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I beg to differ with some of these.

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YAHOO! MOVIE TALKWho Was Overlooked in the '100 Greatest Movie Character' List?by Jonathan Crow    December 2, 2008Any time anyone compiles a "Best of" list they are practically begging for an argument. And British movie magazine Empire has thrown down the gauntlet by releasing its list of the 100 greatest movie characters of all time. Here are their choices for the top 25:
25. Yoda (Empire Strikes Back)
24. Ash (Evil Dead)
23. Harry Callahan (Dirty Harry)
22. Red (The Shawshank Redemption)
21. Michael Corleone (The Godfather series)
20. Forrest Gump (Forrest Gump)
19. Jules Winnfield (Pulp Fiction)
18. Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver)
17. Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
16. Neo (The Matrix trilogy)
15. Ferris Bueller (Ferris Bueller's Day Off)
14. The Terminator (The Terminator series)
13. Gollum (The Lord of the Rings trilogy)
12. John McClane (Die Hard series)
11. James Bond (007 series)
10. Vito Corleone (The Godfather I & II)
9. Ellen Ripley (Alien quadrology)
8. Captain Jack Sparrow (Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy)
7. The Dude (The Big Lebowski)
6. Indiana Jones (Indiana Jones series)
5. Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
4. Han Solo (Star Wars trilogy)
3. The Joker (The Dark Knight)
2. Darth Vader (Star Wars series)
1. Tyler Durden (Fight Club)

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There are a few problems with this list. First, "Fight Club" is a great flick, but number one? Is Tyler Durden really better than Indiana Jones, James Bond, or Charles Foster Kane? Really?

Second, there are numerous characters from the same film series. "Star Wars" gets a whopping six characters -- including Boba Fett, who looked cool but had maybe ten minutes of screen time in the first trilogy. "The Lord of the Rings" gets three slots and "Anchorman" gets two. While these are all fine films, think of how many characters from other great movies didn't make the cut as a result?
Third, the list skews young and male, which makes sense since Empire's readership does as well, but it does make the final product unsatisfying. Only twelve out of the hundred characters are female, only eight characters are from films made before 1970, and only two are from non-English language movies. To put this in prespective, the nation of France -- the country that invented cinema -- has the same number of movie characters on this list as the "Saw" franchise: one.
Fourth, there were a lot of major, iconic characters that were just plain absent. So we've compiled a list of 25 other characters that weren't on the Empire list, but should have been. Of course, by posting this, we know we are also just asking for a fight.
25. Willy Wonka (Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory)
24. Khan (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)
23. Tony Manero (Saturday Night Fever)
22. Dr. Evil (Austin Powers series)
21. Mad Max (Mad Max trilogy)
20. Annie Wilkes (Misery)
19. John Rambo (Rambo series)
18. Superman (Superman, Superman II)
17. Popeye Doyle (The French Connection)
16. Michael Dorsey/Dorothy Michaels (Tootsie)
15. Jake La Motta (Raging Bull)
14. Annie Hall (Annie Hall)
13. Will Kane (High Noon)
12. Norma Desmond (Sunset Blvd.)
11. Harry Lime (The Third Man)
10. Gordon Gekko (Wall Street)
9. Yojimbo (Yojimbo, Sanjuro)
8. Tracy Flick (Election)
7. T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia)
6. Colonel Kurtz (Apocalypse Now)
5. Shaft (Shaft)
4. Jake Gittes (Chinatown)
3. Holly Golightly (Breakfast at Tiffany's)
2. Mr. Miyagi (The Karate Kid series)
1. The Tramp (Charlie Chaplin's films)

Honorable Mention: Dr. Strangelove (Dr. Strangelove), Howard Beale (Network), Fletch (Fletch), Margo Channing (All About Eve), Max Bialystock (The Producers), Otto (A Fish Called Wanda), Inigo Montoya (The Princess Bride), McLovin (Superbad), Madison (Splash), Navin R. Johnson (The Jerk), Inspector Clouseau (Pink Panther series)

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The Dude is, and will always be number one on all lists. Darth Vader probably should be #1 though with Durden as 2 but I'm just glad they gave Durden some love in the first place. Also Captain Jack Sparrow and Neo shouldn't be anywhere near the top 100 even. Yoda should also be quite a bit higher.


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Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs) should be #1. They have him as #5.

Fight Club was Good. But Durden's character wasn't "all time great".

How the hell did Rocky not make this list?


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I am with ya Beardown, Rocky should be on the last somewhere.

Lots of problems with this list.

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I'm not giving credit to any list that doesn't include the character of one David Wooderson. 8)

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The Dude is, and will always be number one on all lists. Darth Vader probably should be #1 though with Durden as 2 but I'm just glad they gave Durden some love in the first place. Also Captain Jack Sparrow and Neo shouldn't be anywhere near the top 100 even. Yoda should also be quite a bit higher.

Agreed about "The Dude" hell, even Walter would make my top 25.

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I am with ya Beardown, Rocky should be on the last somewhere.

