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Burden is an admission by them that they missed on Odunze

Different skill sets. Odunze is going to be a big body possession guy (maybe, if he gets good). Burden is a shifty YAC guy who’d eventually take over from Moore.

Burden pick has nothing to do with Odunze. It was about a huge talent being there and they could not pass him up. If anything he is going to fill the hole left by Allen.


My bet is that Burden was BPA by at least 10 picks and probably more like 20. He's a mid teens talent. Egbuka went at 19. Burden is better than him.

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Odunze hating needs to chill. He produced just fine for a rookie wr. History bodes well for wr who produce what he did in his rookie year


54-734 is a nice rookie season. He had a very good YPC. I'd like to see the catch % increase substantially and more TD.

people are being beguiled by USA silver tongued style.

He would have been WR1 in this year's draft. Tet Mc Millan went 8, just as Odunze. He is not nearly the prospect.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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I know Poles hasn't earned our trust and the Commanders game is stuck in our mind but I think everyone has just given up on Amengadjie. Would it shock you to hear a third round OL pushed for a starting position in year 2 (if it was another team)?

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Burden is an admission by them that they missed on Odunze


That is a ridiculous statement.


Odunze may be a fine player, but for a top 10 overall pick his rookie season was pretty mid. If he was already showing elite talent, I highly doubt they are going WR again with so many other holes. There is only one football to go around.


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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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I'm as unhappy as everyone else that they didn't get a RB earlier. I've always like Monangai. For the moment, think of him like Khalil Herbert in his good days. Stocky player who is productive as a runner. Not fast but a guy who will always have a nice YPC. I don't think he was really tested as a receiver or in pass protection, so I don't know where he is with that. Definitely a playable player who can produce in a role.

My Herbert comp makes it strange because he fell out of favor here last year.

I would have bet LaQuint Allen was the guy they were going to draft at that position because of his elite pass catching skills. I suppose they see Swift as being able to cover that role.

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Poles got the rug pulled out from him early in round 2 with the two Ohio State running backs being taken, and then traded back in the 2nd round and took two players with a 3rd round grade. The weekend could not have been worse.


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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Caller Bob wrote:
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Burden is an admission by them that they missed on Odunze


That is a ridiculous statement.


Odunze may be a fine player, but for a top 10 overall pick his rookie season was pretty mid. If he was already showing elite talent, I highly doubt they are going WR again with so many other holes. There is only one football to go around.


You put three wr on the field a lot and there was a guy with mid teen talent sitting there at 39.

I do think they would have passed on him if Henderson hadn't been taken but I think Burden had a much higher grade than even him.

It wouldn't shock me if Burden is a star. He's has that star diva quality about him.

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Poles got the rug pulled out from him early in round 2 with the two Ohio State running backs being taken, and then traded back in the 2nd round and took two players with a 3rd round grade. The weekend could not have been worse.


I'm not going to lie and say I knew a lot about Trapilo before Friday. He seems to have LT skills but a need to get stronger. BC is one of those places that I think does a good job of producing OL, like Wisconsin. I just trust OL coming from the school to have competency.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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I know Poles hasn't earned our trust and the Commanders game is stuck in our mind but I think everyone has just given up on Amengadjie. Would it shock you to hear a third round OL pushed for a starting position in year 2 (if it was another team)?

Is the hypothetical guy on the other team a pre-injured Ivy Leaguer?

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Overall with this draft, I just think they traded out of talent at need positions who would have arguably started on Day 1. But you could probably look at my history of post draft posts and I say the same every year, so what do I know.

41 really bothers me because I just think Ersery was an obvious choice.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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I know Poles hasn't earned our trust and the Commanders game is stuck in our mind but I think everyone has just given up on Amengadjie. Would it shock you to hear a third round OL pushed for a starting position in year 2 (if it was another team)?

