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I will laugh at both of you every time either of you call someone else a meatball. Any objective person can look at the games played this season and say they would have likely lost at least 4 more without Favre. Obviously you guys fall into the meatball category.

If you think this is a 7-8 team without Favre, you are very much mistaken. Rosenfels is decent, just like Ferrotte is decent. They'd be 10-6ish just like last year.


Yup. Tarvaris and Sage would have easily won the 49ers game and the Ravens game too. They would have swept the Packers too. All of this with a worse O-line and AP rushing for the fewest ypg in his career.

True, Brett Favre willed that field goal wide left in the Ravens game by sheer will of force. :lol: :lol:
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In that case, I generally just tune into Doug and OB and call it a night :)

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Christmas was four days ago. I've gotten my fill of old, half-senile men screaming about the Bears.

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I will laugh at both of you every time either of you call someone else a meatball. Any objective person can look at the games played this season and say they would have likely lost at least 4 more without Favre. Obviously you guys fall into the meatball category.

If you think this is a 7-8 team without Favre, you are very much mistaken. Rosenfels is decent, just like Ferrotte is decent. They'd be 10-6ish just like last year.

right. Nas- you're really the only one being illogical and meatballish here. A fact i would think would become apparent to you based on the fact frank is the only one that agrees with you on this

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Nice win. Just happy to see some good. We battled with a lot of injuries on defense. Especially when Tillman went down. Didn't hear what happened to him. Lacerated Kidney?


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Peterson hasn't been the same back this season. Even more of a reason they wouldn't be as good without Favre. He only has 3 100 yard games but 5 with fewer than 70. He is averaging 22 fewer yards per and 1ypc less than his career average coming into the season. He has lost more fumbles than any other time in his career. Without Favre's 4000 yards and 30 touchdowns and only 7 picks they are on the outside looking in.

It doesn't matter what you think about Favre, AP has been the focus of every opposing defense this year. On a team that everyone knew was going to be really good. Right?

He's gonna finish with 1,400+ yards this year.

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Peterson hasn't been the same back this season. Even more of a reason they wouldn't be as good without Favre. He only has 3 100 yard games but 5 with fewer than 70. He is averaging 22 fewer yards per and 1ypc less than his career average coming into the season. He has lost more fumbles than any other time in his career. Without Favre's 4000 yards and 30 touchdowns and only 7 picks they are on the outside looking in.

It doesn't matter what you think about Favre, AP has been the focus of every opposing defense this year. On a team that everyone knew was going to be really good. Right?

He's gonna finish with 1,400+ yards this year.

Next question...........


It's his worst season in all the areas I listed above. Wasn't he always the focus of defense? Didn't they focus on him more last season with TJ and Gus as QB. Shouldn't he have more opportunities with Favre getting those 8 and 9 guys out of the box. Going into the season I thought he would rush for 2000 yards. Now he will end up with about 400 fewer yard and the worse ypc of his career. What was the cause of the decline? O-line missing Birk? Is he losing a step?

1st of all, losing Matt Birk is a big thing for that line in both aspects of the offense, no question.

2nd, yes, he's been the focus of the defense for the last 3 years. But again, 1,400+ yards this year. You seriously arguing against that on a SB contender? He is a great NFL RB.

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Never said that. In my world 1400 yards is great. My point was with the loss of Birk and AP not rushing for 1800 yards (1760 for the assholes) and having the worst year of his career makes the QB position that much more important. It also makes it less likely that the Vikings could win 10 games with Tarvaris is Sage.

But you're the same guy who said he wasn't even a "borderline great RB" last year. Yet his stats are worse this year, and he still has 1, 400+ yds. That's all.

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Miss a little miss a lot. The "borderline" running joke comes from me calling him a borderline great RB last season. Eventually I said he was great.

It comes from two seasons ago.

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hopefully peanut is alright. Zach, i agree philly is the most dangerous nfc team right now, but not by much. I think all 6 teams are roughly equal right now


the two "favorites" this season, the vikes and saints, have to prove something now to be close to being picked to beat the packers, the eagles, or the cardinals. the cowboys have just had a "nice run". i hope philly beats their brains in next week. and i think that can happen, too.

these two have interesting match ups. the aints have to go to carolina, who just beat the shit out of the giants. it'd be a good "test" to get the ship righted before the dreaded bye week.

the vikings have to play the giants at home,who just got the shit beaten out of them by the panthers *at home*. and the giants have nothing to play for.

it's funny to me that the cardinals could have a shot at the #2 seed. do they deserve it this year, IB? :wink:


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So favre added 1 or 2 wins to this team.