Lots of problems with this list.


Absolutely. Rocky being omitted while freaking Neo is on there is a joke. If The Matrix 2 and 3 lived up to the quality of the original, Neo still wasn't that good of a character. Keanu Reeves still can't act his way out of a paper bag and the plotlines and "meaning" were totally fucked in the sequels. Plus that creepy orgy scene was just messed up. Even if you take the original Matrix on its own, Neo is just this Jesus type character. Not really all that interesting. If anything, Morpheus or the bad guy (forget his name) should be on a list before Neo. Either way, this thread has no meaning or substance until Zach arrives with his thoughts.


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Yes it's true that anytime a list like this is made, its an invitation for arguments, but this looks like a list that a total amateur like myself would make and get laughed at for. This is not a good list.

Agree with most of the critiques here, and I would ask (not that he should be very high) no love for Jeff Spicoli?

I wouldn't mind seeing Paul Newman's Fast Eddie Felson somewhere in the top 100 as well. I'm probably reaching with this one, but I'd rather see either or both the DeNiro or Grodin characters from Midnight Run rather than Fletch(???) if we're counting 80's comedies. Also wouldn't mind some representation of the Wizard of Oz, though I don't know that one particular character stands out (witch, lion?) Sharon Stone from Casino?


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A couple I find missing are "The Man with No Name" (Fistful of dollars, For a Few Dollars More, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly) or Will Muny (Unforgiven) should have been included.

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couple I would have voted for
Jack Burton
Silent Bob and Jay

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i hate these half-brained "lists" that goddamn entertainment weekly and idiots like that (i know this one came from yahoo! too)...they take one gander at their stupid ass DVD collection and say, "OH! Yeah! HIM!"

where's nurse ratchet? where's trip (denzel in "glory")? where's richard effin roma? WHERE??!!?

see a while ago a guy on youtube put together a 1-100 best movie characters list, and it PWNED. but it was taken down...a shame too.

doc holliday was number 1 on his list. now THAT'S a freakin list!


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couple I would have voted for
Jack Burton
Silent Bob and Jay


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The list was on yahoo.com, but it actually came from Empire magazine. I'm surprised they didn't have James Bond higher on the list. :wink:

Glaring omission IMO: Buddy Ackerman (Kevin Spacey) from Swimming with Sharks.

Not having Rocky on the list is criminal too.

The thing I like about these lists is that there can be so many different opinions. Obviously it's all subjective.

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where's nurse ratchet?


I didn't see the whole list; I assume that you didn't also mention R.P. McMurphy because he's actually on it?


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That list is a joke. I'd throw Ethan Edwards or Tom Doniphon on there or maybe Jose Ferrer's character from The Caine Mutiny for starters.

They're not even close. Do they realize there were movies before 1970?

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24_Guy wrote:

I didn't see the whole list; I assume that you didn't also mention R.P. McMurphy because he's actually on it?


yeah. here's the entire list:

