Cutler I thought was going to have an off-year this year. The Bears got him but have had little opportunity to build a team around him. Such as: a line, some better receivers, and maybe some playcalls that take advantage of his strengths. This year has actually been nice insofar as I've seen improvements in the receiving corps, but regression with the tight end (really, who wouldn't think to cover Olsen?!?) The collapse of the running game and the line though has drove me nuts... As for the coaching staff, LOL, we know Ron Turner & Lovie... I would add Pep Hamilton, but I don't know much about his abilities. Either way, they haven't adjusted to who they have either... And maybe won't next year, too.

Angelo.. Well, he knew last offseason after scoring this deal that he'd have to poke around free agency and trash heaps to build a line. Pace might've helped, but obviously that's not working. And then there's the D front four. He's got work to do. Fortunately what he's looking for doesn't often show up in the first 2 rounds.

But, this year, I was afraid (and still am), would be the year in which Cutler would be ruined or not. And he's showing the signs of gun-shyness that I was afraid of. Last QB ruined here was Grossman. Look to how he played before his injuries. I'm not talking the same level of talent as Cutler, I'm talking a QB with some swagger. Beaten THAT out of him! And maybe, Jay, too. We'll see.

One thing that's scary is, if there is anyone who can't capitalize on getting good talent, its the Bears.

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Middle Aged Crazy, like Uncle Terry

I love how people have set up this "heads I win, tails you lose" construct where, no matter what happens, there's no way that their evaluation of Jay Cutler can be proven incorrect. If he becomes successful, they're right. If he still sucks, well, it's everyone else's fault and the Bears "ruined" him. It's completely unfalsifiable, in that there's no set of circumstances in which anyone will be forced to say "I might have been wrong about this." There will never be an absolutely ideal situation in which Jay Cutler will perform, and as long as there's anything short of perfection, that imperfection will be blamed. There is a ready-built excuse no matter what.

Actually, I don't think that will be altogether true if he continues to fail. This will wear off, as all hero-worship does. This is especially true if there are significant coaching changes. There simply won't be anyone left to blame after a while (assuming all is still going poorly), and then EVERYTHING is going to become Jay Cutler's fault, in the same way that Rex Grossman went from Teh Awesome to Cade McLeaf in like four weeks. Then it will be "Coach [X] is a great coach but he just doesn't have a chance to succeed with this QB." Repeat as necessary, until I die.

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Fire Phil Emery

The emotional method used to quantify "fire and passion" is also used to measure whether or not a team can "ruin" a player in 10 games. It was recently explained in the Oct. 09 issue of the periodical, Scientific Meatball.

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@audioidkid

Hey Irish Boy,
You talk real pretty with that mouth of yours!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

First IB, what was that line you typed about the progression Bears fans would go through? There were several phases, one which included hero-worship? Sorry I'm being vague.

Second, I have no problem with admitting I was drinking the Kool-Aid and thought he would be the savior of this team. I did not watch much of Cutler in his Broncos days and was "told" to be excited by the Chicago media or I was a "meatball". At this point I don't like what I see and being a Bears fan, resigned to the fact Cutler will fail here.

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RFDC thinks I'm retarded.

ARE there winners in discussions? I don't think so.

No, I don't regret the trade. I do have fears about the Bear's ability to use this guy properly.

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Middle Aged Crazy, like Uncle Terry

I'm, 29. First legit man-crush ever. Played just about every sport growing up, but was always a fan of the games, rather than the sports, and the people who got payed, to play the sport/s. After having gone to war, I find it even more difficult to take sports seriously. So with Cutler, I saw a guy that is actually a lot like myself in the way he acts in certain situations. And I guess I gravitated towards that.

Make no mistake, I still like the guy as much as I did in the weeks we got to know him. Anyone who is re-thinking the trade needs a lobotomy for the benefit of all mankind. And I am having an awful hard time directing anything but a smidgen of blame, Cutler's way. In fact, I feel damn sorry sorry for this guy.

I saw frustration in Cutler after the first game, and it has only gotten worse. I absolutely think he began to question the competency of this coaching staff, and the talent on this team, early on. Likely even before the season started. And I absolutely place 95% of the blame at their feet. There have been numerous times where you can clearly see Cutler is at odds with the play calling, and again, this began early on.

I don't care what some radio blowhards say, Ron Turner is god-awful. You cannot use the excuse of him using a similar, if not identical scheme and play calling mentality, as a good portion of other OCs in the league. The difference is, his offense doesn't execute. And they haven't executed properly in the majority of seasons he has been a coach, at any level. Its fucking obvious, and disturbing.

This is largely the same offense he has been running since he got here. And when it didn't work in the past, it didn't change. When we were all sitting here wondering why, as fans, we could see the clear coloration between the TE's being involved, and wins, he didn't. And we sat here baffled as to why DC was being lost in the shuffle, on a team with nothing to shuffle. That happened two years straight. THe last year with Grossman, and the first full year with Orton.

