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I know it is hard for some here to believe but it is only 1 game. Every now and then you will have games like this. It doesn't mean the season is over. RELAX!


It's only one game, but it pretty definitively answers that this team isn't a serious contender. They're not out of the playoff hunt, but 8-8 or so is about right.

I'm still waiting for all the apologies to Urlacher and Harris. All those rushing yards Cedric Benson got? Yeah, guess what.


If Urlacher plays today the Bears still get killed. As for Tommie Harris, he sucks & is finished. Angelo says that Tommie is healthy...then he doesnt play. WTF?

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I know it is hard for some here to believe but it is only 1 game. Every now and then you will have games like this. It doesn't mean the season is over. RELAX!

This is not the first time that a Lovie Smith team seemed to show up uprepared for a game. This is 2 weeks in a row that the Bears were outcoahced. Today they were terribly outplayed and outclassed.

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I know it is hard for some here to believe but it is only 1 game. Every now and then you will have games like this. It doesn't mean the season is over. RELAX!


you're crazy. this is one of the games you point to as a turning point. Like the arizona game from 06. They are assholes and they don't know their elbows from their assholes.


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Would the Bears have been competetive with the Bengals today if Urlacher had played? Would he have made enough of a difference to keep us in the game?
The Bears gave BU huge money when everyone knew that he was on the downside of his career. Would I rather have him than not have him...sure.
I feel bad for Cutler because if the Bears clean house & dont bring in a tier 1 head coach & GM, the Bears could be bad for a while.
Give Bill Cowher $5 Million a year & complete control of the team.

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I know it is hard for some here to believe but it is only 1 game. Every now and then you will have games like this. It doesn't mean the season is over. RELAX!


you're crazy. this is one of the games you point to as a turning point. Like the arizona game from 06. They are assholes and they don't know their elbows from their assholes.

The Bears pounded the living shit out of the team they faced after the Arizona game. And they made the Super Bowl.

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so you agree with me? what are you saying? I'm tipsy and easily confused.


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so you agree with me? what are you saying? I'm tipsy and easily confused.

I'm saying that you can paint pictures about turning points and whatnot, but the memory usually plays tricks.

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you're crazy. this is one of the games you point to as a turning point. Like the arizona game from 06. They are assholes and they don't know their elbows from their assholes.


I'm saying the '06 Arizona game wasn't a turning point for anything. The week before that game, the Bears pounded whoever they faced (Buffalo, maybe?) and the week after they did the same. So how can you point to that game as a turning point?

Likewise, no one has any idea what's going to happen next week -- actually, I have a pretty good idea, and it's going to involve Derek Anderson's skull getting caved in. We have no idea whether it'll be a turning point or anything like that, and besides, the games people mention as turning points usually aren't when you take another look at them, anyway.

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ib you're missing her. She meant it was a turning point in a good way

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so you agree with me? what are you saying? I'm tipsy and easily confused.

I'm saying that you can paint pictures about turning points and whatnot, but the memory usually plays tricks.


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Do you think this Bears team is in good shape from a coaching, managerial & leadership standpoint?
Should Lovie be given a contract extension to continue as the leader of this team?
Or is it time the Bears bring in a top tier head coach & GM?
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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 6/16
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There are different kinds of losses.
There are losses where you just come up short due to a split-second miscalculation. These types of losses are absorbed and teams learn from this and move on and up.
Today's loss was due to a team being completely lost with no leadership and completely beaten in every fucking facet of the motherfucking game. This team will not know where to start learning from this ass-raping. I don't know if Lovie is the guy to do this.

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and it's going to involve Derek Anderson's skull getting caved in.

I sure hope you are right. Because that front 4 hasn't be able to do a goddam thing to an opposing QB unless somebody blitzes. Brown and Adewele have had thier moments, but have become increasingly quiet.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 6/16
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ib you're missing her. She meant it was a turning point in a good way

I can't even begin to understand how that can be true. I mean, the Bears were generally worse after that game than before it. They were like the 2007 Patriots before that game, and the game after it. Then there was the Miami game they lost, and then they were just your run-of-the-mill very, very good football team. But I can't see the Arizona game as being the one where they pulled it all together. Maybe you can say the Cleveland game in 2001 was one of those games, but I don't buy into that either.

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Do you think this Bears team is in good shape from a coaching, managerial & leadership standpoint?
Should Lovie be given a contract extension to continue as the leader of this team?
Or is it time the Bears bring in a top tier head coach & GM?
I'll hang up & listen for my answer.