Is the hypothetical guy on the other team a pre-injured Ivy Leaguer?


yes

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I think it was Hoge that I saw with a blurb about putting the rookie from BC at RT and moving Wright to LT.

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I didn't really like what they did with UDFA either. The Cal DE is kind of interesting. He had pretty good pass rush production and is the big DE Allen likes.

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Since Ryan Poles took over this team has spent three firsts (I count DJ Moore as costing a first round pick), two seconds, a third and two fourths on pass catchers. Aside from Moore none of them have been good.

It just has to stop, this is no way to build a team and we all know that. Matt Millen was turned into a nationwide pariah figure for this.


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good dolphin wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Poles got the rug pulled out from him early in round 2 with the two Ohio State running backs being taken, and then traded back in the 2nd round and took two players with a 3rd round grade. The weekend could not have been worse.


I'm not going to lie and say I knew a lot about Trapilo before Friday. He seems to have LT skills but a need to get stronger. BC is one of those places that I think does a good job of producing OL, like Wisconsin. I just trust OL coming from the school to have competency.


One of my major concerns is depth on the interior OL. Jonah Jackson hasn't played a complete season since 2021, and Thuney, while durable, is 32 years old. Where is the young talent at guard?

Trapilo sounds like a good prospect to me at tackle, but it's going to take him a while to adjust to the NFL. Amegadjie also looks like he has a way to go before he will be NFL-ready. This likely means the Bears have no answer for left tackle depth even though they entered the draft and free agency knowing that Braxton Jones is injury prone and may not be available for the start of the season.

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Since Ryan Poles took over this team has spent three firsts (I count DJ Moore as costing a first round pick), two seconds, a third and two fourths on pass catchers. Aside from Moore none of them have been good.

It just has to stop, this is no way to build a team and we all know that. Matt Millen was turned into a nationwide pariah figure for this.


Poles has struck out at almost every player acquisition since arriving in Chicago.

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I think it was Hoge that I saw with a blurb about putting the rookie from BC at RT and moving Wright to LT.


Wright has trouble with speed rushers at right tackle. It's hard to believe he wouldn't be overwhelmed at LT.

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I think it was Hoge that I saw with a blurb about putting the rookie from BC at RT and moving Wright to LT.

That's laughable. Darnell Wrong is barely cutting it at RT


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Since Ryan Poles took over this team has spent three firsts (I count DJ Moore as costing a first round pick), two seconds, a third and two fourths on pass catchers. Aside from Moore none of them have been good.

It just has to stop, this is no way to build a team and we all know that. Matt Millen was turned into a nationwide pariah figure for this.


Poles has struck out at almost every player acquisition since arriving in Chicago.

Kyler Gordon, DJ Moore and I give him a pass for Jaquan Brisker who was obviously a fantastic player before his career got derailed. That’s it I think, I guess we can say Braxton Jones outperformed expectations for a fifth round pick but they have mishandled that position so terribly I can’t say it was some home run pick.


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Since Ryan Poles took over this team has spent three firsts (I count DJ Moore as costing a first round pick), two seconds, a third and two fourths on pass catchers. Aside from Moore none of them have been good.

It just has to stop, this is no way to build a team and we all know that. Matt Millen was turned into a nationwide pariah figure for this.


Poles has struck out at almost every player acquisition since arriving in Chicago.

Kyler Gordon, DJ Moore and I give him a pass for Jaquan Brisker who was obviously a fantastic player before his career got derailed. That’s it I think, I guess we can say Braxton Jones outperformed expectations for a fifth round pick but they have mishandled that position so terribly I can’t say it was some home run pick.


Brisker came into the league with a known history of concussions. That pick was a gamble. But yeah, he is terrific on the limited occasions when he is available to play.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Since Ryan Poles took over this team has spent three firsts (I count DJ Moore as costing a first round pick), two seconds, a third and two fourths on pass catchers. Aside from Moore none of them have been good.

