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The Chagers just waived him.


The San Diego Chargers have waived veteran wide receiver Chris Chambers.


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Chambers must clear waivers in order to play for another team. Each team will have chance to claim him by 4 p.m. Tuesday.

Chargers coach Norv Turner said the Chargers released Chambers because of the emergence of Malcom Floyd and the need to sign a linebacker because of an injury to Tim Dobbins on Sunday. If another team claims Chambers, the Chargers won't have to pay the $2.25 million they owe him.

Chambers had one catch for 20 yards Sunday against Oakland. He has only nine catches for 122 yards and one touchdown this season.

Chambers was obtained at the trading deadline in 2007 from Miami for a second-round draft pick, and helped the Chargers reach the AFC Championship Game that season.

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The Chagers just waived him.


Only if he can play OLine

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One of the most overrated WR in the league over the past 5-10 years.

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One of the most overrated WR in the league over the past 5-10 years.



but that still makes him better than any of ours..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll:

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One of the most overrated WR in the league over the past 5-10 years.



but that still makes him better than any of ours..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll:

Devin Hester is currently 20th in the NFL in reception yards (16th among WRs) and 20th in receptions (12th among WRs). And that's without the benefit of an offensive line that can block for long enough to allow him to run deep routes. Football outsiders has him as the 15th best WR in the league as of last week by their metrics.

At what point do people start to give up the assumption that Devin Hester cannot play wide receiver? And also, at what point do either management or the coaching staff get credit for turning someone who played defense in college into one of the better WRs in the NFL?

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If this season has shown anything (positive) yet, it's that Cutler has more reliable targets than initially thought. Yet Hester is standing out above all of them. What more could he possibly have to prove? Does he have to be top 5 amongst WRs?

And, now that I'm on the soapbox, for all the jokes about how stupid Devin Hester is, he learned probably the most difficult position in football besides quarterback in about two years. I don't care what his ACT score was or how well he speaks; that takes a tremendous amount of football intelligence. Either Lovie Smith and Ron Turner are Anne Sullivan-level teachers, or maybe -- just maybe -- it was incorrect and more than a bit assholeish to assume that he's dumber than a box of rocks.

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One of the most overrated WR in the league over the past 5-10 years.


And still probably better than the slugs we have at WR.

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I don't think it's that hard to learn what routes to run and then have a guy tell you in the huddle what route you need to run.


This isn't Madden. You don't just tell players "run a 10 yard slant". It's much, much more complicated than that. Why do you think WRs, even good WRs, struggle so much in their first few years in the NFL? And that's for players that have been WRs since high school or Pop Warner. Here's a guy that played defense in college and had to make the switch at the highest, most complicated level of football, and he adjusted faster than most draft picks.

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And, now that I'm on the soapbox, for all the jokes about how stupid Devin Hester is, he learned probably the most difficult position in football besides quarterback in about two years. I don't care what his ACT score was or how well he speaks; that takes a tremendous amount of football intelligence. Either Lovie Smith and Ron Turner are Anne Sullivan-level teachers, or maybe -- just maybe -- it was incorrect and more than a bit assholeish to assume that he's dumber than a box of rocks.


Captain Underpants and Diaper Boy is one of the most difficult children's books to read but it isn't that difficult to master.

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Irish Boy wrote:
If this season has shown anything (positive) yet, it's that Cutler has more reliable targets than initially thought. Yet Hester is standing out above all of them. What more could he possibly have to prove? Does he have to be top 5 amongst WRs?

And, now that I'm on the soapbox, for all the jokes about how stupid Devin Hester is, he learned probably the most difficult position in football besides quarterback in about two years. I don't care what his ACT score was or how well he speaks; that takes a tremendous amount of football intelligence. Either Lovie Smith and Ron Turner are Anne Sullivan-level teachers, or maybe -- just maybe -- it was incorrect and more than a bit assholeish to assume that he's dumber than a box of rocks.


I"m still not sold on Hester. He just doesn't look the part, & he still doesn't know the offense completely & he runs mediocre routes. If you are ready to crown him, then crown his ass...but I'm not. I would rather have many of the WR's who are ranked behind him in stats, including Jennings, Manningham, R. White, S. Smith, Boldin, TJ, Harvin, Nicks, Marshall & C. Johnson.
I think Hester is about as good as he is going to get at WR, & that just isn't good enough to consider him amongst the elite WR's in the NFL. Cutler needs a beast WR who can go up & get the ball like Marshall, Nicks, Manningham, TO...a guy 6'5" 215.

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he runs mediocre routes


Say more. Please. I'm begging you.

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Also, answer my question from the other thread: are the Bears worse than Tampa, Oakland, and Kansas City?

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No. The Bears are just starting to put it together. I'm excited about what we will see the next 12 weeks.

Sorry, that was directed towards Scorehead. I know where you stand. Your bright-eyed optimism is a lifesaver in a sea of hyperbolic despair.

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Say more. Please. I'm begging you.


IB, put down the orange & blue Kool-Aid...Lovie is great...Hester is great...I get it.
You watch the games. Isolate on Hester & watch for 8 or 10 plays in a row. Hester still doesn't look like he is comfortable & in the right place at times & when he isn't the primary receiver, he runs lazy routes. There have been numerous plays this year where he & Cutler clearly were not on the same page & I will give the benefit of the doubt to Jay on every one.
Why is it that Bears fans settle for mediocrity? We settled for it at the QB position for 40 years, & now all of a sudden Hester is a HOF'r? There are approximately 96 starting WR's in the NFL, if you assume that each team has a #1, 2, & 3. There are at least 30 WR's that I would rather have than Hester, & I bet you would to. There have been a lot of WR injuries thus far which skews the numbers & bumps everyone else up the list.
Are you satisfied that going forward Hester is our #1 WR for the next 5 years & that the Bears don't need to improve at the position???

