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John Gruden if he shows half the passion he shows in the booth on mnf is more than lovie has shown as the bears head coach. I want him as the next bears head football coach.

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Yes. You know what I want in a head coach? Passion. Lots and lots of fucking passion. I want so much passion on the sidelines that blood is coming out of his pores. I want my coach kicking things, throwing punches at people, yelling at refs, telling his players how much they suck. I don't care about "results" or "win/loss records". I care about passion. Passion, fire, passion.

I'm going to go hang myself now. I fucking give up.

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If we want passion, maybe we can hire the Cable dude from Oakland when he is fired.

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Uh oh. Gruden just said a field goal before the half would give the Redskins some momentum. Look like he's off the meathead short list.

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Uh oh. Gruden just said a field goal before the half would give the Redskins some momentum. Look like he's off the meathead short list.

:lol: You might actually do it, you might actually kill yourself tonight! :lol: I think you might be losing it IB... deep breaths, next Monday will be a lot better...

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Yes. You know what I want in a head coach? Passion. Lots and lots of fucking passion. I want so much passion on the sidelines that blood is coming out of his pores. I want my coach kicking things, throwing punches at people, yelling at refs, telling his players how much they suck. I don't care about "results" or "win/loss records". I care about passion. Passion, fire, passion.

I'm going to go hang myself now. I fucking give up.




well they du suck dont they and will this year and next year with coach lovie at the helm and their talent evaltion skills

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Lots and lots of fucking passion. I want so much passion on the sidelines that blood is coming out of his pores. I want my coach kicking things, throwing punches at people, yelling at refs, telling his players how much they suck. I don't care about "results" or "win/loss records".

You know who has all of that?



















Sawza!

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 Post subject: Re: John Gruden
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Yes. You know what I want in a head coach? Passion. Lots and lots of fucking passion. I want so much passion on the sidelines that blood is coming out of his pores. I want my coach kicking things, throwing punches at people, yelling at refs, telling his players how much they suck. I don't care about "results" or "win/loss records". I care about passion. Passion, fire, passion.

I'm going to go hang myself now. I fucking give up.


Well, there are good football coaches who also have a little fire in their belly, & can also put a sentence together properly & communicate & lead. Personality matters.

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 Post subject: Re: John Gruden
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Yes. You know what I want in a head coach? Passion. Lots and lots of fucking passion. I want so much passion on the sidelines that blood is coming out of his pores. I want my coach kicking things, throwing punches at people, yelling at refs, telling his players how much they suck. I don't care about "results" or "win/loss records". I care about passion. Passion, fire, passion.

I'm going to go hang myself now. I fucking give up.


Well, there are good football coaches who also have a little fire in their belly, & can also put a sentence together properly & communicate & lead. Personality matters.


Not in Chicago! The McCaskey family will never allow a "personality" guy back in the head coaching ranks. Wanny,Jauron & Smith is proof of that. Smith though has guided a team to the big one. That counts for something in my book. I like an emotional guy too. I think Lovie is a classy guy who chooses to talk to his men behind closed doors. I'm not ready to fire Lovie. He has earned the benefit of the doubt. Despite the Bengal game,Lovie does have his troops ready more often then not.

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I'd go with an ultra-passionate metrosexual interim head coach.


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 Post subject: Re: John Gruden
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Obviously, there are good football coaches who also possess a dynamic personality, ability to communicate, & fire & passion...and there are good coaches who have no personality & are passive & quiet.
As fans though, it is certainly more interesting & entertaining to have someone who is dynamic & can verbalize his thoughts clearly & honestly. The head coach is the face of the organization, & in todays world with the media shoving a microphone in the coaches face all day long, & image being such a big part of sports, the ability to communicate & say the right thing at the right time is more important than ever. Obviously fire & passion alone aren't good enough but a combination as part of a total package is preferable. You can find plenty of good coaches who also have fire in the belly...& there are 4 of them who are available right now, but I believe that 3 of them will be coaching again next year since Washington & Dallas are locks to fire their head coach, with a handful of other teams possibly making a change as well.