I went to Maine South to watch my former HS team play, and the execution is better on that field. So at the end of the day, you obviously have to tweak something, and Turner hasn't. His offense wasn't ready from the jump, and he hasn't done anything to rectify that. Other teams would have squeezed execution out these guys, at least. And really, this team appears to have totally divorced itself from this coaching staff. I think it started on offense, and the discontent has spread.

And the bitch of it is, after saying all that, this might be a case where Lovie is actually making the situation worse. While Turner's overall record is that of utter failure, we know that Lovie has in the recent past, stifled his coaching staff and there opinions, and actually drove a successful coordinator, with the respect of his players, out of town.

Face it, this is a franchise that is diseased from the top down.

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"Mattress technology has come a long way"

- Dan Bernstein, 2016

jamarcus russell doesn't give a shit. he's gotten paid, and that's all that seems to matter to him. he is the luckiest 1st overall pick i've ever seen, i think.

So Cutler is showing his frustration by throwing interceptions and over-throwing his wide receivers...I don't know how I missed that.

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“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.”- JD Vance
“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

As soon as Cutler gets a pig, let me know. I think he's seen a couple, had a few chances to trap one, but he hasn't had one available just yet.

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i dont get the analogy. None of us are saying he has even an adequate supporting cast but he's literally been one of the worst qb's in the league this year and considering the price for him that's simply unacceptable

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Its a perfect analogy. It fits right along with the dreadfully tired 'stone soup' argument. Sure, Jay has had a few chances to catch a pig, a couple of clear shots that he's missed, but some of his traps have been sabatoged and he's been given a lot of broken, dull arrows to shoot with. He certainly needs to be a better hunter, but he also needs better tools to do the job correctly. Can't call off the hunt now.

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wow. that is monumentally ridiculous.

You are making far too much sense.

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There goes one over the fence..Tru Link Fence..Beauty, Privacy Security....Call Tru Link.
Murph's Union 76 Truck Stop....A great Thanksgiving Tradition!!!!

WOO LIFE!!!!

and thinking about it more, they were offering the same second round pick for Anquon Bolden. I know the Cardinals did not accept it, but it sure seems to indicate a lack of knowledge a pick holds.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

and Randy Moss went for a 4th rounder

[Analogy]



[Frank's Head]

Jay Cutler isn't preparing the stone soup in the analogy. He is the stone. I can't believe I have to explain this. The fallacy is that, when it's all said and done, it's not the stone making the soup good, it's all the other stuff around the stone. "Stone Soup" isn't about some anthropomorphic stalagmite that goes around collecting ingredients for stew.

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Fire Phil Emery

Get your own big word. I own the rights to it on this board.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I can't wait til we find out what PB&J stands for.

You're doing that just the same.

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This was a kid who has stood strong in the pocket, and has taken a lot of abuse. Now, his mechanics are all shot to shit, as is his head. He's fucking shell shocked. 1000yd stare, all that shit.

The kid can make some piss poor decisions, but again, Ive never seen a team bunch WR's in the EZ, like the Bears do. And it is exacerbated by the fact they have no run game. RZ situations with no running game, WR's who exhibit no ability to get open after their route, poor play calling, a line that is more often than not, leaking like a sieve...it is amazing he has any TD's at all.

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"Mattress technology has come a long way"

- Dan Bernstein, 2016

I see one of two things happening:

1. Frank Ohmyfuckinggod or Orlando Pace let someone through who seriously injures Cutler.

2. Cutler grows increasingly frustrated here and demands a trade.

the NFL has become a very impatient place.

Cutler could be mangled by the Vikings D-Line.

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There goes one over the fence..Tru Link Fence..Beauty, Privacy Security....Call Tru Link.
Murph's Union 76 Truck Stop....A great Thanksgiving Tradition!!!!

WOO LIFE!!!!

Blaming Turner is easy to do as we see the results of the playcalling. How about the assistant coaches? Who among them are worth a damn (or... not?)

As to these rumors "fed" to Hub the other day, given as how Lovie has another year and many of us equate that to another year of suckfest... how do you suppose that might affect next year's season ticket sales, and is there a noticeable sales trend that Virginia MacCaskey can see? I'd think later years of Wannsteadt and Jauron's tenure here might give her something to compare against.

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Middle Aged Crazy, like Uncle Terry

that would be literally one of the funniest sports related items of the part few years imo

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Funnier still would be Brett Favre winning a Super Bowl for the Vikings

This is just only one of the regrets I have regarding the Bears.

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RFDC thinks I'm retarded.

My pissed offedness grows every week with trading a 2nd for this guy.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

More like that the GM and coach dug thier own grave thinking that Jay would be the savior this season.

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