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Isolate on Hester & watch for 8 or 10 plays in a row.

Like you do, right? Explain route-running to me. What should I be watching for?

Answer my question: are the Bears worse than Tampa Bay, Oakland, and Kansas City? Because you've said more than once that the only teams the Bears can beat right now are St. Louis, Detroit and Cleveland, and you didn't retract that when Favrefan called you on it before.

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Johnny Damon to the White Sox, Chambers to the Bears.

kujoe, do you live in 2004?

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Isolate on Hester & watch for 8 or 10 plays in a row.

Like you do, right? Explain route-running to me. What should I be watching for?

Answer my question: are the Bears worse than Tampa Bay, Oakland, and Kansas City? Because you've said more than once that the only teams the Bears can beat right now are St. Louis, Detroit and Cleveland, and you didn't retract that when Favrefan called you on it before.


The Bears would beat TB, Oakland, & KC. Big fucking deal. You need to raise your expectations a little bit dontcha think?

I'll spare everyone from the detailed route running discussion because I don't think it would matter...you've got too much orange & blue blood running through your veins. I'm a fan of the Bears too, but please, a little more objectivity.

Go Bears...woo hoo!!!

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If the Bears would beat those teams -- easily, I might add -- as well, why repeatedly post something to the opposite effect, even when called on it?

Also, I said this was probably a 8-8 or 9-7 team, and I've said that all along. One of us is being objective. One of us is being irrational and hyperbolic.

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IB i thought you said you couldn't watch game tape. so how do you know these guys are running good routes or not?

i know your expectations are probably more on the realistic side than some of the other meatballs (like nas...:wink: ) but unless you're at the practices or being able to watch what these receivers are doing, i think all we can do is judge what we *do* see.

hester's growing into the role, i think. he has made some nice moves to get separation and he seems to have a clue.

i thought he would look freddie mitchell bad, which i think it did at first. but hester's learning.


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Johnny Damon to the White Sox, Chambers to the Bears.

kujoe, do you live in 2004?




chamber's is better than any reciver on the bears at this point

damon is a better baser runner than any one on the sox's roster expect aj

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kujoe_7 wrote:
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Johnny Damon to the White Sox, Chambers to the Bears.

kujoe, do you live in 2004?




chamber's is better than any reciver on the bears at this point

damon is a better baser runner than any one on the sox's roster expect aj



1) no

2) better than Chris Getz, the person with the highest sucessful steal % in MLB this year

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IB i thought you said you couldn't watch game tape. so how do you know these guys are running good routes or not?


I have no clue on particular plays, which is how this got started. I know what I see when I can actually watch the WR run their full routes, and it's been positive. Plus, the statistics would seem to back that impression up. But you're right- I only see a selective sample, so I don't get to see what happens over the long run of cases. I acknowledge that.

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I can tell if they ran a good route even if I dont see it...its all in how they walk back to the huddle...Its a football sixth sense kinda thing that only myself and Scorehead have.


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Irish Boy wrote:
kujoe_7 wrote:
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One of the most overrated WR in the league over the past 5-10 years.



but that still makes him better than any of ours..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll:

Devin Hester is currently 20th in the NFL in reception yards (16th among WRs) and 20th in receptions (12th among WRs). And that's without the benefit of an offensive line that can block for long enough to allow him to run deep routes. Football outsiders has him as the 15th best WR in the league as of last week by their metrics.

At what point do people start to give up the assumption that Devin Hester cannot play wide receiver? And also, at what point do either management or the coaching staff get credit for turning someone who played defense in college into one of the better WRs in the NFL?


People like Hub Arkush will just stick to their opinions from 3 years ago that he's not a WR despite all the evidence to the contrary.


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Devin Hester is currently 20th in the NFL in reception yards (16th among WRs) and 20th in receptions (12th among WRs). And that's without the benefit of an offensive line that can block for long enough to allow him to run deep routes. Football outsiders has him as the 15th best WR in the league as of last week by their metrics.

At what point do people start to give up the assumption that Devin Hester cannot play wide receiver? And also, at what point do either management or the coaching staff get credit for turning someone who played defense in college into one of the better WRs in the NFL?

Maybe when they start throwing to him a lot more than they have the last few games. He is one of the lone bright spots on that offense, and should be getting thrown to at least 12-15 times per game.

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Devin Hester is currently 20th in the NFL in reception yards (16th among WRs) and 20th in receptions (12th among WRs). And that's without the benefit of an offensive line that can block for long enough to allow him to run deep routes. Football outsiders has him as the 15th best WR in the league as of last week by their metrics.

At what point do people start to give up the assumption that Devin Hester cannot play wide receiver? And also, at what point do either management or the coaching staff get credit for turning someone who played defense in college into one of the better WRs in the NFL?

Maybe when they start throwing to him a lot more than they have the last few games. He is one of the lone bright spots on that offense, and should be getting thrown to at least 12-15 times per game.

NFL teams don't have "definitely throw the ball to Player X" plays unless they are bubble screens. That's just not how offenses work. It's up to the QB to make the reads.

But he's caught 38 passes. How many more targets do you want?

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