackles, he does have the size/athleticism that Poles loves so would not be surprised if they take him, would be ok if he slips to 3rd/4th round, but not in the second.

The Green kid plays with great leverage, has a great inside power move, he should develop into a solid pass rusher.

He will not be there in the 3rd or 4th.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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This Mike Green kid looks like a stud, likely gone late in first, but if he is still there in second round could be an option. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VRDGAR

Have seen a few mocks that have the Bears taking Landon Jackson in the 2nd round, dude does not look like a 2nd round pick in one on ones. Milum and Monheim really struggled with inside power, the Zabel kid looked far more polished, seeing Zabel mocked to the Bears in a few spots.





I’m not sure how I feel about Green. He looks slow to me and plays too upright at times.. but as a 2nd rounder he could be a great value.



If Abdul Carter is off the table in the 1st round and the Bears are thinking pass rusher at 10, James Pearce Jr out of Tennessee is worth a look. Looked great against SEC competition and jumps off the screen when you watch him. He’s a bit on the lean side but he’s also really young -true Jr I believe who’s around 20 years old.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Barring a Laremy Tunsil gas mask situation Carter is definitely off the table at 10

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Barring a Laremy Tunsil gas mask situation Carter is definitely off the table at 10

I think he is the best player in the draft.

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Barring a Laremy Tunsil gas mask situation Carter is definitely off the table at 10

Old character concerns: guy smokes weed!
New character concerns: guy abandoned somebody to die on the road.

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Barring a Laremy Tunsil gas mask situation Carter is definitely off the table at 10

Ironically I thought this was an old post about Jalen Carter. lol, might as well have been.

I’m not even sure the Bears could trade up for him if they wanted to. This is just what happens when your team ignores these positions in the draft to draft bums like Rome Odunze and Darnell Wrong then is like “OK now that we have the coach to contend all we need is a left tackle and elite pass rusher” but they only have one pick at the very end of the top ten.


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Barring a Laremy Tunsil gas mask situation Carter is definitely off the table at 10

I think he is the best player in the draft.




I think this is probably true.. but I like Pearce almost as much. His film is impressive and again, he’s been doing it in the SEC for a couple of years now.



Put it this way -Carter and Pearce may both wind up being the best pass rushers from this draft 5 years from now.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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billypootons wrote:
You have incredible vision captain hindsight

The only obvious one you listed was Jalen carter.... but a few others passed on him too


If you picked J.Carter you would be even more behind the eight ball with your OL then you currently are now.

Drafting Rome and a punter were luxuries the Bear could not afford. Too many other needs to justify those moves. Poles was too arrogant and believed all the media hype when he should have fortified the lines and prepare for war. Instead he prepared for a cup of tea at the country club.

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billypootons wrote:
You have incredible vision captain hindsight

The only obvious one you listed was Jalen carter.... but a few others passed on him too


If you picked J.Carter you would be even more behind the eight ball with your OL then you currently are now.
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How could we ever replace that mediocre/aways hurt RT, Darnell Wrong?


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Hawg Ass wrote:
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Barring a Laremy Tunsil gas mask situation Carter is definitely off the table at 10

I think he is the best player in the draft.


See him going #1 in several mocks.


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Terrible QB draft, so you will not see any of the top defensive lineman falling to #10, you get a shot at one of the tackles, but none of them are graded as franchise type LT's.

They likely sign a starting guard and center in FA which then open them up to take either a LT prospect or edge rusher at #10, you then use your 2nd and 3rd round picks on the best DT/OG/DE available.


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Juiced wrote:
billypootons wrote:
You have incredible vision captain hindsight

The only obvious one you listed was Jalen carter.... but a few others passed on him too


If you picked J.Carter you would be even more behind the eight ball with your OL then you currently are now.

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Don't give a shit. Jalen Carter is a game wrecker and we would be a better team with him included


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Caller Bob wrote:
Juiced wrote:
billypootons wrote:
You have incredible vision captain hindsight

The only obvious one you listed was Jalen carter.... but a few others passed on him too


If you picked J.Carter you would be even more behind the eight ball with your OL then you currently are now.
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How could we ever replace that mediocre/aways hurt RT, Darnell Wrong?

Hmmm the bargain bin of free agency would probably suffice to find a player of his quality.