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:lol: zach is dropping the ball on this. This is screaming for an ib vs the meatballs debate parody

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Aside from waking up at 317 and pissing passion, Grudens offensive scheme is way too complicated. The QB has to call out all 11 positions every play. He consistently had problems implementing it the way he wanted.

Personally, I think they should give Deion a look


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I watched a Jenna Jameson movie last night and she seemed to have a lot of passion too. Maybe we should hire her?? I am with Irish Boy, there are days I am embarassed to be in the same group of Bear fans with some people.

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Aside from waking up at 317 and pissing passion, Grudens offensive scheme is way too complicated. The QB has to call out all 11 positions every play. He consistently had problems implementing it the way he wanted.

Personally, I think they should give Deion a look


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Well, every offensive play that is called requires something different from all 11 players. In other words, seldom does a player have the exact same assignment two plays in a row. So when you say that Grudens Offensive system requires the QB to call out all 11 positions on every play, it isn't doesn't mean tha the QB calls out each position individually for each play...the QB calls out the play & each player has a specific assignment. It's what Peyton Manning & the Colts have done for years.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Aside from waking up at 317 and pissing passion, Grudens offensive scheme is way too complicated. The QB has to call out all 11 positions every play. He consistently had problems implementing it the way he wanted.

Personally, I think they should give Deion a look


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Well, every offensive play that is called requires something different from all 11 players. In other words, seldom does a player have the exact same assignment two plays in a row. So when you say that Grudens Offensive system requires the QB to call out all 11 positions on every play, it isn't doesn't mean tha the QB calls out each position individually for each play...the QB calls out the play & each player has a specific assignment. It's what Peyton Manning & the Colts have done for years.

lolwut?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Aside from waking up at 317 and pissing passion, Grudens offensive scheme is way too complicated. The QB has to call out all 11 positions every play. He consistently had problems implementing it the way he wanted.

Personally, I think they should give Deion a look


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Well, every offensive play that is called requires something different from all 11 players. In other words, seldom does a player have the exact same assignment two plays in a row. So when you say that Grudens Offensive system requires the QB to call out all 11 positions on every play, it isn't doesn't mean tha the QB calls out each position individually for each play...the QB calls out the play & each player has a specific assignment. It's what Peyton Manning & the Colts have done for years.

As I understand it, thats EXACTLY what it means. His Qb's were having trouble memorizing the calls of the plays. Gruden wants his QB to call out all 11.

Thank you for explaining that all 11 players have different assignments each play.


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Irish Boy wrote:
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Aside from waking up at 317 and pissing passion, Grudens offensive scheme is way too complicated. The QB has to call out all 11 positions every play. He consistently had problems implementing it the way he wanted.

Personally, I think they should give Deion a look


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Well, every offensive play that is called requires something different from all 11 players. In other words, seldom does a player have the exact same assignment two plays in a row. So when you say that Grudens Offensive system requires the QB to call out all 11 positions on every play, it isn't doesn't mean that the QB calls out each position individually for each play...the QB calls out the play & each player has a specific assignment. It's what Peyton Manning & the Colts have done for years.

lolwut?


I thought you had some Football acumen? Do I really need to explain this to you? Really?

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Peyton Manning does not call out all 11 roles on each play.

I've heard that some of Gruden's terminology gets close to that particular.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Aside from waking up at 317 and pissing passion, Grudens offensive scheme is way too complicated. The QB has to call out all 11 positions every play. He consistently had problems implementing it the way he wanted.

Personally, I think they should give Deion a look


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Well, every offensive play that is called requires something different from all 11 players. In other words, seldom does a player have the exact same assignment two plays in a row. So when you say that Grudens Offensive system requires the QB to call out all 11 positions on every play, it isn't doesn't mean tha the QB calls out each position individually for each play...the QB calls out the play & each player has a specific assignment. It's what Peyton Manning & the Colts have done for years.

As I understand it, thats EXACTLY what it means. His Qb's were having trouble memorizing the calls of the plays. Gruden wants his QB to call out all 11.

Thank you for explaining that all 11 players have different assignments each play.


I'll try this again...the QB does not call out each individual players assignment. That would be impossible not to mention inefficient.

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As I understand it, thats EXACTLY what it means. His Qb's were having trouble memorizing the calls of the plays. Gruden wants his QB to call out all 11.