It just has to stop, this is no way to build a team and we all know that. Matt Millen was turned into a nationwide pariah figure for this.


Poles has struck out at almost every player acquisition since arriving in Chicago.


Think of the C position, if you feel like vomiting your oatmeal this morning.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Poles got the rug pulled out from him early in round 2 with the two Ohio State running backs being taken, and then traded back in the 2nd round and took two players with a 3rd round grade. The weekend could not have been worse.


I'm not going to lie and say I knew a lot about Trapilo before Friday. He seems to have LT skills but a need to get stronger. BC is one of those places that I think does a good job of producing OL, like Wisconsin. I just trust OL coming from the school to have competency.


One of my major concerns is depth on the interior OL. Jonah Jackson hasn't played a complete season since 2021, and Thuney, while durable, is 32 years old. Where is the young talent at guard?

Trapilo sounds like a good prospect to me at tackle, but it's going to take him a while to adjust to the NFL. Amegadjie also looks like he has a way to go before he will be NFL-ready. This likely means the Bears have no answer for left tackle depth even though they entered the draft and free agency knowing that Braxton Jones is injury prone and may not be available for the start of the season.


I know it's not warranted by this organization, but you have to trust in Amegadije being better. His injury didn't allow him to lift and he was an FCS player without a training camp. He has to be better, right...right?

That MSU OL sounds like the kind of guy they should be picking every year in that spot

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good dolphin wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Poles got the rug pulled out from him early in round 2 with the two Ohio State running backs being taken, and then traded back in the 2nd round and took two players with a 3rd round grade. The weekend could not have been worse.


I'm not going to lie and say I knew a lot about Trapilo before Friday. He seems to have LT skills but a need to get stronger. BC is one of those places that I think does a good job of producing OL, like Wisconsin. I just trust OL coming from the school to have competency.


One of my major concerns is depth on the interior OL. Jonah Jackson hasn't played a complete season since 2021, and Thuney, while durable, is 32 years old. Where is the young talent at guard?

Trapilo sounds like a good prospect to me at tackle, but it's going to take him a while to adjust to the NFL. Amegadjie also looks like he has a way to go before he will be NFL-ready. This likely means the Bears have no answer for left tackle depth even though they entered the draft and free agency knowing that Braxton Jones is injury prone and may not be available for the start of the season.


I know it's not warranted by this organization, but you have to trust in Amegadije being better. His injury didn't allow him to lift and he was an FCS player without a training camp. He has to be better, right...right?

That MSU OL sounds like the kind of guy they should be picking every year in that spot


last year, they would do the 3/4 speed pregame warmups where d line rushes against o-line right in front of my seats. Amegadije would get bull rushed and didnt seem up to the task physically. it was disturbing to watch.


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I don’t think Amegadjie’s odds of making the roster are very good.


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I don’t think Amegadjie’s odds of making the roster are very good.

:lol: stop with this mess. He is making the roster.

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If he makes the roster it's out of mercy because they don't want to cut bait on a third rounder. He can't play.


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I don’t think Amegadjie’s odds of making the roster are very good.

:lol: stop with this mess. He is making the roster.

If he does it will be for lack of better options and his draft status.


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I don’t think Amegadjie’s odds of making the roster are very good.

:lol: stop with this mess. He is making the roster.

If he does it will be for lack of better options and his draft status.

he is a 3rd round pick going into his 2nd year. He is not getting cut. Stop with this nonsense.

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If he makes the roster it's out of mercy because they don't want to cut bait on a third rounder. He can't play.

Doug Kramer stayed pre-injured for years and they were drawing up plays to get him the ball last year.

Poles does not move on from bad, injured linemen.

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I don’t think Amegadjie’s odds of making the roster are very good.

:lol: stop with this mess. He is making the roster.

If he does it will be for lack of better options and his draft status.

he is a 3rd round pick going into his 2nd year. He is not getting cut. Stop with this nonsense.

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