You don't have the damndest idea who you'd want to bring in as your next head coach besides Cowher, and when he says no, then what? And Cowher had a lot of bad seasons as well, which seems to allude everyone's memory (actually, at least superficially, aren't Smith's and Cowher's performace- early success, followed by a few years of down performance and hopefully ended by the procurement of a real NFL QB- eerily similar at this point in their careers?) Or, you'd rather have Shanahan, who hasn't made the Super Bowl since John Elway. Or Gruden, who had a much worse record than Smith since Smith was hired.

I think the real answer is you don't know who to blame, so "everyone" is the correct answer. I think Smith is about a league-average NFL coach; maybe a bit better. So are most coaches, obviously. If you think there is some miraculous world of possibilities that would be open to this team if only John Gruden was scowling at people more on the sidelines, then I'm afraid we'll have to merely agree that you're wrong.

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I know it is hard for some here to believe but it is only 1 game. Every now and then you will have games like this. It doesn't mean the season is over. RELAX!

This is not the first time that a Lovie Smith team seemed to show up uprepared for a game. This is 2 weeks in a row that the Bears were outcoahced. Today they were terribly outplayed and outclassed.


The Bears were not outcoached last week. They outplayed the Falcons most of the game but made too many big mistakes. That has absolutely nothing to do with coaching.


Mistakes have everything to do with coaching.

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ib you're missing her. She meant it was a turning point in a good way

I can't even begin to understand how that can be true. I mean, the Bears were generally worse after that game than before it. They were like the 2007 Patriots before that game, and the game after it. Then there was the Miami game they lost, and then they were just your run-of-the-mill very, very good football team. But I can't see the Arizona game as being the one where they pulled it all together. Maybe you can say the Cleveland game in 2001 was one of those games, but I don't buy into that either.

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Should Lovie be given a contract extension to continue as the leader of this team?
Or is it time the Bears bring in a top tier head coach & GM?
I'll hang up & listen for my answer.

You don't have the damndest idea who you'd want to bring in as your next head coach besides Cowher, and when he says no, then what? And Cowher had a lot of bad seasons as well, which seems to allude everyone's memory (actually, at least superficially, aren't Smith's and Cowher's performace- early success, followed by a few years of down performance and hopefully ended by the procurement of a real NFL QB- eerily similar at this point in their careers?) Or, you'd rather have Shanahan, who hasn't made the Super Bowl since John Elway. Or Gruden, who had a much worse record than Smith since Smith was hired.

I think the real answer is you don't know who to blame, so "everyone" is the correct answer. I think Smith is about a league-average NFL coach; maybe a bit better. So are most coaches, obviously. If you think there is some miraculous world of possibilities that would be open to this team if only John Gruden was scowling at people more on the sidelines, then I'm afraid we'll have to merely agree that you're wrong.



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Kujoe - fuck off. You always have some negative shit to post about the Bears.



hey jerk off - love the bears but reality is the d line & o line blow, the lb crew is on ir, we cant run for shit, olsen is over rated,and all we have is jay and 2 wr's who should be a kickoff-punt return spealist. as B & B say we are in football hell stuck in the middel of nfl bs

Man, you were really all over it. After this game, all of what you say here looks to be pretty indisputable.

And for the second week in a row, I'll ask: are we watching the worst O-line ever to play in the NFL? I think the question is legitimate. I certainly don't remember seeing a line more helpless in both run and pass blocking. I really thought they'd be improved this year -at least somewhat. Boy was I wrong. The O-line went from bad to terrible. The D-line remains pretty much what it was last year: incapable of getting pressure from the guys inside. Not good for this defensive scheme (or any, really, but especially this one).

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Someone needs to remind Ron Turner that Orton isn't the Bears QB anymore. Why the hell dont we throw the ball downfield instead of dinking & dunking?

No time. It's hard to even know how good or bad the coaching staff is, because having an O-line that bad just flat out limits what you can do. No play works when the O-line doesn't block, and plays that take a long time to develop can't even be run at all.

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many people regard the packers line as the worst in the league. They played better today but it was cleveland and half their team had the flu

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I went out to watch that bullshit?!? The Bears fuckin blow! They have a QB, a linebacker and 20 jokers. Thank God there was a hot waitress to stare at.


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ib you're missing her. She meant it was a turning point in a good way

I can't even begin to understand how that can be true. I mean, the Bears were generally worse after that game than before it. They were like the 2007 Patriots before that game, and the game after it. Then there was the Miami game they lost, and then they were just your run-of-the-mill very, very good football team. But I can't see the Arizona game as being the one where they pulled it all together. Maybe you can say the Cleveland game in 2001 was one of those games, but I don't buy into that either.

