With the addition of Rios, Dye and/or Thome are expendable. Dye should be bought out, and offered a lower $ deal to come back as the primiary DH/part time RF. As Chus correctly points out, the Sox were just a couple of games back at the trading deadline, and were buyers, not sellers-- and rightly so. Thome may not have waived his no trade clause back then, IrishCubBoy.

I think most Sox fans saw this division as winnable, and the Sox fairly mediocre, certainly no better than 88 or 89 wins. I don't think anybody could have forseen what a horrendous August they would have. Anybody (Sox or Cubs fan) that claims otherwise is foolishly trying to punk us ESteve style.

Thome and Contreras were going to walk away at the end of the year anyway, so getting something for them is better than nothing.

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I'm not sure....anyone could have looked at this current road trip and reasonably estimated that they wouldn't fare so well

What a ridiculously funny quote.

Aggravated Sox Fan Bob already responded appropriately to this.

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I'm just messing with you, man. You must have missed my earlier post.

With rosters expanding today, there is no problem having enough room on their bench for another bat off the bench, that can really make a difference. The guy may not play much, if at all, in the field. But a guy who can pinch hit and hit a 3 run bomb is still valuable. It's good for the Sox, in that it will end any speculation concerning whether or not the Sox will bring him back. He did a very good job for the Sox (when healthy), but it was time to part ways.

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I know. I figured something was up and then I saw it.

Oh wait...I mean I was "punking you".

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Disagree - I don't think it was realistic to hope that Williams would start unloading players at the end of July. A month ago, the White Sox were 2-3 games out of 1st place, and had just acquired Jake Peavy. I'm not suggesting that this team was necessarily going anywhere, in fact, I've said several times that it probably wasn't with that 2nd half schedule. They have already allocated their salaries (Contreras/Thome) into Peavy/Rios so I'm pleased with that outcome, even if I'm not a big Rios fan.

My understanding is that he's not going to play 1B, and Thome told the Dodgers that he wasn't going to be able to play 1B unless it was an emergency.

The Dodgers say that they acquired Thome for his locker-room leadership, and an extra bat off the bench. If they do play in the World Series, they may have a DH as well now.

I'm not sure of their roster makeup, but I can't see how this could hurt the Dodgers - they gave up nothing for him, and he's probably a better pinch-hitter from the left side than what they had (although I haven't done the research).

A question for those of you hammering Kenny. How many teams do you think were banging on his door in July looking for Contreras, Dye, and Thome ?

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The White Sox do not have a history of trading players away and still paying chunks of salary, so I would be surprised if they are paying the full $2 million remaining. My guess would be that this, at best, being paid equally by both teams, so the Sox can save a million or so.

I agree this trade (or a trade) should have been made a month ago. Since the acquisition of Rios the Sox have averaged 3.7 runs per game. The idea of 'resting' guys didn't work. Sure they need an occaisional day off but sitting Thome, Dye, Rios and Quentin (Ozzie never sat the Panzy) once every 2-3 days hurt them more than it helped. They should have made a trade or Ozzie needed to go with a set everyday lineup. I wish Thome nothing but the best and hope he makes it back to the WS.

Good call on the salary BD....If we do trim $1 - $1.2MM, then how can this not be viewed as a good thing. I hope we aren't paying anymore than that tho. I didn't see anyone else asking about him..

The White Sox paid part of Thome's remaining $2.4 million salary, sources said, and the Diamondbacks agreed to pay Garland's remaining $1.1 million salary plus his buyout, according to reports out of Arizona.

(Garland's buyout will be $2.5 million if the Dodgers decline his $10 million mutual option for next season, $1 million if he declines it.)

Thome. Waived his no-trade clause with the goal of finally becoming a World Series champion. Thome, 39, appeared in the 1995 and '97 Series with the Indians, but the team lost both.

Thome is 36 home runs short of 600 and wants to play again next season. A strong performance for a high-profile team certainly would not hurt his quest to land another DH job.

In 98 career plate appearances as a pinch-hitter, Thome has batted .215 with a .366 on-base percentage and .415 slugging percentage.

