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I am not trying to burst your guy's bubble or anything but North is not going to jail, unless the SEC or FBI can prove that he either helped DH with coming up the 11 mil ponzi scheme, actively recruited investors for the scheme, or knew the money for Webio was coming from the ponzi scheme, which would be very hard to prove. Even by knowing Hernandez in 1996 and lying about not knowing him in interviews is not going to send him to jail. This may cost him his job, friends from CSW and his career but jail will not happen. Madoff's wife and kid's did work with him and took million's and millions from Madoff and they aren't in any trouble. I could be completely wrong and this is not defending North, just based off my knowledge of this sort of thing, nothing will happen as far as criminal charges go. Civil and class action lawsuits are another story.


i agree that jail will not happen, wiped out financially, blackballed from radio/tv in chicago, and driven out of town will suffice :lol:
oh and before i get all the "man, why all hatred" i would guess some people at the webio show wouldn't mind seeing what i described happen to nort

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I am not trying to burst your guy's bubble or anything but North is not going to jail, unless the SEC or FBI can prove that he either helped DH with coming up the 11 mil ponzi scheme, actively recruited investors for the scheme, or knew the money for Webio was coming from the ponzi scheme, which would be very hard to prove. Even by knowing Hernandez in 1996 and lying about not knowing him in interviews is not going to send him to jail. This may cost him his job, friends from CSW and his career but jail will not happen. Madoff's wife and kid's did work with him and took million's and millions from Madoff and they aren't in any trouble. I could be completely wrong and this is not defending North, just based off my knowledge of this sort of thing, nothing will happen as far as criminal charges go. Civil and class action lawsuits are another story.

BTW, they are now going after Bernie's kids.


I stand corrected about that...I did say in my post, I could be completely wrong, but I have knowledge of someone, who had someone running a ponzi scheme through his trading company, and it is normally very hard to prove anything against anyone except the main guys running it.


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I am not trying to burst your guy's bubble or anything but North is not going to jail, unless the SEC or FBI can prove that he either helped DH with coming up the 11 mil ponzi scheme, actively recruited investors for the scheme, or knew the money for Webio was coming from the ponzi scheme, which would be very hard to prove. Even by knowing Hernandez in 1996 and lying about not knowing him in interviews is not going to send him to jail. This may cost him his job, friends from CSW and his career but jail will not happen. Madoff's wife and kid's did work with him and took million's and millions from Madoff and they aren't in any trouble. I could be completely wrong and this is not defending North, just based off my knowledge of this sort of thing, nothing will happen as far as criminal charges go. Civil and class action lawsuits are another story.


Greg, I for one, never said he was going to jail. However, the whole story has not yet played out relative to Madoff's wife, brother, and sons. When that tale is done some of them will be behind bars. Consistent with that line of reasoning, this story is still unfolding, it too will play out and the chips will fall where they fall. North's complete stupidity and constant disdain for the truth coupled with the shit that has gone down in the past few days leads me to believe that anything is possible...anything.

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I'm actually looking forward to watching the local news tonight. I want to see if some reporters are actually investigating this thing. Yesterday we had the "Let's feel sorry for Chet and Pappy" reports. Maybe now they'll all start digging.


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someone needs to find that picture of north standing at an off ramp with a sign pretending to beg for money, poetic justice :lol:

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I am not trying to burst your guy's bubble or anything but North is not going to jail, unless the SEC or FBI can prove that he either helped DH with coming up the 11 mil ponzi scheme, actively recruited investors for the scheme, or knew the money for Webio was coming from the ponzi scheme, which would be very hard to prove. Even by knowing Hernandez in 1996 and lying about not knowing him in interviews is not going to send him to jail. This may cost him his job, friends from CSW and his career but jail will not happen. Madoff's wife and kid's did work with him and took million's and millions from Madoff and they aren't in any trouble. I could be completely wrong and this is not defending North, just based off my knowledge of this sort of thing, nothing will happen as far as criminal charges go. Civil and class action lawsuits are another story.


Greg B!!!! The guys who helped Bernie raise money are in HUGE trouble. They both claim they had ZERO Knowledge- I dont think it will be stretch to prove North introduced many people to DH. It is the EXACT same thing Madoffs 2 top (earners) investment advisors are under FBI charges for.