1. Vito Corleone of The Godfather
2. Fred C. Dobbs of The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
3. Scarlett O'Hara of Gone With the Wind
4. Norman Bates of Psycho
5. James Bond of Dr. No
6. Annie Hall of Annie Hall
7. Indiana Jones of Raiders of the Lost Ark
8. Ellen Ripley of Alien
9. Jeff Spicoli of Fast Times at Ridgemont High
10. Gollum of Lord of the Rings
11. Margo Channing of All About Eve
12. Charles Foster Kane of Citizen Kane
13. Atticus Finch of To Kill a Mockingbird
14. Randle McMurphy of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
15. Hannibal Lecter of The Silence of the Lambs
16. Robin Hood of The Adventures of Robin Hood
17. Dorothy Gale of The Wizard of Oz
18. Carl Spackler of Caddyshack
19. Rick Blaine of Casablanca
20. Virgil Tibbs of In the Heat of the Night
21. Susan Vance of Bringing up Baby
22. Travis Bickle of Taxi Driver
23. Eathan Edwards of The Searchers
24. The Little Tramp of Mabel's Strange Predicament
25. Gordon Gekko of Wall Street
26. E.T. of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
27. Marge Gunderson of Fargo
28. Captain Quint of Jaws
29. Daphne/Jerry of Some Like it Hot
30. King Kong of King Kong
31. Norma Desmond of Sunset Boulevard
32. Holly Golightly of Breakfast at Tiffany's
33. Ratso Rizzo of Midnight Cowboy
34. Bonnie Parker of Bonnie and Clyde
35. Dr. Evil of Austin Powers
36. Alex Forrest of Fatal Attraction
37. Jake Gittes of Chinatown
38. Willy Wonka of Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
39. Michael Dorsey/Dorthy Michaels of Tootsie
40. The Terminator of The Terminator
41. Jane Craig of Broadcast News
42. "Dirty" Harry Callahan of Dirty Harry
43. Forrest Gump of Forrest Gump
44. Jules Winnfield of Pulp Fiction
45. Mary Poppins of Mary Poppins
46. John McClane of Die Hard
47. Mrs. Robinson of The Graduate
48. John "Bluto" Blutarsky of Animal House
49. Chance the Gardener of Being There
50. Blondie of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
51. Freddy Krueger of A Nightmare on Elm Street
52. Howard Beale of Network
53. Ninotchka of Ninotchka
54. Frank Booth of Blue Velvet
55. The Dude of The Big Lebowski
56. Alan Swann of My Favorite Year
57. Tom Powers of The Public Enemy
58. Phyliss Dietrichson of Double Indemnity
59. Lt. Kilgore of Apocalypse Now
60. George Bailey of It's a Wonderful Life
61. J.J. Hunsecker of Sweet Smell of Success
62. John Shaft of Shaft
63. Carrie White of Carrie
64. Rocky Balboa of Rocky
65. Edward Scissorhands of Edward Scissorhands
66. Navin Johnson of The Jerk
67. Inspector Clouseau of The Pink Panther
68. Alex DeLarge of A Clockwork Orange
69. Terry Malloy of On the Waterfront
70. Judy Benjamin of Private Benjamin
71. Rev. Harry Powell of The Night of the Hunter
72. Lloyd Dobler of Say Anything
73. Norma Rae of Norma Rae
74. Tony Montana of Scarface
75. Dr. Strangelove of Dr. Strangelove
76. Tony Manero of Saturday Night Fever
77. Annie Wilkes of Misery
78. "Mad" Max Rockatansky of Mad Max
79. Hans Beckert of M
80. Sam Spade of The Maltese Falcon
81. Aurora Greenway of Terms of Endearment
82. Jack Torrance of The Shining
83. William Cutting of Gangs of New York
84. Darth Vader of Star Wars
85. Stanley Kowalski of A Streetcar Named Desire
86. Melanie Daniels of The Birds
87. Captain Jack Sparrow of Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
88. Raymond Babbitt of Rain Man
89. Sandy Olsson of Grease
90. John Malkovich of Being John Malkovich
91. Mrs. Iselin of The Manchurian Candidate
92. Dil of The Crying Game
93. Harry Lime of The Third Man
94. Rose Sayer of The African Queen
95. Oda Mae Brown of Ghost
96. Tommy DeVito of GoodFellas
97. Ace Ventura of Ace Ventura: Pet Detective
98. Antoine Doinel of The 400 Blows
99. Kevin McCallister of Home Alone
100. Roger "Verbal" Kint of The Usual Suspects


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That's the good list, right? Much better than the other one. But even though I suggested Spicoli, he's #9? Wow. And how can Darth Vader only be in the 90s? He may not be a deeply-drawn character, but he certainly has more screen presence than many of the ones higher than him... John McClaine is 40 spots higher? Hmm...


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That's the good list, right? Much better than the other one. But even though I suggested Spicoli, he's #9? Wow. And how can Darth Vader only be in the 90s? He may not be a deeply-drawn character, but he certainly has more screen presence than many of the ones higher than him... John McClaine is 40 spots higher? Hmm...


i think this is actually a different list...the one eaglo was referring to was from EMPIRE magazine.

see what i mean? jesus christ, this is just...a waste.

there are so many damn good characters, ranking them only brings problems.


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Drill Sergeant Hartman is one of my all time favorite characters.

A Steve Buscemi role - maybe mr pink - should be mentioned and the late great paul newman.

I'm a little suprised Hal and Quint are not named and the list has no animated characters.


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Good call Spaulding on Hartman. I'm also a HUGE fan of Captain Ron and Bernie Loemax!

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Drill Sergeant Hartman is one of my all time favorite characters.

A Steve Buscemi role - maybe mr pink - should be mentioned and the late great paul newman.

I'm a little suprised Hal and Quint are not named and the list has no animated characters.



Yup Mr Pink is sooo great.

and Hartman yeah he is cool but what about Gunny Highway from Heartbreak Ridge?

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No list like this can be complete without Randall Patrick MacMurphy.

And nothing from balck and white movies? Humphrey Bogart, Jimmy Stewart anybody? This list is a shame.

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Here's a Yahoo list of people they thought were overlooked. Many were mentioned here already.

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Dude, where's Doc Holiday? I know the movie wasn't the greatest but Val Kilmer made that a complete badass role in "Tombstone"


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Dude, where's Doc Holiday? I know the movie wasn't the greatest but Val Kilmer made that a complete badass role in "Tombstone"


The movie was not that bad, just overplayed. I loved it. It was as close to a true telling of the story we have seen for a long time. The most realistic telling was the one with Tom Mix that Wyatt was a consultant on.
The entire male cast was great, the females left something.It was a man movie after all. Kilmer did show what a good actor he could be.

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That list is a joke. I'd throw Ethan Edwards or Tom Doniphon on there or maybe Jose Ferrer's character from The Caine Mutiny for starters.

They're not even close. Do they realize there were movies before 1970?

we happen to agree on this? I'd also put Shane (Shane? Shane?!) on there...

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