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Do you think this Bears team is in good shape from a coaching, managerial & leadership standpoint?
Should Lovie be given a contract extension to continue as the leader of this team?
Or is it time the Bears bring in a top tier head coach & GM?
I'll hang up & listen for my answer.

You don't have the damndest idea who you'd want to bring in as your next head coach besides Cowher, and when he says no, then what? And Cowher had a lot of bad seasons as well, which seems to allude everyone's memory (actually, at least superficially, aren't Smith's and Cowher's performace- early success, followed by a few years of down performance and hopefully ended by the procurement of a real NFL QB- eerily similar at this point in their careers?) Or, you'd rather have Shanahan, who hasn't made the Super Bowl since John Elway. Or Gruden, who had a much worse record than Smith since Smith was hired.

I think the real answer is you don't know who to blame, so "everyone" is the correct answer. I think Smith is about a league-average NFL coach; maybe a bit better. So are most coaches, obviously. If you think there is some miraculous world of possibilities that would be open to this team if only John Gruden was scowling at people more on the sidelines, then I'm afraid we'll have to merely agree that you're wrong.


All the scowling, piss & vinegar, & fire & passion in the world doesn't mean anything if the head coach is a bad coach. Say what you will about fire in the belly coaches -vs- passive coaches, but each of us at some time in our careers has worked for someone who was able to get more out of people than most. Some peoplpe are natural born leaders. They have personality, natural communication skills, natural leadership skills & have that "it" factor...a certain charisma that breeds success in others. Lovie doesn't posses any of these qualities. The Bears do not hire coaches that are charismatic & have the "it" factor. Jauron & Smith were both the second choice as head coach for the Bears. They both had one good season & the Bears gave them both a contract extension for big money. They would be better off bringing in a proven winner & paying them up front rather than hiring guys who are first time head coaches who end up getting huge money when they have one decent season.
In every business, success has everything to do with good Management. Management is 100% responsible for the success or failure of a business. Phillips, Angelo & Smith are questionable Managers to say the least.

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many people regard the packers line as the worst in the league. They played better today but it was cleveland and half their team had the flu

You wanna trade straight up?

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The worst indictment on this coaching staff is that Omayele was out there getting pushed around again. That said, there's one possible apology for it: they intend to run Kruetz's now-worthless ass out of town next year, and they're grooming Beakman for the job. Ok, I guess: but they better be looking for another left guard.

Edit: and how about Williams with the false-start on the first fucking snap. Unbelievable.

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I know it is hard for some here to believe but it is only 1 game. Every now and then you will have games like this. It doesn't mean the season is over. RELAX!


every now and then you have games where you're beaten by 35 points? yeah, if you're the st. louis rams...


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Kujoe - fuck off. You always have some negative shit to post about the Bears.



hey jerk off - love the bears but reality is the d line & o line blow, the lb crew is on ir, we cant run for shit, olsen is over rated,and all we have is jay and 2 wr's who should be a kickoff-punt return spealist. as B & B say we are in football hell stuck in the middel of nfl bs

Man, you were really all over it. After this game, all of what you say here looks to be pretty indisputable.

And for the second week in a row, I'll ask: are we watching the worst O-line ever to play in the NFL? I think the question is legitimate. I certainly don't remember seeing a line more helpless in both run and pass blocking. I really thought they'd be improved this year -at least somewhat. Boy was I wrong. The O-line went from bad to terrible. The D-line remains pretty much what it was last year: incapable of getting pressure from the guys inside. Not good for this defensive scheme (or any, really, but especially this one).



unforutally i was right huh jack..... :drunken: :drunken: :wink:

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The only thing that was good about today's debacle in Cincinnati was the sighting of Laura Okmin on the sidelines. Other than that, the Bears were embarrassed in every area. The running game was non-existent, Jay Cutler threw 3 picks and also got beat up to a point where Caleb Hanie came into the game and could've been playing a lot earlier, and the defense allowed an injured Carson Palmer and the bruised ego of Cedric "f-----'" Benson to rack up about 187 yards on the ground this afternoon! :oops: :x Lovie Smith ought to be embarrassed! The Bears weren't ready to play! If the Kevin James-looking Eric Mangini and the bumbling Browns beat the Bears next Sunday at Soldier Field, I think it might be time to put Lovie on "Firing Watch". This can't happen again!


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Believe it or not even good teams have stinkers. I doubt anyone here would say the Giants suck and they just had one too. When they happen frequently you have a problem.


the giants downed too many bug juices the night before.

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