Thank you for explaining that all 11 players have different assignments each play.


I'll try this again...the QB does not call out each individual players assignment. That would be impossible not to mention inefficient.

First of all, you acting condescending in this thread is hilarious.
You know nothing of football.

Secondly this is EXACTLY what Gruden does and its nothing close to Peyton and the Colts

Search Gruden offense and Read up. You are incredibly misinformed.

BTW, with your last phrase in that post. Youve successfully made the case against hiring Gruden.


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Lovie Smith was hired in 2004. Here are his records:

6-10
11-5
13-3
7-9
9-7

Jon Gruden's records since 2004:

5-11
11-5
4-12
9-7
9-7

For those keeping track at home, Lovie Smith was 46-34 in those five seasons. Jon Gruden was 38-42. That is, under .500. And just in case you're going to accuse me of picking out only the particular seasons that support my argument, the Bucs went 7-9 in 2003 as well.

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Am I the only one who laughs at the Mike Shannahan stuff too?

The last time they were together the coach got fired and the player got traded. Sounds like a recipe for success to me!

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Am I the only one who laughs at the Mike Shannahan stuff too?

The last time they were together the coach got fired and the player got traded. Sounds like a recipe for success to me!

Havent you heard (from Scorehead) about his legendary Passing Game?


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Am I the only one who laughs at the Mike Shannahan stuff too?

The last time they were together the coach got fired and the player got traded. Sounds like a recipe for success to me!

I've heard the name of almost every head coach that's won a Super Bowl in the past 15 years that is available. Holmgren, Shanahan, Cowher. No Tony Dungy though. :scratch:

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Well, every offensive play that is called requires something different from all 11 players. In other words, seldom does a player have the exact same assignment two plays in a row. So when you say that Grudens Offensive system requires the QB to call out all 11 positions on every play, it isn't doesn't mean tha the QB calls out each position individually for each play...the QB calls out the play & each player has a specific assignment. It's what Peyton Manning & the Colts have done for years.

Another reason this post is hilarious....It seems youre saying that only the Colts and Gruden have 11 different assignments on each play. Other teams just wing it. :lol: :lol:

But are you gonna be a man and admit you were incredibly wrong and were talking out of your ass?



Grudens Playbook Too Complicated

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Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden is known for having one of the most complex playbooks in football. It might not be as thick as the 700-pager that Al Saunders makes the Redskins memorize, but the Gruden system is so complicated in its verbiage that quarterbacks can get tongue-tied calling plays.

Running back Michael Bennett, who's new to Tampa Bay after getting traded there from Kansas City, tells the St. Petersburg Times he's struggling to learn the Gruden offense:


"Every other offense was words to numbers," said Bennett, 29, a former first-round pick by the Vikings in 2001. "This one, you have to deal with numbers, colors, go back to your ABCs again. It's like going from one-plus-one-is-two to pi-equals-this. It's challenging. It makes you study. It makes you learn. You need to know the offense to be out on the field."
B
ennett isn't complaining, just explaining why the system is difficult to learn. But at what point does it become too much? Last season no less an authority than Redskins Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs seemed to think Saunders' offense was too complicated. Is it possible that Gruden could simplify his offense and simultaneously make it more effective? I suspect it is, but I also suspect Gruden will never try to find out.


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Am I the only one who laughs at the Mike Shannahan stuff too?

The last time they were together the coach got fired and the player got traded. Sounds like a recipe for success to me!


I also chuckle when people cite Shanahan's Chicago and his family ties .... he's been gone from Chicago for over 30 years. My wife is a cousin of his (queue .... "We're happy for you!") and he doesn't talk to anyone in the Chicago branch of the family.

Plus, the Organization is not going to eat $10 million on Lovie's deal, short of a 10 game losing streak to end the year. Not going to happen.

Now, Ron Turner, on the other hand is a dead man walking. His contract expires this year and no doubt that 6 will be making noise to hire Jeremy Bates, his former QB coach and now the quarterbacks coach at Southern Cal.


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I heard Mac mentioning this earlier today that Offensive Coordinator Ron Turner & possibly Receivers Coach Darryl Drake could be fall guys if the Bears flop and miss the playoffs this year...


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