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If its such a fundamental flaw, why isn't Lovie on his ass to correct it?

Jay had a great season last year, even if he had flaws. He should just play like that.

No, I think he is saying that "17 interceptions is not good!"

And here all along, I thought it was!

No. The point is that Jay Cutler needs to change how he plays like I said all along. This is not a slump. This is not an aberration. This is the reason that Josh McDaniels had no faith in Jay Cutler. This is why he tried to trade for the less talented Cassel and then traded for the less talented Kyle Orton + a bunch of draft picks. His flaws are being highlighted here or they were hidden with Brandon Marshall but they are still there. That's the funny thing. Everyone credits Brandon Marshall for making Kyle Orton look like an above average QB. Maybe Brandon Marshall made Jay Cutler look much better than he is?

This is the point of this whole thing. This isn't a temporary problem that will solve itself by Jay "playing better". It is a fundamental flaw in his game that will continue to keep Cutler from being a "franchise QB".

"Jay Cutler sucks! Jay Cutler sucks! Jay Cutler sucks!" and respond accordingly.

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As I said, maybe Brandon Marshall was the reason why he had a good season last year.

I don't know what the definition of a franchise QB is. What I do know, is Jay Cutler will be our QB for the next several years. And he needs to play better than he has thus far. Those are two things I know.

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I didn't follow this saga but I thought McDaniels wanted Cassell because he was familiar with him from their days in NE? Did he say he had no faith in Cutler?

I'm the caricature, but you just compared Cutler to Rex Grossman.

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Rick - You argue a lot. And sometimes you really get in to it, and I can tell you passionately believe what you are saying. This doesn't feel like one of those times. With this it feels more like you are bored, and simply looking for a form of entertainment.

I'm not saying Jay Cutler is a bust or that the trade was bad but right now Jay Cutler hasn't met anyone's expectations even the people who seem to live in the fantasy world where this type of play is acceptable for any QB.

He isn't a bust, nor does the trade look bad. Jay just needs to play better!!!!!

Just remember that this is Cutlers fourth year and at the age that is supposed to be the "prime" of his career.

I'm with you Rick when it comes to Cutler's play this year but you continue to lose me with your arguement that Cutler has always played this poorly. That couldn't be further from the truth. If I'm not mistaken he has NEVER thrown this many interceptions at any level.

I'm with you Rick when it comes to Cutler's play this year but you continue to lose me with your arguement that Cutler has always played this poorly. That couldn't be further from the truth. If I'm not mistaken he has NEVER thrown this many interceptions at any level.

I hope so because he's going to have to adjust to the talent level of his team just like a franchise QB would.

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If you look up (I don't have the time) Cutler's Fumbles/INT's per attempt, it is only a handful of attempts (I think it's 5, IIRC) less than Orton's. And not surprisingly, he has more tuddies per attempt than Orton too.

:shock: So, he should start playing worse?

Orton wasn't protecting the ball well early on especially in his rookie year. He has gotten much better now.

In the past two years, Orton has 32 total touchdowns and 19 turnovers.
Jay Cutler has 39 total touchdowns 37 turnovers.


I don't understand how you took that as what I said. I'm saying the same throws that worked for Brandon Marshall don't work for Devin Hester and he needs to realize that Hester isn't going to be able to bail you out if you throw it into double coverage and it's more likely to be intercepted.

Kyle Orton has 752 attempts. Jay Cutler has 954 attempts.

Orton: 1 turnover every 39.5 attempts
Cutler: 1 turnover every 25.7 attempts

And what about touchdowns?

Orton: Touchdown every 23.5 attempts.
Cutler: Touchdown every 22.7 attempts.

Rick I believe you are wasting your time, but it's a valiant effort nonetheless.

Cutler does need to play better, that's for sure.

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He certainly is, because the end result is this:

All Busts need to play better. Thats why theyre busts.

It's just good to see that Chris and Frank now believe that the play of Jay Cutler is unacceptable and needs to be better. No excuses. No blame on other players.

That was the whole point of the thread so I guess it is settled.