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I consider Peyton Manning the best QB in the NFL & Drew Brees the 2nd best. Having said that, what do you guys think Peyton Manning or Drew Brees would look like on this Bears team?
I am convinced that they too would look like shit.
Again, I recall the Mike Imren line..."Giving the current Bears coaching staff Jay Cutler is like giving surgeon tools to a butcher."
The Bears don't have anyone who is an offensive guru...they have Ron Turner & Pep Hamilton.

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I am convinced that they too would look like shit.


no. they would have scored 2 more touchdowns tonight. keep convincing yourself though, it makes for good reading!


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what do you guys think Peyton Manning or Drew Brees would look like on this Bears team?

Peyton Manning has no running game to speak of, one of his starting WRs was playing in the same division as the University of Chicago two years ago, his left tackle (the most important line position) is horrendous, and his defense is substandard, especially after you get past the two guys playing DE and the safety who is injured again. And the Colts are 10-0. Peyton Manning would look like a hall of fame QB on the Bears. He'd look like a HOF QB on the Browns, or anywhere else. Just like Tom Brady looked like a hall of famer even when Jabar Gaffney was his number one receiver.

The problem isn't that Jay Cutler isn't Peyton Manning. The problem is that he isn't even Jake Delhomme or Chad Henne right now. That's pathetic.

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ib you got all of it but the colts d. Definitely not substandard even with their secondary injuries. If anythink that showed their depth. Overall that's still a pretty good unit

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what do you guys think Peyton Manning or Drew Brees would look like on this Bears team?

Peyton Manning has no running game to speak of, one of his starting WRs was playing in the same division as the University of Chicago two years ago, his left tackle (the most important line position) is horrendous, and his defense is substandard, especially after you get past the two guys playing DE and the safety who is injured again. And the Colts are 10-0. Peyton Manning would look like a hall of fame QB on the Bears. He'd look like a HOF QB on the Browns, or anywhere else. Just like Tom Brady looked like a hall of famer even when Jabar Gaffney was his number one receiver.

The problem isn't that Jay Cutler isn't Peyton Manning. The problem is that he isn't even Jake Delhomme or Chad Henne right now. That's pathetic.


Agreed. Cutler has looked like shit. He is playing scared and the over throws are a result of Jay trying to avoid INT's. But the Bears don't have anyone on the coaching staff who can help Cutler.
The only guy you ever see talking with Jay is Pep fucking Hamilton! Pep Hamilton! Just look at what he has done for the previous 12 Bears QB's.
So let me ask you this: What would Cutler look like on the Colts or Saints?

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ib you got all of it but the colts d. Definitely not substandard even with their secondary injuries. If anythink that showed their depth. Overall that's still a pretty good unit

I came away very unimpressed after watching the last two weeks. Ray Rice made them look silly all afternoon. I know 15 points isn't a lot but Baltimore moved the ball down the field all day long, missed a chip shot field goal, and had an INT in the red zone. They're not Detroit bad or anything, but since Jay Cutler fans get to blame the defense, I think Manning would deserve to deflect any blame too, if there was any.

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The only guy you ever see talking with Jay is Pep fucking Hamilton! Pep Hamilton! Just look at what he has done for the previous 12 Bears QB's.

He's the QB coach. I honestly could not name another QB coach in the NFL. But he was brought in during the Rex Grossman decline. Obviously that didn't work out, but while he was here, Kyle Orton went from laughingstock of the NFL to viable starter, to the point that two teams in playoff contention have absolutely crumbled when he went down with an injury (they don't lose the game to Washington if he plays the whole way, for starters). If QB coaches actually have any effect whatsoever, I'd say that's not altogether bad.

The Colts and Saints would be far less good with Jay Cutler was QB. That's not even a debate. Unfortunately, the debate is whether the Dolphins, Panthers, Seahawks, etc. would be less good with Cutler. I hesitate to add the Broncos to that list, but ...

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i guess we aren't seeing it the same. I've been pretty impressed the part two weeks and actually that helped change my mind on them. I thought maybe the stats were lying before. They've overcome multiple colts turnovers and kept getting big stops and keeping them in the game. I know they let up alot of points to the pats but thats a damn good offense and the ravens have some weapons too. Their rook did a good job on mason today despite the stats and the big drop by mason

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That'll be on deadspin in the morning.....

Too late...its already up there...you guys are pervs..

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I wouldn't even be that pissed off if people would just admit that they were wrong. I get so sick of these Jake Blues explaining why he didn't show up at the wedding type posts on why what I'm watching is really good QB play. But people won't admit that, because this is one clear example where everyone was out front talking about how wonderful the deal was. To go back on that would be to go back on your opinions, and one mustn't do that.

