Seems odd to me. I thought after the Cincy game they would be 8 or 9 point favorites but 13.5? I know the Bears are bet heavy in Vegas by Chicago people. They are also a national favorite team and non Chicago people bet on them. But coming off back to back losses with the last one being a blow out, this is the line?

I guess I'm saying I'll take the points, but there is no way in hell the Bears lose the game.

No way in hell? I bet they could find a way.
Shit, getting 13.5 you take that action. 13 NFL points is a LOT man.

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I know. I said I'll take the points.

If the line doesn't move then you buy that hook to make it 14.

It's gonna be 52 on Sunday with no wind so field goals won't be a problem. But it's the lake front so you never know at Soldier Field.

If a line seems too good to be true it probably is.

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Right now, I realize it's a lot of points, but the point spread is to generate $$$$ on both sides. The reason why it's that much is there's not just a lot of $$$$ on the Bears, but the Browns simply can't score. One sight of Eric Mangini on the Cleveland sideline Sunday and I immediately think of Kevin James on "The King of Queens" yelling for "CARRIE!"

+1 I believe the term is "Sucker Bet"

That is going to have to shift down as the week progresses. Obviously somebody somewhere thinks the Bears are worth a +10 at home (assuming they get the full +3 to begin with), but 13.5 just seems like something's fishy.

Plus, the field in ideal conditions is shitty; all this rain leading up to, and possibly, Sunday, isn't going to help at all. Too sloggy, too slippy, too turfy. All points, regardless of who scores them, will be at a premium.

Meaning that, if I actually had dispensary cash, I can't envision anything stopping me from dropping a sizable portion on the side of the Browns.

As an aside, I'd be curious to know the +/-.

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Over/under is 40.

have you seen the browns play? The packers aren't much better than the bears. The bears are a lock to cover this week

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Wow.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but the 13.5 pts & the under seem like outstanding plays on a Tuesday afternoon.

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Cleveland is one of the worst teams in the league, they beat a team of similar caliber (Detroit) by 24 points. I don't think this line is that outrageous.

Keep in mind Derek Anderson hasn't been much better since replacing Brady Quinn about 3 weeks ago as the Browns' starting quarterback. This is the same Derek who threw 2 completions in a WIN (!) over the Bills by a baseball-like final of 6-3. It's not just the fact the Browns are losing, but the way they're doing so that makes me want to lay the lumber and take the Bears to win big Sunday.

I believe he only completed 1 pass to his WR's this past Sunday in 13 attempts, so this will be another barameter to see what a team with a horrid passing game can do against the Bears.

BD, this is also the same Derek Anderson who also had a good season a few years ago and many "experts" thought Derek would be the next big thing at QB...So much for that!

I'm very much aware that the Browns are shit. I still think it's too many points with the Bears offensive line and red zone struggles.

I'm with Don Tiny. I like the Browns and the under.

Once again, no way the Bears lose. Somebody can look it up but 13 point favorites and higher have to be 95% or better that they win the game outright. Very rare for an NFL dog, this big, to win a game outright. Irish boy, you got those numbers?

So for you non gamblers, Vegas is saying that it's just about impossible for the Bears to lose. Bears will be 4-3.

Anybody rooting for the Browns Sunday?

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Depends on how it affects the Broncos playoff chances.

Note: That was a joke.

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I hope the Bears win, but I sure would like to see Lovies press conference after a loss to the Browns.

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Scorehead, perish the thought...Besides, just imagine how irate The SCORE's postgame duo of Doug Buffone & Ed O'Bradovich will be if the Bears lose Sunday. I know Doug & OB were furious after the Bears got their clocks cleaned Sunday in Cincinnati, and before going to the national Westwood One broadcast of the yawner between the Eagles/Redskins, LoHo sounded pretty pissed off as well and wanted to hold Lovie accountable for this mess. "Trust me?" I think not...

Note to people who think that this is tremendously easy money: bet the game. Go ahead. Do it. The books are daring you. If you're that confident, you should be emptying out your bank account right now. You can almost double your money in three hours. That's better than any other investment strategy I can think of.

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Right. No such thing as "knowing the easy bets" or else Vegas would be out of business.

You got the percentage of 13+ point favorites winning outright? It has to be 95% or better. I'm just talking NFL.

Yea. This is a huge trap game. I see Joshua Cribbs either returning a Kick to the house, or breaking a long run out of the Wildcat formation. If Eric Mangini was smart he would stop the Derek Anderson experience before he ruins Brady Quinn. Quinn should be the Browns starter.

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Jesus Christ ... only the sun rising in the east is more predictable than your posts, and the spread's pretty close on that matchup.

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Even a fan of Farve can have a moment of clarity.

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Same goes for your posts as well.

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Between 1997 and 2007 there were 124 games with a spread of 13 points or greater. The favorite went 110-14 in those games.

Interestingly, amongst the 14 teams that lost those games outright, here were the coaches:

Andy Reid (2)
Bill Cowher (2)
Marvin Lewis
Mike Martz (3)
Lovie Smith
Bill Parcells
Mike Shanahan
Dave Wannstadt
Bill Bellicheck
Jim Fassel

Not a lot of correlation there between "quality" and "choking", although the sample size is skewed towards coaches that had good enough teams to actually be favored by that much. The Lovie loss was the 2006 Dolphins game.

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Thanks. 110-14 is 88%. I thought it would be higher but that's still good. If the Bears lose this game Lovie should be fired.

I'll bet 13 point favorites are 100% coming off a loss. Certainly 100% coming off back to back losses. No let down effect when you've lost 2 in a row.

That doesn't include the playoffs. Between 1990 and 2007 teams were 14-2 when they had a spread of 13 points or greater. Bonus Irish Boy points to whomever can name those games. There was a game in the 2008 playoffs as well- the Super Bowl, where the Giants were a 14 point underdog.

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Broncos in the Super Bowl vs the Packers.

Falcons vs Vikings in 1998 NFC championship game.