you're right. he's been on fire tonight. the guy is putting on a clinic.

Why are the Vikes playing AP?

It's over. Save him. Now Madden is saying the same thing. He's hurting.

I don't see Hutch leaving anytime soon, so I am going to go with "too many carries." Very easy to look at health vs. carries over seasons and you can see a high correlation of injury/decline in productivity with overworking a running back.

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Bring in Sex Cannon!!!!!!

[quote="Rocks and Blows"]Bears can go 3-1 in the final 4.

They can, but they won't.

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All the Viqueen's cheerleaders look like they were manufactured at a Mattel factory.

They're playing two teams under .500 and two who are all but done, 3 of the 4 being at home. But I think you're right, they'll go 2-2.

Why are you punting?

I know you can't win but you go for it in that spot. Lovie is a pussy.

Yeah, I thought he was older then 31, he has 3-5 left at least. Hawks really fucked that up, they give big money to a 30 year old Pat Kerney but not Hutch.

This loss is worse than it looks, because the tie-breakers favor Minnesota. The Bears will need to win out, because if Minnesota goes 9-7, a tie won't be good enough unless those two losses come to Detroit and Atlanta.

Winning out wouldn't be impossible- there's three winnable games plus GB at home- but four wins in a row is always tough.

Does anyone still think St. Clair is OK?

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If Orton throws deep against that coverage, its an incompletion. But it's moot, because when that's the defense, the read is deep in. If the WR doesn't make the right read, there's nothing Orton can really do. The only reason that it looks like the receiver is coming open is because the safety isn't following him, because the ball isn't near him. If that ball is put up, the safety just closes down on the sidelines.

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I think the Vikes could go 1-3.

The he was an RFA, which means that the Seahawks need to meet matching offers exactly. The Vikings put a stipulation into the contract that by 2007, Hutchinson would have to be the highest paid lineman on the team. The Seahawkshave Walter Jones at left tackle, who is paid very well and plays very well. Had they signed the contract, they would have been contractually obligated to either rework Jones's contract or cut him, and if Jones didn't want less money, he could have gone to some other team and gotten a lot on the open market. Hence they had to let him go.

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you could see in the reverse angle sharper was just floating there, watching and waiting to see where orton went with that ball. whether it is orton or lloyd at fault, sharper was ready for it.

They could- a lot depends on that final game with a possibly apathetic New York team. It'll be interesting to see if this defense can do anything against the run without Williams and Williams, who will be suspeded after today.

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Right, but that's the case whenever you see one of those "man in zone" catches; there's always a safety waiting there over he top. The only difference is that there's a WR running onto the screen in front of him. That's how that play worked, minus the WR part. I know it looks really bad, because by the time you see the secondary on the TV screen, you see a WR streaking open down the field and no one but a safety in the zone. But run correctly, Orton throws that ball just as or immediately before Lloyd makes the read, Lloyd gets position inside the safety, and it's about a 15 yard gain. Had Sharper not been further towards the middle of the field, the read would be go and Lloyd would have been correct. But Sharper had position on the outside pass.

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Yeah, but Jones is 3 years older and you could have kept him for one more year to make another super bowl run. Jones who was once great is now good and I trust Holmgrens judgement more then Ruskells.

You might be right. The common wisdom has been that guards are more replacable than tackles and that so much money shouldn't go towards any guard. I'm not saying that's right, but it is the common wisdom.

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yeah, i agree with all of that, im just saying that even if lloyd and orton had been on the right page, and lloyd had stopped short, that likely is going to be an incomplete pass at best, but it would have also prevented the int. i thought it looked dangerous because the reverse angle gave a clear shot of sharper just camping out, looking right at orton, reading his actions all the way.

I'll have to watch it again. You could be right.

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Thoughts:

Despite what Nas may have you believe (boy do you look even sillier now, Nas:lol: ) AP is the real deal. Anybody that says otherwise is not a meatball, they're a fucking moron.

The coaching on this team is still terrible. Forte did ok, but my god how many times did he need to get stuffed up the middle before Turner realized that running into the Williams fattys was not going to work.

Piggy backing on the coaching, if Lovie had any balls he would have marched into Turner's office and ripped that quick handoff to the fullback play out of the playbook weeks ago. Also, anybody catch what Andrea Kramer said at halftime? Lovie apparently said "we dominated the first half." Yeah, but you should have been up 14-3 and instead were down by 10 at half. Quite the domination, Lovie.

This team really needs help at WR because there were way too many drops out there today. Rasheid Davis, I'm looking at you specifically.

As has been pointed out here, especially by IrishBoy, John St Clair is awful. In fact, I make a motion that the "Qassim Mitchell Turnstyle Award" hereby be changed to the "John St. Clair Turnstyle Award." I don't know if Chris Williams is the answer this year, but they cannot keep marching St Clair out there. He is going to get somebody really hurt.

The Bears are Medicore at best, and of the 2 Wild Card teams today (Carolina, Atlanta) they would be underdogs in the playoffs (or maybe 3 point favorites becuase they are at home, which is essentially a "pick 'em" game anyway) and rightly so. They have gotten blown out in back to back division games now. This team drives me mad, so frustrating.

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Larry is on the post game show.

They have a live chat on NBC 5. I set up a thread in the Larry/Hampton section.

I have no real desire to rehash all that, but:

Adrian Peterson: 28 carries, 131 yards (4.7 average)

Had dumbass Kevin Payne not decided to knock three of his own players off Peterson and that 59 yard gain been, say, for 10 yards:

28 carries, 82 yards (2.9 yards a carry)

AP owes Kevin Payne a fruit basket.

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I could be wrong about it. I'll look at it again tomorrow. Orton may feel differently when he looks at the tape tomorrow though. He may also not want to say "my WR fucked up" during a press conference.

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I guess I don't have a huge problem with that, because there were three of them, and he wasn't going anywhere unless, say, a safety was going to fly in and throw a shoulder directly into the backs of his own players. They say the second guy should go for the ball, and AP is prone to fumbles. Maybe you should forget that when you have a guy like AP that could break open a game. But, once again, you should also be able to count on your safety to not be a fuck-up.

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Let me see if I can find the play on youtube to look at it.

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NFL videos has it from both the sideline angle and the backfield angle. I'm still convinced it was Lloyd that missed the read. When Orton puts the ball into the air, Lloyd is at the Bears 40. Sharper is at about the 45 or so. Sharper is just starting to bail out backwards when the ball goes into the air. Lloyd gets behind Sharper, but not until after the ball went into the air and Sharper broke in. Lloyd's cut is supposed to come as soon as Sharper begins to bail.

Like I said, I could be wrong about all that. But Lloyd certainly wasn't going to be open deep; Sharper had five yards on him and plenty of time to get over the top. Orton may have said it was his fault. His first reaction might even have been "my bad". But I think that's just being a good teammate. The last two INTs were on him.

The video, if anyone is interested, is marked "Chi vs. Min: 3rd Qtr"; the int comes around the 1:18 mark. http://www.nfl.com/videos

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Perhaps you missed the stat they flashed up tonite on AP. Thru the first 25 games of thier careers, only 3 guys have had more yards- Eric Dickerson, Jim Brown, Edgerrin James.

I stand by my statement. If you still do not believe AP is the real deal, you are a fucking moron.

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Does anyone think Edgerrin James is great?

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