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North and others who worked for Webbio are bringing suit against Hernandez for not paying salaries and benefits - announced on Ch. 5 tonight


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So North and his webio boys think they are gonna get their bounced checks back? Do they think they are gonna get their 2-year contracts paid?

The investors will get whatever he has left. This is just a waste of money if they have to pay a lawyer for this. North can afford it (for now at least). How can all of the other guys afford to pay a lawyer? I don't think Ofman, Hood and Jesse can throw away money on a lawyer for money they can't get. Weber sure as hell can't.

Maybe this is one of those deals where the lawyer only gets paid if they win the suit. Somebody here would know better than me how this might work.


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Hope they didn't call an attorney advertising on WGN during Maury.


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Hope they didn't call an attorney advertising on WGN during Maury.


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So, investors are sueing North because he got some of their money as "ill-gotten gains," and North is now sueing Hernandez to get EVEN MORE of those ill-gotten gains? How much more weird is this story going to get?


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Maybe this is one of those deals where the lawyer only gets paid if they win the suit. Somebody here would know better than me how this might work.


Lawyers get paid in a civil suit whether you win or not.


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they know they wont get the bounced checks back, but hernandez can be held responsible to pay them what he owes them. since david will be in jail for the next decade, it would only come in the form of garnished wages, and even that is only maybe.

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Mr. Belvidere wrote:
Beardown wrote:

Maybe this is one of those deals where the lawyer only gets paid if they win the suit. Somebody here would know better than me how this might work.


Lawyers get paid in a civil suit whether you win or not.




You could not be more incorrect. Plaintiff's attorneys only get paid if they win/settle.

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shakes wrote:
Mr. Belvidere wrote:
Beardown wrote:

Maybe this is one of those deals where the lawyer only gets paid if they win the suit. Somebody here would know better than me how this might work.


Lawyers get paid in a civil suit whether you win or not.




You could not be more incorrect. Plaintiff's attorneys only get paid if they win/settle.


No sir you are mistaken. In an injury case, a lawyer will do it for free but the agreement is they will get paid usually a third of the plaintiffs amount if they win. Nothing if they lose. Usually they push for a settlement. Thats the scenario where an attorney only gets paid if they win.

A civil case requires the plaintiff to pay the lawyer when they agree to persue the suit. They will charge additional fees based on hours worked on the case. Usually when you hire an attorney, they will agree to a maximum amount theycharge. If you lose the case, the lawyer keeps his money you've already payed him. But if you win, you usually keep all of the $$$$ won. Its way harder to find an attorney in a civil suit because they dont make as much in the final outcome but it requires much more work.


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Is there any other logic behind this other than a bunch of boobs trying to collect on "contracts" handed out by the webio?

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Mr. Belvidere wrote:
No sir you are mistaken. In an injury case, a lawyer will do it for free but the agreement is they will get paid usually a third of the plaintiffs amount if they win. Nothing if they lose. Usually they push for a settlement. Thats the scenario where an attorney only gets paid if they win.

A civil case requires the plaintiff to pay the lawyer when they agree to persue the suit. They will charge additional fees based on hours worked on the case. Usually when you hire an attorney, they will agree to a maximum amount theycharge. If you lose the case, the lawyer keeps his money you've already payed him. But if you win, you usually keep all of the $$$$ won. Its way harder to find an attorney in a civil suit because they dont make as much in the final outcome but it requires much more work.



What the heck are you talking about? An injury case IS a civil case and vice versa. Plaintiff attorneys work on contingency basis on all civil cases. Your whole second paragraph makes no sense.

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No sir you are mistaken. In an injury case, a lawyer will do it for free but the agreement is they will get paid usually a third of the plaintiffs amount if they win. Nothing if they lose. Usually they push for a settlement. Thats the scenario where an attorney only gets paid if they win.

A civil case requires the plaintiff to pay the lawyer when they agree to persue the suit. They will charge additional fees based on hours worked on the case. Usually when you hire an attorney, they will agree to a maximum amount theycharge. If you lose the case, the lawyer keeps his money you've already payed him. But if you win, you usually keep all of the $$$$ won. Its way harder to find an attorney in a civil suit because they dont make as much in the final outcome but it requires much more work.



What the heck are you talking about? An injury case IS a civil case and vice versa. Plaintiff attorneys work on contingency basis on all civil cases. Your whole second paragraph makes no sense.


If I hire a contractor to work on my house and he fails to fulfill his contract, I have the option of suing him in a civil court to enforce the contract, or to recover damages for a lack of performance. This is a civil suit where a lawyer will charge a fee, or by the hour no matter if they win or not.

I thought that you were a lawyer shakes?

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No sir you are mistaken. In an injury case, a lawyer will do it for free but the agreement is they will get paid usually a third of the plaintiffs amount if they win. Nothing if they lose. Usually they push for a settlement. Thats the scenario where an attorney only gets paid if they win.