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Caller Bob wrote:
Juiced wrote:
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You have incredible vision captain hindsight

The only obvious one you listed was Jalen carter.... but a few others passed on him too


If you picked J.Carter you would be even more behind the eight ball with your OL then you currently are now.
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How could we ever replace that mediocre/aways hurt RT, Darnell Wrong?

Hmmm the bargain bin of free agency would probably suffice to find a player of his quality.

You realize what Poles has accomplished shopping for OLs in free agency though?

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Terrible QB draft, so you will not see any of the top defensive lineman falling to #10, you get a shot at one of the tackles, but none of them are graded as franchise type LT's.

They likely sign a starting guard and center in FA which then open them up to take either a LT prospect or edge rusher at #10, you then use your 2nd and 3rd round picks on the best DT/OG/DE available.




Terrible draft for QB yet at least 2 (maybe even 3) will go in the top 5. The top Tackles in this draft are going to be picked pretty high as well even tho they have questions.


There’s a world in which the Bears take Jeanty. I can live with it because he’s probably a top-3 talent in this draft.. but the Bears have to land guys like Tre Smith in FA before doing something like this. I can also see them trading Swift, Roschon, or both if they decide to do something like this. I’d still prefer a guy like Pearce Jr at 10 if he’s there but I’m comfortable going after Guards in the 2nd round if that’s their route.

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You realize what Poles has accomplished shopping for OLs in free agency though?

I know, but I’d rather have the Lucas Patrick of right tackles and Jalen Carter than Darnell Wrong and Zaaaaaccchhhhhhhhh Pickens.


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Terrible QB draft, so you will not see any of the top defensive lineman falling to #10, you get a shot at one of the tackles, but none of them are graded as franchise type LT's.

They likely sign a starting guard and center in FA which then open them up to take either a LT prospect or edge rusher at #10, you then use your 2nd and 3rd round picks on the best DT/OG/DE available.




Terrible draft for QB yet at least 2 (maybe even 3) will go in the top 5. The top Tackles in this draft are going to be picked pretty high as well even tho they have questions.


There’s a world in which the Bears take Jeanty. I can live with it because he’s probably a top-3 talent in this draft.. but the Bears have to land guys like Tre Smith in FA before doing something like this. I can also see them trading Swift, Roschon, or both if they decide to do something like this. I’d still prefer a guy like Pearce Jr at 10 if he’s there but I’m comfortable going after Guards in the 2nd round if that’s their route.

The Jaxson Dart hype train is picking up steam.

He’ll be this year’s Levis.

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Terrible QB draft, so you will not see any of the top defensive lineman falling to #10, you get a shot at one of the tackles, but none of them are graded as franchise type LT's.

They likely sign a starting guard and center in FA which then open them up to take either a LT prospect or edge rusher at #10, you then use your 2nd and 3rd round picks on the best DT/OG/DE available.




Terrible draft for QB yet at least 2 (maybe even 3) will go in the top 5. The top Tackles in this draft are going to be picked pretty high as well even tho they have questions.


There’s a world in which the Bears take Jeanty. I can live with it because he’s probably a top-3 talent in this draft.. but the Bears have to land guys like Tre Smith in FA before doing something like this. I can also see them trading Swift, Roschon, or both if they decide to do something like this. I’d still prefer a guy like Pearce Jr at 10 if he’s there but I’m comfortable going after Guards in the 2nd round if that’s their route.

The Jaxson Dart hype train is picking up steam.

He’ll be this year’s Levis.

I have seen seen him quite a bit and not a fan. Also, apparently scouts weren’t too impressed according to The Athletic article I just raid saying both he and Milroe did nothing to improve their stock this week.

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The Pickens, Taylor, Booker, Scott, Sewell, Johnson, and Amegadjie picks look worse by the day, you would have your starting center and likely a starting guard if you had used at least one those picks correctly. The fact that they passed on Cooper Beebe for Amegadjie was a head scratcher at the time, the kind of idiotic reach that cripples your roster for years, hoping Johnson will talk Poles out of these types of goofy draft day reaches.


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amigadije was always going to be a redshirt. He had that time honored Bears draft trait of joining the team pre injured

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amigadije was always going to be a redshirt. He had that time honored Bears draft trait of joining the team pre injured


Third round is way too early to take a "redshirt" guy, but your post does point to the startling lack of self-awareness we saw from Poles last off season, how else can you explain the 3rd and 4th round picks?

We certainly learned he does not have the feet to play LT, maybe they get him on the Thayer "NFL level conditioning" program and in a few years, he can play guard or back up your RT.


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