For the record, like Nas, I still would make the trade. That's getting harder to justify though.

You guys are lucky I'm not Boilermaker Rick. If you think he's bad, I'd be spamming every fucking section right now after all the shit you gave him.


You want people to admit they were wrong? Fine. Will you then admit you were wrong about the Bears WR's & Lovie Smith? I recall you writing glowing reviews of the Bears WR's, & telling me that you would rather have Lovie Smith as your head coach than Gruden, Holmgren, Shanahan, or Billick. The reality is that the Bears have regressed at nearly every position since the season started. The Bears problems run deep & all go back to lack of good Management & leadership.
As for Jay Cutler, I would still rather have him than Kyle or Rex.

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Anybody find the picture of Hester's ass on the internet? NBC had no idea the replay was going to show that. They might get some complaints.


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Anybody find the picture of Hester's ass on the internet? NBC had no idea the replay was going to show that. They might get some complaints.

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Hester will never live this down. It will be on the net forever. His teammatese are gonna kill him over this.


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Please quote all my glowing reviews of the Bears WRs. I said that I thought Devin Hester is a WR, which seems a rather uncontroversial proposition. I think Bennett is OK. I think Knox is the worst of the three but he's a rookie so its impossible to say. You seem to think "certainly not the worst group in the NFL" = "magnificent".

As for the coaches... yeah. I don't like any of those coaches. Sorry. You seem to love head coaches that won championships an average of one decade ago. No Dungy though. Interesting. Ponder that momentarily.

Now that I'm done pondering, also note that nowhere have I ever said that I thought Lovie Smith was any more than an above-average NFL coach. Can you do better? Yeah, maybe. Will they? Probably not with any of those guys, who you want just because you've heard of them before. I don't like change just so that the stupid can have a new savior to invest in.

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I'm guessing if I know Cutler is looking for the average at best Olsen in critical situations every coach in the league knows the same thing. That's how the last pass was picked and how many more have been picked all season. He has too much confidence in his butt buddy.


The only guy who Cutler can count on to make a catch is Olsen & to a lesser degree Bennett.
Jay has no confidence in Hester or Knox. The fact that Bears Management gave this sorry ass WR corps to Jay Cutler is a crime.

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Anybody find the picture of Hester's ass on the internet? NBC had no idea the replay was going to show that. They might get some complaints.

Deadspin.com


Saw it. I acually feel bad for Hester. He's a shy guy. He's embarrased. People are gonna talk about this forever. B&B will make fun of this. I've never seen an NFL player's pants come down. He needs to tighten that draw string. He also needs to wear underwear. Jeez.


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Please quote all my glowing reviews of the Bears WRs. I said that I thought Devin Hester is a WR, which seems a rather uncontroversial proposition. I think Bennett is OK. I think Knox is the worst of the three but he's a rookie so its impossible to say. You seem to think "certainly not the worst group in the NFL" = "magnificent".

As for the coaches... yeah. I don't like any of those coaches. Sorry. You seem to love head coaches that won championships an average of one decade ago. No Dungy though. Interesting. Ponder that momentarily.

Now that I'm done pondering, also note that nowhere have I ever said that I thought Lovie Smith was any more than an above-average NFL coach. Can you do better? Yeah, maybe. Will they? Probably not with any of those guys, who you want just because you've heard of them before. I don't like change just so that the stupid can have a new savior to invest in.


Since you are having memory issues, let me try to remind you of your Bears WR love.
You ripped Hub for ripping on Hester & the Bears WR's, & posted a bunch of stats & info that you found online, & talked about how Hester was ranked 20th in the NFL WR's & how the Bears WR's overall were ranked near the top of the league & on & on & on. Do you really not remember this? Really? I'll let you do the leg work if you want...
As for Lovie, it sounds like you don't want the Bears to make a change & upgrade the head coach position. So you think they should continue with the current regime? Seriously?
I'm beginning to think you are a McCaskey Family member...

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Makes no sense because Olsen is the worse of the 4 when it comes to catching the ball.


You must not watch Bears games.

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as much as ive defended cutler all season this game was on him. he missed 3 wide open receivers tonight that wouldve scored standing up had he thrown to them with any sort of accuracy. all night he was missing if it was more than a 3 yard pass.

im also so sick and tired of seeing that quick screen to the wide receiver. hey guess what ron turner. IT DOESNT WORK EVER. especially when your receiver has no blocking whatsoever.


i thought the defense played well enough to win the game overall. although the last drive by the eagles they tore them apart after an entire half of being shut down. but i liked getting the turnovers for a change. too bad the pitiful offense could do nothing with them.


