My guess would be the Bears would have to give up at a minimum multiple picks including a 1 and maybe more than one 1 + Orton.

Frankly I find the situation confusing as hell. It's not exactly a secret who the top QBs are in the league, and those QBs don't just get floated in trade rumors because they guy has a system. There's no analogy I can make to this situation. That leads me to think that it's either all bullshit and it'll wash over, or there's something wrong with Cutler, or McDaniels is batshit crazy. But like Spaulding pointed out, Angelo made no secret that'd he'd go for a QB if there was one out there, and he's certainly not worried about losing the draft pick. Problem is, it might take you a #1 in 2010 as well. Would I do it? Yeah, I think I would.

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Yeah I forgot about that health risk. . .but isn't it worth the risk? The kid is good.

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Get him. Do whatever it takes. Just tell him to stay away from Derrick Rose's gummy bear stash.

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I want him. Do whatever it takes. Denver probably wants to keep him out of the AFC so they might take less from the Bears. I think you can get him for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd over the next 2 drafts.

We were 9-7 last year. With him we would have had 11 or 12 wins. Our defense is much better than the Broncos. That's the main reason the Broncos didn't make the playoffs.

Look at his stats. They're great. His picks are high but he throws a lot in Denver. He can be a mad gunsliger at times. So what? 25 TDs to 18 picks? I'll take that. He's only 25. He can still get better. His completion percentage is 63%. That's awesome. 4,500 yards last year. Bears have never had a QB throw for 4,000 yards.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111

Just to give you an idea, Orton threw 12 picks in 425 attempts last year. Cutler threw 18 picks in 616 attempts. That's a pretty good percentage. Better than Orton who is suppose to be the safe "game manager". He won't throw as much here cuz of Forte and our offensive style. Denver hasn't had a running game the past 2 years.

I'd take those two picks and make the same offer to the Cardinals for Boldin. See if one of the teams bites. Either way, you get yourself a star at a position of need who wants a new contract.

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And do you know what the Bears will actually do?

Nothing.

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On the "Dan Patrick Show" late last night, Sports Illustrated's Peter King said that Jay Cutler IS FINISHED in Denver. As for where #6 may end up if he gets dealt, it won't be here. Peter feels Cutler might be ideal within the Bears' division...in Detroit. I know Daunte Culpepper signed midway through last season, but he got injured, and two other QBs are no longer on the roster. Jon Kitna's now in Dallas, and Dan Orlovsky's now backing up Matt Schaub in Houston. It might be asking a bit much to start the rumored #1 pick, Georgia's Matthew Stafford, right away up there in Detroit...

Guys,

These are the BEARS we are talking about here. The same team that has traded down in many drafts to stockpile picks - great idea if they actually KNEW HOW TO PICK.

Angelo is a windsock - as soon as the off season ended, "Quarterback is our number 1 priority". Months later - "We are happy with Orton and there won't be a competition" - WHAT???

I'd love to see the Bears get Cutler - hell, even if his foot falls off, he would still be the best QB in camp. His risk is manageable with the right treatment and diet - albeit relying on the Bears to oversee this makes me nervous.

My guess - the Bears will make a half hearted effort to get Jeff Garcia - OOOOH, GOOD FOR YOU!

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Boldin is not worth as much a Cutler.

A Cutler deal makes me a little nervous. I think he is a bit of a nut and I'd hate for it to turn out like Rick Mirer .

These are Bears first round picks we're talking about giving up, not the first round picks of teams that know what they're doing in the first round.

The Bears have been one of the best drafting teams in the NFL under Angelo.

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Two things could hold this up.

1.) Teams with better picks are interested, i.e. Detroit.

2.) Denver wants a QB in return, and doesn't want Orton. I'm thinking Quinn in Cleveland or Leinart in Arizona.

Cutler isn't Mirer, because Mirer never did anything. Cutler's actually been a good QB. Now, maybe the health stuff is a real concern, but at least that's the only concern; if he's healthy, he's good. Plus, I don't think this came up because Cutler is injured/sick. It came up because McDaniels made some comments that offended Cutler, and now it's gone out of control. Maybe he's a headcase too, but I'd put up with that.

Is a young, good QB worth a 1st round pick? Absolutely. Is it worth two? Yeah, probably. Would Denver rather have two 1st round picks than a 1st round pick and, say, Matt Leinart? I don't know, but we may find out.

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I really hate the thought of EVER being optimistic when it comes to my teams, but aside from more attractive draft picks, I think the beloved have more to offer Denver just based on what said quarterback has proven in the NFL - I'll dare to say that Orton has a more reliable body of work. I agree with KD that, while Angelo has had some pretty good finds in the later rounds, I'm not overly impressed with his record in the first round and IMO neither should any Bears fan. These picks would be more wisely spent on a proven commodity rather than giving this management team more chances to fail in the first round...

Arizona makes no sense but for Detroit it would make total sense. Cutler showed he can play and no soon to be rookie has done that. Stafford or anyone else they would take would require more of a financial commitment than Cutler even after he would get a new contract. I believe they have his health issues under control too. Basically you get a proven player that can help alot more right away, and help get your fan base back, and it will cost you less money in the long run. If I was Detroit I would do this in a heartbeat, but if I was Denver I would tell them to pound sand.

