I agree Rodgers is in a slightly better situation. The Bears line, believe it or not, is better than the Packers. But the better recievers shift the balance back to GB better overall in the non qb offensive positions.

Im still way impressed with Rodgers

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There isn't a clear consise way of measuring the two QB's because there are so many variables. It is only a matter of opinion of whose line is worse. You can make a case for both teams. GB sacks allowed may be skewed because they have played against Minnesota twice already. God only knows how many sacks they will get on Cutler. And how do you measure the capability of WR being able to get open in an event of a play breaking down due to a QB pressure? I mean if the hot reciver isn't getting to where he was supposed to be, there is nothing that Cutler can do but either take a sack, trust his receiver and throw to where he supposed to be (which he has been burned by them), or throw it away and take an incompletion, which affects his rating. So it is hard to judge Jay based off a QB rating stat.

This makes no sense. Like any mediocre team this year they have been behind in their losses, have had 3 blowout wins, and one back and forth game against the Bears. But even if they were behind every game, you'd think Rodgers would force more and throw more than 2 INTs all year. Teams like the Raiders, Buccs, Chiefs, Rams, Browns have all been behind most of the season and have, for the most part, some of the worst rated QB's in the league.

It's ok to give credit where its due, even to a rival player. RPB did. I was quick to admit I was wrong about Green Bay this year. They are atrocious on both sides of the line. But Rodgers is great, and is playing great. You're right, he might be in a slightly better spot than Cutler and therefore should put up slightly better numbers. But he's putting up significantly better numbers. It's frankly not even a contest on who's having the better season. BTW, I dont know if you've really paid attention to the Packers this year, but Jennings hasnt done a whole lot. Rodgers is spreading the ball around alot.

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I understand what you're saying and even agree with you that Cutler is playing better than his QB rating would indicate(he's not the 20th best QB in the NFL). But going by your variable argument, you could never compare anyone to anyone else in the NFL, because everyone has different support and situations.

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I know. That is my point. All categories are dependent on another category. Hey, I give Rodgers alot of credit. He is having a great year. Since you follow GB more than I do, how would you compare the offensive sets b/w GB and CHI? It just seems to me that I don't see the same offensive sets as GB does as far as passing plays are concerned. The reason I ask is that I don't think the Bears have the personel that GB has in order to run those deep route passing plays. This could favor the argument that GB has a better line as well. I don't see Cutler being able to execute 5 or 7 step drop pass plays right now.

What does the title of this thread mean?

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Well GB definitely makes a more concerted effort to throw the ball downfield. Alot of that has to do with personell, but alot of it has to do with Ron Turner's lack of creativity. I really dont think GB has a better line, and Rodgers very seldomly gets to drop back 5 steps, let alone 7. Between his 3rd or 4th step he's usually hauling ass to try to make something happen.

However, I think there are enough similarities in the two teams to make a comparison somewhat valid. I really like Hester though and think he's a good WR. I might be wrong on that though. I dont think the Bears WR's are as bad as everyone makes them out to be, although it is apparent they are not as good or as deep as the Packers. I think the RB's are a wash.

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I think the poster is asking "Is Cutler the problem" /SHARK

Maybe so earlier this season. As of right now, that is totally false.

How many times did the Browns sack/hurry/knock down Rodgers? And how many times did they do that to Cutler?

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Do you have anything to back that up?

Yes. Yesterday's game in which the 32nd ranked Browns defense was in Cutler's face all day long.

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Frank you amuse the hell out of me. Last week you said you "didnt wanna play this game". Packers line also let up more sacks vs Bengals and Lions than the Bears did. We'll see how many the Vikings get in the two combined games against you. I think they had 14 in two games against us.

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Over the length of the season the Bears are better.

The Bears offense wasn't on the field long enough in Cincy to give up sacks, and I'll take the over on the 14 sacks vs. Minne. Hell, Jared Allen alone should have 3 or 4 each game.

I'm not denouncing Rodgers at all here. He's had a great year, but his offensive unit as a whole is better than the Bears. Anybody that tells me that the Bears line is not one of the worst in the league is simply not watching the games.

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just some stats that I found. (again, make of it as you want)

GB has given up 31 sacks (14 alone to Minn in two games)
has rushed 12 times for negative yards
has rushed for 40 1st downs

Chi has given up 15 sacks
has rushed 17 times for negative yards
has rushed for 23 1st downs

Chi and GB have played 3 common opponents (CLE, DET, CIN)

GB gave up sacks respectively 0, 5, 6(5 of which came from Odom who didn't play against the Bears)
Chi gave up 4, 2, 1

another stat which I couldn't find is false starts and holding penalty stats. I think that is a good stat for O-line as well.

What I make of that is that the exterior of the Bears line is better than the exterior of the Packers line, and the interior of the Packers line is better than the interior of the Bears line.

I think, on the whole, the Packers O-line is worse. Neither is good, or even decent.

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The announcer kept saying Cutler wasn't picking up the blitz but how does he know? What if Cutler comes to the line and thinks 'my RB is going to pick up that guy' or 'my LT will slide over and get that guy'? Why is it assumed he doesn't know where the blitz is coming from?

Often, there will be particular players that, if they blitz, the QB knows they will come unblocked and it is his responsibility to make the throw before the defender gets there. There were a few plays yesterday where Cutler held onto the ball far longer than he should have, regardless of the quality of the O-line.

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Ok, but do you think he held onto the ball because his WR wasn't open?

It's pretty much impossible to tell without game tape. One of the most frustrating things about the NFL is that they don't make game tape available to the public. People like me would gladly pay a lot of money to get the full set of camera angles for a given team, even if it was only made available after the season.

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The answer to this: Zero. Not one goddam sack. A beatup, piece meal Packer Oline didn't allow one sack, to the 32nd ranked defense. Meanwhile, Cutler was running for his life pretty much all game yesterday. But yeah, that Packers' Oline is so much worse!

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you're right frank because one game is worth a complete season's analysis. Get a clue. And by the way, it is very obvious by now both lines are horrible but like i and others have said rodgers is a great example of the fact that you can still play great with a terrible line. This can't be disputed

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So the edge the Packers have with WR help is worth 30 QB points? You said slightly better, so let's say 5-10 ratings points. So the GB WR's are worth 20-25 QB ratings points better than the Bears WR corps? Thats ridiculous.

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Bingo!

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When have I said that Rodgers is not playing good/great/grand/wonderful?

Get a goddam clue yourself.

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FIXED.

jennings hasn't done shit this year and grant is mediocre at best

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Grant- 525 yards rushing, 124 rec yards, 3TD's
Forte- 408 yards rushing, 185 rec yards, 3TD's

Jennings - 30-440-2 As a #2
Knox 24-310-3 As a #2

Both positions are in favor of GB.

Do you have game tape that lets you read the defenses and watch the routes develop? Because, if you don't, you have no fucking clue, because all you see is a person chasing after the QB that hasn't thrown the ball yet. There are any number of problems it could be.

Are the Bears worse than Tampa, Kansas City, and Oakland?

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