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Irish Boy wrote:
I wouldn't even be that pissed off if people would just admit that they were wrong. I get so sick of these Jake Blues explaining why he didn't show up at the wedding type posts on why what I'm watching is really good QB play. But people won't admit that, because this is one clear example where everyone was out front talking about how wonderful the deal was. To go back on that would be to go back on your opinions, and one mustn't do that.

For the record, like Nas, I still would make the trade. That's getting harder to justify though.

You guys are lucky I'm not Boilermaker Rick. If you think he's bad, I'd be spamming every fucking section right now after all the shit you gave him.


You want people to admit they were wrong? Fine. Will you then admit you were wrong about the Bears WR's & Lovie Smith? I recall you writing glowing reviews of the Bears WR's, & telling me that you would rather have Lovie Smith as your head coach than Gruden, Holmgren, Shanahan, or Billick. The reality is that the Bears have regressed at nearly every position since the season started. The Bears problems run deep & all go back to lack of good Management & leadership.
As for Jay Cutler, I would still rather have him than Kyle or Rex.



Scorehead...you have nailed it.....the Bears wide receivers are a joke...the passing offense is a farce...they don't have an OUT PATTERN....How can Bennett be too stupid to get on the field last year because he can't learn THIS scheme?
Hester is a Christmas Tree Ornament out there.
The Bears offensive line is pathetic...Forte is going to be roadkill.

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as much as ive defended cutler all season this game was on him. he missed 3 wide open receivers tonight that wouldve scored standing up had he thrown to them with any sort of accuracy. all night he was missing if it was more than a 3 yard pass.

im also so sick and tired of seeing that quick screen to the wide receiver. hey guess what ron turner. IT DOESNT WORK EVER. especially when your receiver has no blocking whatsoever.


i thought the defense played well enough to win the game overall. although the last drive by the eagles they tore them apart after an entire half of being shut down. but i liked getting the turnovers for a change. too bad the pitiful offense could do nothing with them.



The Bears have turned Cutler to mush.....he is slinging the ball downfield...it is as if they have never practiced any passing play except the tight end slant.

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Cutler has played like shit for the better part of 8 consecutive quarters.

There are lots of problems with this team. Cutler right now is one of them, but I do believe he will be (boderline :P) great in the long run.

Lovie Smith is a total boob and has to go. "We still feel like we're in the mix if we can correct a lot of things." You aren't in the mix for anything past January tee times.

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Cutler has played like shit for the better part of 8 consecutive quarters.

There are lots of problems with this team. Cutler right now is one of them, but I do believe he will be (boderline :P) great in the long run.

Lovie Smith is a total boob and has to go. "We still feel like we're in the mix if we can correct a lot of things." You aren't in the mix for anything past January tee times.



You are nailing it.
Damn, I was sitting in the south end zone laughing at the drunks in the stands and watching this Bears playground offense.

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Please quote all my glowing reviews of the Bears WRs. I said that I thought Devin Hester is a WR, which seems a rather uncontroversial proposition. I think Bennett is OK. I think Knox is the worst of the three but he's a rookie so its impossible to say. You seem to think "certainly not the worst group in the NFL" = "magnificent".

As for the coaches... yeah. I don't like any of those coaches. Sorry. You seem to love head coaches that won championships an average of one decade ago. No Dungy though. Interesting. Ponder that momentarily.

Now that I'm done pondering, also note that nowhere have I ever said that I thought Lovie Smith was any more than an above-average NFL coach. Can you do better? Yeah, maybe. Will they? Probably not with any of those guys, who you want just because you've heard of them before. I don't like change just so that the stupid can have a new savior to invest in.


Since you are having memory issues, let me try to remind you of your Bears WR love.
You ripped Hub for ripping on Hester & the Bears WR's, & posted a bunch of stats & info that you found online, & talked about how Hester was ranked 20th in the NFL WR's & how the Bears WR's overall were ranked near the top of the league & on & on & on. Do you really not remember this? Really? I'll let you do the leg work if you want...
As for Lovie, it sounds like you don't want the Bears to make a change & upgrade the head coach position. So you think they should continue with the current regime? Seriously?
I'm beginning to think you are a McCaskey Family member...



All anyone has to do is go to a game in the Soldier Dump, sit high in the endzone, and watch the utter stupidity of the Bears passing scheme.

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I'm guessing if I know Cutler is looking for the average at best Olsen in critical situations every coach in the league knows the same thing. That's how the last pass was picked and how many more have been picked all season. He has too much confidence in his butt buddy.


The only guy who Cutler can count on to make a catch is Olsen & to a lesser degree Bennett.
Jay has no confidence in Hester or Knox. The fact that Bears Management gave this sorry ass WR corps to Jay Cutler is a crime.



Add the stupid assed offensive "scheme" to the mix.
The routes are pure playground!!!!

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Thank you Keyser.

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