You guys see what North did?

Jesse, I'm convinced, got decent money from his old buddy Norht. Maybe 80k. No way he quits the Score otherwise.

The other guys are all desperate and not going anywhere. So he got them all for cheap. That's the problem. These are "no names" that nobody cares about. If it had any chance it will fail cuz the talent sucks.

Webber - Just a wide-eyed kid. North must have liked him. 40k is more than a producer makes so he'll take it. Now he's going up against Larry and Hamp.

Greenstein - Newspapers are going under. He's gotta find something else.

Hood - Was getting no air time at ESPN 1000. They canceled his night show. He sees the writing on the wall and has already been fired from the Score. Running out of options in this market.

Doyle - No idea who the fuck he is

Chet - Nearing retirement. Just wants to make a few extra bucks doing this shit before it goes under

Boom Boom - Is this the boxing guy that is on CLTV sometimes? He's a dumb ass. Probably North's buddy.

These are all guys looking for something so they'll all work for nothing. That's what North needs cuz he doesn't have any money to offer them.

Doyle is a guy that played for NU basketball a few years back. He's from NY, and has that definite NY accent, so when he filled in a few times on the radio it didn't go over too well with the Chicago meatheads.

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All you need is a press pass which will be easy to attain. People can hear Lou and Ozzy without going to the game, this stuff is online pretty quickly these days. People keep talking about how blogs don't have credibility like the papers do. Most blogs I visit usually link to a story from a newspaper and then the blogger essentially rights an opinion piece. You can tell after reading a column or two if the guy has any credibility, regardless of how many locker rooms he has been in. Has Goff ever been in the Bulls locker room? Probably not, and Goff knows alot more about the Boo then Schuster. ESPN has more locker room access then anyone and have no credibility, they got pantsed on the Brady Quinn to Broncos story by a message board.

This is what alot of guys were saying back in late 91 early 92 about the score guys, esp. Chet. Don't let your dislike of North cloud your judgement, if people listen online to espn or the score they will listen to this. Just look at all the threads of how people don't like this host etc. I think it is room for them in this market.

I hope it proves to be a succesful venture from a competitive standpoint. I think competition is good for everyone, especially the listeners.

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Yeah, but in '92 we didn't have any sports radio. So they had that advantage. This webio talent sucks and you can't hear it in your car. Most people would rather hear the Score and ESPN talent if they do listen on line at work. A web sports talker, with no talent, can't compete with the Score or ESPN. That's why it will fail. Nothing to do with me not liking North.

So does this make Webby the most "successful" ICB grad over drinky

I guess the one good thing about this webio thing is they won't have any commercials. In these tough times no sponsor will pay for spots on this thing. They'll probably just do 10 "Next Staff" reads per hour.

Do you think they'll have an update guy? Maybe to save money they'll just have the hosts do the updates at the top and bottom of every hour.

All the people saying this will fail were probably the same ones 5 years ago saying, "people will always wanna buy a copy of the paper".

What I see happening are websites like North's popping up,putting together the programming
and syndicating it to small radio stations across the country.They can establish their own network. I think that is what they are shooting for! It will be easy to figure that out. Once this thing get's started,let's see how "local" the broadcasters are.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Let's just look at this realistically. They said they are gonna have producers. They have 6 hosts lined up. Jesse and Spaceball are employed. How are they gonna be able to pay all of these people a decent salary and make a profit? It just can't be done. They just won't have the listeners. Thus they won't have the sponsors.

I'm just taking a guess that all of these hosts will get 40k. Not too many people would do it for anything less I don't think. Hell, it might be less for some guys. But let's go with that. I'll add up the cost.

Jesse - 80k

Webber - 40k
Greenstein - 40k
Producer - 15k

Hood - 40k
Doyle - 40k
Producer - 15k

Chet - 40k
Boom - 40k
Producer - 15k

Payroll = 445K

That's 445k just for the god damn staff. Can they make that money in a year? No fuckin' way. The more I think about it, the more I think it might be less than 40k for the hosts. That would mean they are paying 80k per show. Maybe North says they'll get raises if they can get an audience. Maybe they're doing it for next to nothing just to try to make it work. For all of these guys it's worth a shot. They don't have anything else lined up.

Oh, come on, I'm sure the good Fathers at Notre Dame High School have already signed on as sponsors!

There's no effing way that Webby is getting 40k.

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That makes no sense. Why the fuck would hillbilly towns in the South want to hear syndicated radio on Chicago sports?