North should be able to get out of this, but it looks like in his past, he does not like to pay big money to attorneys. He is willing to pay some flat fees for work and let Bebe handle a lot of it, but this is much much different. Some of my best friends are white collar criminal attorneys and not one of them works for less than $300 an hour. If he is willing to pay for his defense, he will be fine, if he tries to get Fast Eddie out of retirement and create his legal team out of Spaceball, Bebe, Fast Eddie and a guy named Joe, he is going to risk it. How do you think Stallworth is in for 30 days?

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You know a lot of sports media people are feeding the TV and print guys some info off the reccord. Putting them on the track. I'm sure Shaer wasn't the only one that knew about Hernandez and his relationships.


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greg b wrote:
Civil and class action lawsuits are another story.


That's true. If they can't get the money back from Hernandez the lawyers will go after anybody they can. There were hundreds of people who got scammed in 11 states.


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pappy is making roland burris look truthful :lol:

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pappy is making roland burris look truthful :lol:


Yeah, he reminds me of Roland Burris-Blagojevich:

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greg b wrote:
I am not trying to burst your guy's bubble or anything but North is not going to jail, unless the SEC or FBI can prove that he either helped DH with coming up the 11 mil ponzi scheme, actively recruited investors for the scheme, or knew the money for Webio was coming from the ponzi scheme, which would be very hard to prove. Even by knowing Hernandez in 1996 and lying about not knowing him in interviews is not going to send him to jail. This may cost him his job, friends from CSW and his career but jail will not happen. Madoff's wife and kid's did work with him and took million's and millions from Madoff and they aren't in any trouble. I could be completely wrong and this is not defending North, just based off my knowledge of this sort of thing, nothing will happen as far as criminal charges go. Civil and class action lawsuits are another story.


Greg B!!!! The guys who helped Bernie raise money are in HUGE trouble. They both claim they had ZERO Knowledge- I dont think it will be stretch to prove North introduced many people to DH. It is the EXACT same thing Madoffs 2 top (earners) investment advisors are under FBI charges for.

North should be able to get out of this, but it looks like in his past, he does not like to pay big money to attorneys. He is willing to pay some flat fees for work and let Bebe handle a lot of it, but this is much much different. Some of my best friends are white collar criminal attorneys and not one of them works for less than $300 an hour. If he is willing to pay for his defense, he will be fine, if he tries to get Fast Eddie out of retirement and create his legal team out of Spaceball, Bebe, Fast Eddie and a guy named Joe, he is going to risk it. How do you think Stallworth is in for 30 days?


I know the guys, who helped raise money for Madoff are in trouble. I was pointing out that nothing had happened to his wife and kids yet, which I was informed they are now in trouble. I said in my first post, that I could be totally wrong, but I doubt North was hitting the pavement and getting investors for this Check and Go scheme DH had going. Based off my knowledge of someone who was scrutinized due to a business relation with some guy running a ponzi scheme, I was giving my 2 cents.


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Anybody else picturing dolphin throwing key parties?

If Shaer knew about this and didn't say anything to his friends then I think he is kind of a crappy friend. And I don't really understand what he has to gain coming forward now.


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If Shaer knew about this and didn't say anything to his friends then I think he is kind of a crappy friend. And I don't really understand what he has to gain coming forward now.


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One of the things that stood out to be from Shaer's article.

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Besides, Mr. Shaer said he had no reason to believe Mr. Hernandez wasn't running a legitimate business.

"He had deals with Comcast SportsNet, the White Sox, the Bears," Mr. Shaer said. "I didn't think they would get involved with the guy unless he had some sort of financial legitimacy."


I know North introduced Comcast, the White Sox and the Bears to DH but these are 3 big organizations, who should be ashamed along with North, for not doing their own background checks on DH. Why trust North when you are a these huge organizations? Comcast took DH's money for 3 months before CSW even started and didn't bother to check him out. Unreal how dumb people in charge of big corporations are.


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One of the things that stood out to be from Shaer's article.

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Besides, Mr. Shaer said he had no reason to believe Mr. Hernandez wasn't running a legitimate business.

"He had deals with Comcast SportsNet, the White Sox, the Bears," Mr. Shaer said. "I didn't think they would get involved with the guy unless he had some sort of financial legitimacy."


I know North introduced Comcast, the White Sox and the Bears to DH but these are 3 big organizations, who should be ashamed along with North, for not doing their own background checks on DH. Why trust North when you are a these huge organizations? Comcast took DH's money for 3 months before CSW even started and didn't bother to check him out. Unreal how dumb people in charge of big corporations are.


That's right. The FEDS might want that money back from Comcast. "I'ze can bring in da sponsors. Don't worry about dat."