Contreras had a 7.66 ERA in six August starts. Yet, with righty Aaron Cook on the DL, the Rockies still consider him an upgrade over righty Josh Fogg.

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Timmy Kirkshin on ESPN said that the Dodgers may have picked him up just so teh Giants didn't get him.

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Tim Kirkshin is an idiot. The Dodgers have a better record than the Giants which means the Giants would have had the first opportunity to claim him. I guess the Dodgers claimed him in case he came around again and the Giants changed their minds.

For as much as you guys give Steve shit, he's dead on here. I think Thome is a better bat on the bench for the Dodgers than Ronnie Belliard or Juan Castro. Plus, you might be able to sneak one day a week in the field to give Loney a break.

Isn't the main reason teams pay salary remainders in deals like this, because they want a better player in return? That being the case, does this kid they got back have any talent or anything? This was a class move and a smart move for KW. He gives a good guy a chance at a WS for "free" from Thome's perspective, which is why he waived the no-trade. A couple months in LA and a chance to win a title, good for him. Maybe I'll try to cheer on the Dodgers at the end of the year since the Sox chances are slim to none now. I wish Jim the best, I have some great memories of his time here, especially the start of the 2006 season where he hit an insane streak of home runs, and long ones. Good luck Dodgers and nice job KW.

Unless there's another Justin Fuller currently playing in the Dodgers minor league farm system, I'd have to say the guy is worthless.
Drafted in the 11th round of the '06 draft; currently in his 4th season of professional baseball (25 years old), he hasn't played anything higher than advanced "A" ball. The reason? He sucks; career .242 hitter with no power, no speed, and apparently doesn't bring his glove on the field with him since he has 52 errors over the course of his 239 games which he's split mainly between 2nd base and shortstop, but has also played some 3rd as well (very poorly though, 20 errors in 139 chances).
But he's from Alaska....so he's got that going for him.

The player traded to the Sox could probably be characterized as a 'bag of balls'. When you hear 26 year old, single A ball player in the same description, it's not a good thing.

Another reason the Dodgers acquired him was to DH in away games in the WS, should they qualify.

There you have it.
Good for Thome....he has one last shot at a World Series.
If he wants to continue playing next season, there is always Billy Beane and Oakland to let him DH.

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What exactly do you think you are getting for a 39 year old DH?

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This "contender" stuff is ridiculous...LAST IN DEFENSE...9th in batting 2 weeks ago...contend for what...THE BULLSHIT A.L. Central?
This horseshit Division will not have a WINNER....only a lame team that lost the least games.
Kenny has assembled a boatload of players who just can't seem to play the game in all facets....He has a starting rotation for 2010...and Beckham.....everyone else is one big mystery.

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I'm just sayin what he said last night on the late Baseball Tonight.

Take it easy.

Quite a luxury to get a DH for the World Series, but I would of thought that that would have been a way to get Juan Pierre into the lineup

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Honestly, I expected PTBNL or a 24 y/o AA player that might make the league some day was more what I expected.

I don't care how many games back they were in July. It was obvious this was a mediocre team then. I don't think that the no-trade clause would have been that hard to overcome, and unless I see a quote saying something like "yeah, I wasn't ready to be traded until now", I just don't buy that he couldn't have done it. And he would have gotten more in return for two months of Thome than one.

Also: I said the Cubs should have done the same thing back in July. I didn't think they were really "in it", regardless of the standings. If you thought this team was anything more than decent, you were deluding yourself as well.

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Forget July. They were only two games back TWO WEEKS ago.

Your'e saying Chiacago wouldn't have cried bloody white flag murder if he had put Thome, Dye and Contreras on the block after Contreras threw a three hitter in Kansas City and they were two games out?

I don't care. It's your job as GM to do the right thing and ignore the unwashed masses. It's not a defense to doing the wrong thing that it would have been unpopular.

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Let's just agree that you're wrong.

OK. Keeping a potentially valuable piece in pursuit of the elusive AL Central crown was clearly a dominant strategy to getting something potentially decent in return for the years when you actually expect to be good, rather than merely not bad. How could I have missed that?

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