I wonder if based on this post Mac has had discussions with Northy:

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If he's not then he's stupid. He was getting 30k at the Score, as a producer, and was starting to get air time. He has to quit his producing job to do this. His show goes against Hamp and Holmes. Plus he won't be doing shows on the Score if he's not a producer. He should have stuck with the Score.

You're probably right. Chet has to be getting more than Webber.

Beardown, where are you getting these figures? How do you know how much people are getting paid?

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Rock told us he makes less than 30k. He's a sound guy. Maybe the EP gets more. That's what Webber is. Maybe he gets 35k.

I think its been stated on this board a few times over the years that a producer makes around 20-25k, and makes other money in doing on air shifts and apperances.

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Everyone has their reasons for signing on for something like this. Here's some info from a Ray Mancini bio: "Thanks to expert legal advice, the former champion was also able to keep 75 percent of his $12 million in purse money, which enabled him to pursue a broad range of interests in retirement. More recently, Mancini realized his Hollywood dreams, appearing in as well as producing a handful of films. In addition, he gained new fans as a fight analyst for the Fox reality series, Celebrity Boxing. Mancini currently resides in Los Angeles, California. He owns the El Campeon Cigar Company and operates two movie production companies."

For him, it sounds like what the hell, let's give web radio a try, sounds interesting. Coppock's on the downside of his career, a guy like Weber is (he hopes) on the upside, Greenstein's a newspaper writer and needs something else, Hood and Rogers are kind of in the middle of careers that probably really haven't taken them where they want to be as radio hosts . . . like I say, everyone has their reasons for wanting to do this, and that's fine. I just think until truly portable Internet becomes the NORM for MANY, MANY more people, like in cars, taking it out to the garage while doing a chore or something, this is going to have a hard time. If and when its time will come, I will leave to the more technologically-astute people here to debate. If, as someone suggested, North is ten years ahead of his time, he'll be about 67 when this makes it! Good luck! Of course, even if tomorrow, webio became the hottest thing going, you still have the matter of would people want to listen to this stuff North & Jesse will be putting out--and that, as they say, is a whole 'nother story.

Out of his ass, 80k for Jesse. PD's that work for Clear Channel dont get that and they're running 2 or 3 stations. Webby is what, 23, single, 40k would be great for him, but he's not making that.

If the internet does go to cars there will be better options than the guys on this webio site. Getting the internet in cars is years away. This site will fail by then. That's my main point. Nobody really has a desire to hear anybody in this line up compared to the options at the Score and ESPN.

Of course it's a guess. I said that. I just don't know why Webber and Rogers would quit a better salary for this bullshit. North really must have convinced them this will be huge.

Your reasoning doesnt make sense to me. When have you heard Mancini do a show, or Greenstein everyday to make such a statement Hood has a following & Chet love him or hate does as well. The salary thing is a tired arguement that has nothing to do with them being good or not.

TGreen has a good perspective on college sports which doesn't get much airtime on the Big 2 and from what I've heard of him, he's been decent.

Hood is always well-informed on a wide range of sports and a good listen.

So quit calling me a nobody.

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and you went to grade school with Chester

Jesse saw other longtime guys get the ax and thought he could be next. Webby will develop as a broadcaster much quicker being on the air each day. It's not all about money, I know Jesse has a family so it's more important to him but the days of making good money in the media are pretty much gone, unless you can make it on a national level.

The salary doesn't mean they are good or bad. I know. I'm just trying to figure this out. Like I said, it's clear why some are doing it: They have no other options; they're young and want to take a shot; they're gonna retire soon or they are wealthy and need to do something.

What do you think Jesse was making at the Score as baseball reporter and part time host? 50k? 60k? I just figure he wouldn't leave for something less. He has a wife and 3 kids. Don't you agree?

Please,re-read my last sentence. I'm thinking these will be broadcasts with a "national" view.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Right. Cuz Webber and Hood will have a national appeal. Please. People will give up ESPN radio for these guys? Nobody knows who Webber is in Chicago even. People are not going to give up ESPN radio and all of their resourses for a couple of guys doing a national web show in a Chicago suburb with no resourses. Look at all of the athletes ESPN radio gets. They have tons of reporters working all of their outlets that they can put on the radio as well. You think Hood and Webber are gonna get big time guests for a national audience? Are they gonna break stories from that Chicago suburb? How? They don't have the money to compete. That's nonsense.