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I'm more concerned about what Cutler can do in Chicago than what he has done in Denver. I don't want him to be Rick Mirer in the sense that the Bears give away high draft pick(s), with the I can change him attitude and he comes here and does nothing.

I know this isn't a newsflash, but Kurt Warner is old. People thought he was washed up 4 years ago. He was openly talking about retirement last year. And he takes a lot of shots. Matt Leinart is still a valuable commodity, but Cutler is a top-ten QB right now. If you're Arizona, you've move Leinart and the 31 pick to Denver for Cutler and figure out what you're going to do with your embarrassment of riches later.

If you're Detroit, and you have the offer of the #1 pick for Cutler, your options are either Cutler, Matt Stafford, or a player at some other position. I don't know how the Detroit front office feels about Stafford- I think he has bust written all over him, but I thought that about Matt Ryan too (and I still kinda think he might decline a bit). Drafting a killer OT or something of that nature is nice and certainly helpful, but QB is the most important position on the football field, and if you have the chance of drafting someone who's one of the top 10 QBs in the league next year and for maybe a decade thereafter, wouldn't you do that? Note that even with a new contract, the cap hit won't be that different from the cap hit if Matt Stafford was selected; they're going to get slammed either way.

I understand the health concerns, and I share them, but I don't think that's what's driving the trade discussions. If I thought this was Denver trying to palm off damaged goods, there's no way I'd say the #1 pick or even any first round pick was appropriate. More worrisome is that Cutler is a headcase, and this isn't the first evidence that this could be the case. Still, you don't reliably win in the NFL without a good QB. He is one.

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I understand the worry but I think the analogy is off. Rick Mirer sucked in Seattle, then sucked here. Cutler has already been good (for two years, in fact, so you know he isn't just an 8-week wonder), and he still hasn't entered his prime years. It wouldn't be a trade for the promise of a good QB in the same way that trading for someone like Leinart or Quinn or even Cassel would be. It would be a trade for a QB, present tense.

I'd love to give a better analogy, but frankly I can't think of one. Good, young QBs don't just become available. They just don't. Old guys at the end of the road get traded. Young guys that haven't lived up to potential get traded. Young guys with a few good games under their belt get traded. Young QBs that have already proven themselves just don't hit the trade market, ever. I guess the closest comparison I can make would be to Marshall Faulk in Indy, with the obvious difference that he was an RB and thus less valuable overall.

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He's not Rick Mier. That's already established. He's a top 10 QB in the NFL. He can get better.

You don't have to change him. I'll take what he did in Denver last year. I think Ron Turner is a good OC and I'd like to see him with a stud QB.

I don't think that Turner's a good OC at all. I do think, however, that Cutler could make him look a little better in that Turner can change-up the bland script of plays that he runs out there every Sunday. Theoretically, it would allow the offense the luxury of taking shots down the field a bit more so Forte doesn't take as much of a beating, and I certainly am all for that...

Turner had a pretty good year last year. Remember, this offense was supposed to be historically bad, and it was quite close to league average. He's found very inventive ways to use his two TEs on offense in such a way that causes match-up problems.

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IMHO, Turner could have used both tight ends ALOT more, including implementing more plays in double TE sets - We'll see if this evolves, but the situations that stick out in my mind when I am inclined to blast Turner are the seemingly countless times that he calls for a run on 3rd and 8 after having sent Forte right, Forte left on 1st and 2nd downs, respectively - he rarely, if ever, ventures far from the script, but like I said, maybe a different cast of characters will give him the proper "tools" to allow the offense to be more productive and consistent...

Breaking News
Denver plans to deal QB Cutler
The Broncos' owner says the team is shopping Jay Cutler after both sides couldn't end their feud. Robinson story

In a statement to Yahoo! Sports and several other media outlets, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said that the team came to the decision after both he and head coach Josh McDaniels tried unsuccessfully to reach Cutler.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

Ok Jerry Angelo. Go get him. I really think it's a huge advantage that the Bears are in the NFC. If offers are equal you know the Broncos would rather send him out of the AFC. They don't want Cutler to cost them playoffs spots for the next 10 years.

Sadly, I'll bet the McCaskey's are singing "No Cutlter, no pay". Cuz he's gonna want new money where ever he goes.

We've heard rumors that Jerry has been told he can't spend money this year.

The Broncos also could sign a QB and one of the options they may pursue is ironically Grossman which they would prefer and more draft picks than Orton. Not saying they would prefer Grossman over Orton but they may prefer signing Grossman or Garcia and getting more draft picks or another player in a trade.


Wouldn't it be ironic if Rex's biggest contribution to the Bears is signing with the Broncos to help facilitate a Cutler trade?

I agree the price is steep and the Bears need to rebuild. But the hardest thing to find is a QB. Orton will not be the QB when the Bears return to the super bowl.

25 year old QBs who have already shown as much as Cutler do not grow on trees.

If any fandom should know how hard it is to find a good QB it should be us Bears fans.

The only fans who know the game who would want the Bears to keep Orton over getting Cutler are fans of the Packers, Vikings and Lions.

The thing about the diabetes issue and how tough it can be to play with it.

Ron Santo was the only position player in baseball history to play more than a certain number of years full time with it. And that is a game that isn't as tough on the body.

The Bears better be making a huge push for this. I don't see how they will be able to outbid the Lions. Hopefully the Lions are sold on Stafford and will decide one player is not going to change their situation.

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