and the follow up, you BROKE my EMPIRE.

Again, it's hard for me to put my finger on what I dislike about the genre. I'm not saying you shouldn't like it or even that it isn't a good song.

I guess something about the vocal just seems performative. Like a theater kid who is more interested in applause than expressing real emotion.

A song like "New Partner" or "Flashes and Cables" is just so much more sincere and emotionally powerful.

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I'm a big fan (Big Fan?) of pop punk. Bands I like are Riddlin' Kids, SR-71, Goldfinger, Less than Jake, Reel Big Fish, Teenage Bottlerocket, Alkaline Trio, New Found Glory, Bouncing Souls among others. Some of these bands are more punk-ska and some are probably more punk than pop punk but it's a style I dig and have for the past 30 years, I'd guess.

I never really considered Gaslight Anthem pop punk until I heard the lead singer on the podcast of Less than Jake's lead guitarist and vocalist Chris Demakes on his podcast when they talked about their song 45. 45 definitely is a pop punk song.

Certainly, Blink-182's Dude Ranch is different than their more commercial stuff. Not sure if they changed producers between Dude Ranch and their other stuff, but the sound is different. And over time, their sound changed, too. Same with Green Day.

Pop-punk is a mile wide and an inch deep, I feel. All those bands can come up with a good song, but I'd never feel compelled to explore them deeper. blink-182 is an exception; they had a handful of catchy songs and they're a band of my childhood so I'm biased. I think there's a real craftsmanship to coming up with a great three-chord, three-minute song that's also high-energy, melodic, and memorable. Probably why most of those bands can't do it more than once.

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Pop Punk is an outstanding genre of music. It is extremely consumable. You can eat it up and be done with it and before you know it you are on to the next bad or song. I've listened to all of it and pretty much liked all of it except when it got too soft and emo infused like say Cartel. I tend to like the bands that are a little harder but stay melodic with the vocals like Sum 41, Ryan's Hope, Direct Hit, Alkaline trio, Off with their heads and the lawrence arms and teenage bottlerocket. Simple Plan does the theme for a scooby doo series and bowling for soup does a chuck e cheese commercial so you can tell the bands that want 3 chords and a paycheck vs actually making something respectable. I got into screaching weasel early on so i have a soft place in my heart for anything that sounds like their weird suburban ramones sound.

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That's my purse! I don't know you!

Don’t forget Nerf Herder, who did the Buffy theme.

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Who sang, "It's terror time again!" on Scooby Doo and Zombie Island? It was pretty funny.

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I am listening to John and Steve call a White Sox baseball game.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Still so much coolness on this board, even with the declining numbah of postahs

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Is this the new thing? CFMB Spotify Playlists? I’m on it.

W_Z, that is a great idea.

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Blink-182 also had the benefit of an exceptional drummer

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From that era, I think Rancid is a helluva band. Let's Go!, ....And Out Come the Wolves, and Life Won't Wait are all pretty darn good. Really fun live band as well. As I've mentioned here in the past, I hung out with Tim Armstrong a couple times in my (increasingly distant) younger days. Good guy, seemed oddly entertained by my commentary on Debs and Luxemburg.

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Yeah, and I don't consider Rancid pop-punk.

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Fair enough. Most probably consider them ska punk, but they certainly weren't at the same level as Operation Ivy in that regard.

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Rancid was kind of like Goldfinger to me.

I just died a little inside.

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Rancid is / was nowhere near pop punk. Rancid had cred and legitimacy

Before we start bagging on Goldfinger....can we all at least admit "Here in Your Bedroom" transcends the bullshit? That song kicks all sorts of ass.

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OK, Rancid is like NOFX to me. Actually Goldfiinger’s first album indeed kicks ass, from start to finish and ends with one of the best prank phone calls of all time.

Here’s a question. Who was better, 311 or Phunk Junkeez?

Holy sh*t. did not think I'd see a reference to them on this board. I think they only had one album and it was good.

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Buzzkill. I am on YouTube Music. I am former Spotify, former ONI, former CIA.

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A lot of their deeper cuts ate definitely not punk-ska. Goldfinger, that is. I'm a Big Fan of Goldfinger and Rancid.

I loved that first Goldfinger album. I played that cd from end to end so many times when it first came out. I got the 2nd album in college and remember it being great music to study to. I didn't realize until I saw them playing some zoom covid show that Mike Herrera was the bassist.

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"Here in Your Bedroom" is a classic, but I'm not really in my area of expertise here so I'm just gonna duck down and shuffle away until the conversation shifts back to some art-rock bullshit

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I like Rancid quite a bit, but do find the faux British accent that they lapse into every now and then a little annoying.

kind of reminds me of when the bloodhound gang did a parody cover of "kids incorporated".

a'ight where's me smack?!

I agree. Billy Joe Armstrong does it too. And Robert Pollard. And Ryan Adams on occasion. I think it's a device that is used when a person is afraid to show their true emotions. Just sing like yourself, man.

There are Rancid songs that come off as Clash tributes, but they moved beyond that. Unlike Screeching Weasel which is just like if the Ramones were from Prospect Heights instead of Forest Hills.

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

W_Z, you don't like NOFX?

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