The FEDS could ask Jerry Reinsdorf for that Billboard money back.


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greg b wrote:
One of the things that stood out to be from Shaer's article.

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Besides, Mr. Shaer said he had no reason to believe Mr. Hernandez wasn't running a legitimate business.

"He had deals with Comcast SportsNet, the White Sox, the Bears," Mr. Shaer said. "I didn't think they would get involved with the guy unless he had some sort of financial legitimacy."


I know North introduced Comcast, the White Sox and the Bears to DH but these are 3 big organizations, who should be ashamed along with North, for not doing their own background checks on DH. Why trust North when you are a these huge organizations? Comcast took DH's money for 3 months before CSW even started and didn't bother to check him out. Unreal how dumb people in charge of big corporations are.


Yes, and I will fully admit, as a Sox fan, I'm not thrilled with their ties, no matter how tenuous, to all this.


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Yeah it stands out because the article states "should I have said something?" and goes on to say he knew about the wire fraud. My ass he had no reason to think this was legit.


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Hey, Tommyboy, what da hell???!!! I thought you were my guy? You ratted me out to the odd-looking Sherman? You notice how Banker Dave went missing....well, just watch your back pal, I'll have Fritz do da same to U!

(Hey, by the way Tommyboy, do youz still have any of doz Hug A Black day shirts in your archives?)


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This thread has to go into the CSFMB hall of fame as this is all priceless !! I love the fact Mac, Shaer and others say "I consider Mike a friend and wish him no ill will...." Well "Who ya Crappin" should be a good one come Friday then.

Keep'em coming as I can't get enough of this !!


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Mr. Shaer met Mr. Hernandez through Mr. North. He recalled at a party at Mr. North's house in 1996...


Does Ed Sherman get paid by the "Mr."? His overuse of that is pretty fucking ridiculous.


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Does Ed Sherman get paid by the "Mr."? His overuse of that is pretty fucking ridiculous.


God, you are so right, Mr. Queasy.


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You gotta think Mr. Shaer went to Mr. Sherman with this story. Why would Mr. Sherman seek Mr. Shaer out?


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Banker Dave is sitting in some Motel 6 jerking off to all this attention he's getting on the message boards.

That's all he really wanted.... He's nothing more than a serial sportsradio fan.

He's Kathy Bates in Misery to North's Jimmy Caan.

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Tom Shaer wouldn't have said what he did unless he was willing to testify in open court against North. I doubt North will do any time either, but given the pace of this story, something could emerge tomorrow. Either North is a fool or a criminal. If he's complicit, it will be interesting to see if he has reconsidered his opinion on "rats."

Either way, even his peripheral involvement in this disaster—combined w/ his recent record of failure in the industry—will keep him off the airwaves for the foreseeable future. Maybe he, Coppock and Boom Boom can open a casino near the Hoover Dam.

And Sherman does overuse "Mr." Maybe he likes to pretend he writes for the New York Times.

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God, you are so right, Mr. Queasy.


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You gotta think Mr. Shaer went to Mr. Sherman with this story. Why would Mr. Sherman seek Mr. Shaer out?


Oooh...I'm gonna give you two such a pinch!


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That's all he really wanted.... He's nothing more than a serial sportsradio fan.


Well, now, wait a minute. I suspect a lot of us here might fit the definition of "serial sports radio fan," but most of us (I can't speak for all) haven't scammed retirees and cancer victims out of their life savings. (Not yet, anyway, but tomorrow is open on my calendar at last glance.)


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That's all he really wanted.... He's nothing more than a serial sportsradio fan.


Well, now, wait a minute. I suspect a lot of us here might fit the definition of "serial sports radio fan," but most of us (I can't speak for all) haven't scammed retirees and cancer victims out of their life savings. (Not yet, anyway, but tomorrow is open on my calendar at last glance.)


No. He's more than that. He was arrested 10 years ago. This current scam is 11 states deep. Webio was just one more operation to move money. He wanted to steal and be rich. That's not that hard to understand.


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Why is Mr. Sherman's mouth agape?

It is seriously odd how often he goes back to referencing, DIRECTLY, the person he is talking about (with no real need to). Even stranger how he uses Mr. all of the time. Hard to believe this joker gets paid to "write" as when I look at his blog it looks a nervous high schooler typed it up.


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Ed Sherman is now reporting that Mr. Hernanadez/ Banker Dave is using the Alias "Mr. Drysdale" or "Ron Mexico" during his stays in the Greater Downers Grove /El Sungundo area.


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