A civil case requires the plaintiff to pay the lawyer when they agree to persue the suit. They will charge additional fees based on hours worked on the case. Usually when you hire an attorney, they will agree to a maximum amount theycharge. If you lose the case, the lawyer keeps his money you've already payed him. But if you win, you usually keep all of the $$$$ won. Its way harder to find an attorney in a civil suit because they dont make as much in the final outcome but it requires much more work.



What the heck are you talking about? An injury case IS a civil case and vice versa. Plaintiff attorneys work on contingency basis on all civil cases. Your whole second paragraph makes no sense.


If I hire a contractor to work on my house and he fails to fulfill his contract, I have the option of suing him in a civil court to enforce the contract, or to recover damages for a lack of performance. This is a civil suit where a lawyer will charge a fee, or by the hour no matter if they win or not.

I thought that you were a lawyer shakes?


Exactly!

I fall and hurt my back at Sears ans sue, my attorney will take the case and get a third if we win or nothing if we dont.

I sue the Police Dept for wrongful arrest, I pay a lawyer a lot up front and I get billed more as it goes on. Thats all.

North will pay a lot to get nothing and it wont be worth it. He probably wouldnt win anyway.


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MY wife won an injury settlement abput fifteen years ago and my lawyer got 1/3 of the money. Nothing if we would have lost.

A couple of years ago, I was going to sue my local government for damages to my home because of a faulty sewer line that backed up into my house. It was nearly impossible to find an attorney that wopuld take the case. I finally found one out of Aurora. He wanted $5,000 up front and he said he would bill as he worked on the case. We agreed to a $12,000 max. I would have been out $12,000 if I had lost that case. I was suing for over $100,000. I didnt like the lawyer so I didnt sue.


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Mr. Belvidere wrote:
Lawyers get paid in a civil suit whether you win or not.

You could not be more incorrect. Plaintiff's attorneys only get paid if they win/settle.

You are both wrong and right at the same time.
Like any other negotiable trade, a grimgibber can sell their services however they would like.

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A couple of years ago, I was going to sue my local government for damages to my home because of a faulty sewer line that backed up into my house.
Was this in the western Joliet/Plainfield area by any chance? I read about a guy with this kind of problem who eventually ended up putting his house up for sale.

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Maybe their is a legal reason why I would be advised not to do this, but if I lured my friends to leave their jobs and the business fell apart because I failed to do my homework on my investor, I would dig deep into my pockets to help these guys. I am not talking about 1 paycheck, I am talking about 2 months of pay just to keep them above water because no matter what the legal process determines, we all know who fucked who here.

I would even be willing to ask North or Bebe why they didn't research this guy , but the truth of being lazy and greedy would not be an answer I would get. However, it would sure be great to see someone who's job it is to ask such questions do so, and contiue to ask the question with he provides an answer that has nothing to do with the question.

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This was a mess from the start. Everybody should have made the same amount of money (say 35,000) & the rest would be based on commision of getting advertisers.
In the end, DH was scum. He should have lined up a Rich Melman instead.

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This was a mess from the start. Everybody should have made the same amount of money (say 35,000) & the rest would be based on commision of getting advertisers.
In the end, DH was scum. He should have lined up a Rich Melman instead.



Wait a second here...North should have taken the pay cut from WSCR.
He'd still be on the radio and the only guy out of a job would have been Fred.
North was going to stick it to WSCR.....OOOOPS!

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I thought that you were a lawyer shakes?




I never said I was good at it.

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Or as the Good Kid once said, "Dig Ditchers."

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I bet North is a fine Dig Ditcher!
And Bebe would get a Press Release out for it.
Jen would be there moving the dirt.
Ed Sherman would ask Mike how he became a Dig Ditcher.
Some radio executive would be outside the hole talking to Mike about how this could be a show.
The little guys would sponsor it.
Anyone that stopped by would get a clump of dirt, a caucasion man CD, one of Mikes book, a Streetwise shirt.

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From Crain's online:


North, other ex-employees sue Webio founder Hernandez
By: Ann Saphir Aug. 11, 2009

(Crain’s) — Chicago sports talk personality Mike North is leading a group of former employees of the now-defunct ChicagoSportsWebio.com in suing the Internet-based radio station founder David Hernandez for allegedly failing to pay wages.

Mr. Hernandez, who co-founded Webio with Mr. North in January, last month pleaded not guilty to federal mail fraud charges in a Ponzi scheme that allegedly bilked nearly 300 investors out of $3.5 million. Mr. Hernandez is also the target of a civil lawsuit by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which alleges he illegally used investors’ money to fund payroll and pay other bills at the radio startup.

In an Aug. 5 lawsuit filed in Cook County Circuit Court in Chicago, Mr. North and 12 other former Webio employees (including Mr. North’s wife Beatrice) say Mr. Hernandez failed to pay all wages due, in some cases issuing checks returned by the bank for “insufficient funds.”

Eight of the plaintiffs demanded damages of more than $50,000, and all demand an unspecified amount of wages due.

