"Da only reason dey weren't havin' heart attacks, ok? Da reason was dat dey were busy havin' liver failures, ok? See, if you smoke AND drank, you're ok, ok? But if you only drink, da tobacco doesn't help counteract all dat bad stuff in alchohol, ok. Dat's why dey need to allow da hard-workin' guys like myself dere smokes and dere drinks."

Eh eh!!!! My immersion ov My Norte, GOBBA GOBBA GOBBA !!!!! DA SHOOOOOZZZZZZ!!!!

Health risks from second hand smoke is an overblown crock of shit. I predict that as we all quit smoking, the loss of tax revenue will more than offset the true cost of health care related to smoking. In another case of unintended consequences, this will cost us all more money in the long run. As to the study quoted above, I assume there is more to it than that. There had better be. Last time I checked, good science required proof - not signs.

I thought that Ozzie was the biggest moron to post in this thread. Thank you for stepping up and proving otherwise.

Why? Because I question statistics? Because the EPA or the ALA tell me 3400 people a year die from lung cancer from second hand smoke (out of 300+ million), and I want to know how they know that? They say Secondhand smoke causes approximately 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year. And I say, wow, that's a pretty wide spread, how do they know that, and what do they really know with such a large margin of error?

What are the studies this is based on? How do they know the circumstances of second hand smoke inhalation over a particular person's lifetime, and who determines their illness is due to this, and how? Is there one study behind these statistics, or are they culled from the results of many different studies, conducted at different times under different parameters?

I'm an ex-smoker, I quit because it was bad for me. I don't think anyone should smoke in front of the kids, and if second hand smoke bothers others, than I was always of a mind to be considerate and smoke elsewhere. But as for second hand smoke, I think there is some fear mongering going on here, and I stand by that.

¿Qué demonios habla usted de Ozzie? ¡Usted no podría manejar su asno fuera de una bolsa de papel!

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"See, dis is what I said would happen in dis country if ya lets all dese Mexicans talk Spanish. Dis is America, talk English, fer god's sake!"

I kinda wish this was left for the proprietors to decide. I used to enjoy an occasional stogie while watching a game at the bar.

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i trys harder too speek englishes nest time. Ozzie still deucebag and i like country for let me talk how i wants. I now go back to truck go back put down orange thing on road.

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I like Tony Tiger cereal. ¡ELLOS SON GRAN!

There are some bars/shows I go to where smoking should not only be allowed but encouraged. Smoke used to cover up the B.O. smell there would be at many crowded places but now that has all gone away. I'd rather smell smoke for 3+ hours than your fat man sweat.

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I read an article a while back, in the London Times online addition, I think, that said many pubs in GB are having to take extra effort to clean the air of stale beer and cooking smells now that there is no smoking.

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Du hockey comme dans le temps

I agree with the stale beer smell. I was at the Cubby Bear last summer and I felt like puking from all the stale beer (and meatballs).

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So, just because you question it, it therefore there isn't a valid study or fact to support it? Because like all projected numbers (and yes, studies show projected numbers) there isn't a tally list of who died last year of second hand smoke just to cement it as fact?

Only a moron would think that second hand smoke warnings and risks are just "fear mongering."

Simply put, you're an idiot.

I have to admit I was startled to be called an idiot - first, because I thought we were having a civil discussion, and secondly because when you do that, you remind me of my girlfriend, and that really, really creeps me out. I can't remember the last time another dude called me an idiot. My girlfriend does it all the time, for something I did, something I didn't do, or maybe because I'm just standing there. I don't mind her calling me an idiot strangely enough, because it's so dismissive that I know it means she's moved on to something else, and it's a signal that she doesn't want to use her brain on this particular thing anymore. Usually, that's fine with me. It means I'm not in for an in depth "discussion" as she calls it; what I call an argument. I thought you'd want to mix it up a little more than that. Oh well, I guess you guys have a lot in common.

FWIW, scientific studies are about hard data, not projections. And I said "some" fear mongering not "just" fear mongering.

But the point of all this and the reason I responded today was to give you this gift of Third Hand Smoke:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/healt ... ref=health


I predict by the time they get around to Fourth Hand Smoke, no one will be able to light up on or in their personal property.

Enjoy.

2nd hand smoke and global warming, two liberal myths, no doubt about it.