Several of the plaintiffs, not including the Norths, also alleged breach of contract for terminating their employment without notice. Joining the former employees is Licorice Ltd., which says it owns the domain name for the ChicagoSportsWebio.com site; it is asking the court to block Mr. Hernandez from using the site in the future.

Mr. North was a “partner, executive vice-president and on-air host” of the radio venture, and his compensation included an annual salary of $250,000 and 30% ownership of the radio venture, according to an employment offer letter attached to the complaint. His wife, known as Be-Be, was chief operating officer. Both were fired on June 12, according to the lawsuit.

The Web site went off air a few days later after the FBI’s and SEC’s investigations of Mr. Hernandez became public.

Mr. North and his wife, along with Mr. Hernandez, are targets of a civil suit by two investors in Mr. Hernandez’s scheme. Filed in federal court in Chicago on July 26, the lawsuit alleges that money paid to Webio employees was stolen from investors, and demands its return.


THis is the key part that these guys will be fighting:

"Mr. North and his wife, along with Mr. Hernandez, are targets of a civil suit by two investors in Mr. Hernandez’s scheme. Filed in federal court in Chicago on July 26, the lawsuit alleges that money paid to Webio employees was stolen from investors, and demands its return. "

The court, under the doctrine of fraudulent conveyance, will likely have to get the cash back from employees that was paid to them during the 90-180 days prior to Webio's demise. This suit is a defensive one and unlikely to prevent these guys from taking more pain.


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So North was only making 250K but walked away from a Score salary which I believe was a couple hundred thousand more than that?

Is that correct?

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He supposedly walked away from $800,000 because it was insulting.

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North, other ex-employees sue Webio founder Hernandez
By: Ann Saphir Aug. 11, 2009

(Crain’s) — Chicago sports talk personality Mike North is leading a group of former employees of the now-defunct ChicagoSportsWebio.com in suing the Internet-based radio station founder David Hernandez for allegedly failing to pay wages.

Mr. Hernandez, who co-founded Webio with Mr. North in January, last month pleaded not guilty to federal mail fraud charges in a Ponzi scheme that allegedly bilked nearly 300 investors out of $3.5 million. Mr. Hernandez is also the target of a civil lawsuit by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which alleges he illegally used investors’ money to fund payroll and pay other bills at the radio startup.

In an Aug. 5 lawsuit filed in Cook County Circuit Court in Chicago, Mr. North and 12 other former Webio employees (including Mr. North’s wife Beatrice) say Mr. Hernandez failed to pay all wages due, in some cases issuing checks returned by the bank for “insufficient funds.”

Eight of the plaintiffs demanded damages of more than $50,000, and all demand an unspecified amount of wages due.

Several of the plaintiffs, not including the Norths, also alleged breach of contract for terminating their employment without notice. Joining the former employees is Licorice Ltd., which says it owns the domain name for the ChicagoSportsWebio.com site; it is asking the court to block Mr. Hernandez from using the site in the future.

Mr. North was a “partner, executive vice-president and on-air host” of the radio venture, and his compensation included an annual salary of $250,000 and 30% ownership of the radio venture, according to an employment offer letter attached to the complaint. His wife, known as Be-Be, was chief operating officer. Both were fired on June 12, according to the lawsuit.

The Web site went off air a few days later after the FBI’s and SEC’s investigations of Mr. Hernandez became public.

Mr. North and his wife, along with Mr. Hernandez, are targets of a civil suit by two investors in Mr. Hernandez’s scheme. Filed in federal court in Chicago on July 26, the lawsuit alleges that money paid to Webio employees was stolen from investors, and demands its return.


THis is the key part that these guys will be fighting:

"Mr. North and his wife, along with Mr. Hernandez, are targets of a civil suit by two investors in Mr. Hernandez’s scheme. Filed in federal court in Chicago on July 26, the lawsuit alleges that money paid to Webio employees was stolen from investors, and demands its return. "

The court, under the doctrine of fraudulent conveyance, will likely have to get the cash back from employees that was paid to them during the 90-180 days prior to Webio's demise. This suit is a defensive one and unlikely to prevent these guys from taking more pain.


sorry mikey, but you are on the hook to give all or most of of your salary for webio back. the fucking nerve of this clown and his attorney to demand that they get paid from hernandez, when they fully know that the money is stolen. i hope the investor lawsuits wipe out nort's nestegg. he should be thankful that he is not being hit with criminal charges, instead he thinks he deserves his $250k. hey mikey, go home and get yer shinebox. i hear u can get $10/shine downtown. it would be the first honest $$ you have made in quite a while.

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Hey Magnus, that's why I think that Mike North is a tru American Hero. Look, hes standing up for his guys all the way. I'm amazed at what a wonderful, sensitive hero Mike North is. And... he knows how to get stuff done.
Yeah, he took less than his offer from the Score but that's so that he could bring in his guys and tehy'd be able to get paid well, and he sacrificed hisself for those guys who worked for him. And he's continuing to go out there for his guys.
Tomorrow Monsters has got Clyde Drexler! I bet he was an all star!

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