Oh, is that all? And I guess thats no big deal right? Because its not like 1 or 2 wins can keep you out of the playoffs. And its certainly not like 1 or 2 wins could be the difference between the #2 seed and having a bye vs. having to go on the road for (potential) playoff game #2 and/or #3.

No, that kinda stuff never happens. I guess you are right once again almighty ff :roll:

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So favre added 1 or 2 wins to this team.

Oh, is that all? And I guess thats no big deal right? Because its not like 1 or 2 wins can keep you out of the playoffs. And its certainly not like 1 or 2 wins could be the difference between the #2 seed and having a bye vs. having to go on the road for (potential) playoff game #2 and/or #3.

No, that kinda stuff never happens. I guess you are right once again almighty ff :roll:

john kirk rule. I already said he's played well and been valuable to the team. 1 or 2 wins above your replacement is not worthy of mvp. That's what i said

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I'm not saying Farve is MVP. In the team photo, but not MVP. What I am saying is that the 2009 Vikings do not already have 11 wins if Jackson or Rosenfels has been the QB for the team all season. You can Kirk Rule me all you want, but you are flat out wrong if you think this year's Vikes would be an 11 (or 12 and even 10 is probably not likely) win team with Jackson or Rosenfels.

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I'm not saying Farve is MVP. In the team photo, but not MVP. What I am saying is that the 2009 Vikings do not already have 11 wins if Jackson or Rosenfels has been the QB for the team all season. You can Kirk Rule me all you want, but you are flat out wrong if you think this year's Vikes would be an 11 (or 12 and even 10 is probably not likely) win team with Jackson or Rosenfels.

you're going out of your john kirk way to pick an argument about this. I said i think they'd finish with 10 wins. And fyi, you cant be flat wrong on an opinion of a hypothetical situation

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When it involved Sage Rosenfels or Tavaris Jackson you can. Without Farve the 2009 Vikings don't win more than 9 games.

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Can we please retire the John Kirk rule? Or at least call it something else?

Scorehead rule?

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You expect IB to retire something he made up? And FF is just as stubborn. Kirk Rule is likely to be around at least as long as "tickat" was.

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When it involved Sage Rosenfels or Tavaris Jackson you can. Without Farve the 2009 Vikings don't win more than 9 games.

again there's no way to know that. Unless you think gus is a very good qb. They did last year with him

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i wonder when the fact that peterson fumbles the ball more than anyone in the nfl by far is going to catch up to him. hes a great back for sure but that has to be pissing people in minnesota off at this point


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Didn't Tarvaris light it up in the pre season prior to Farve's arrival?

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When it involved Sage Rosenfels or Tavaris Jackson you can. Without Farve the 2009 Vikings don't win more than 9 games.

again there's no way to know that. Unless you think gus is a very good qb. They did last year with him


As I mentioned earlier they did all of this with AP having a career year. This year the Vikings lost Birk and AP's production has dropped by 20% and he has turned the ball over more then he has at anytime in his career. After all of this that combination of Sage and Tarvaris still sweeps the Packers and beats the 49ers and Ravens. Your Packers division prediction would have likely been right with no Favre.


No it wouldn't have. I guess you didnt see the games between the Packers and Vikings this year. Their O Line looked like the best Line in history. Sage could have picked them apart with that type of production. It's not hard to imagine Sage or Tarvaris could have won both those games. The 49ers and Ravens games they may have lost. They may not have though. You're smart enough to realize that if you chance the QB's, everything would change. The butterfly effect. It's very unlikely if they played that 49ers game over it would have played out exactly the same, needing a miracle throw to win the game. So yeah, I think Minnesota led by Sage or Jackson is capable of beating the 49ers. They would be 10-6 this year without Favre.

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The great Nas has been reduced to making predictions about things that will never happen. Where are those days where Nas would throw down an entire NFL week schedule and hit 55-60%?

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So what's the John Kirk rule? That you have to find the exact quote of what someone says?

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So what's the John Kirk rule? That you have to find the exact quote of what someone says?


Not necessarily. Just dont make stuff up that the other person says. I've found I agree with IB that that's really irritating so I shamelessly stole that. I say enough dumb shit without someone having to make it up.

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The John Kirk rule is that I say enough crazy-enough shit that I have to argue against that I don't feel like arguing on behalf of things I never said or shooting down allegations that I said them. So if I feel that I never said that, I want an actual quote, so when I say "Devin Hester is an NFL receiver" it isn't turned into "Irish Boy thinks Devin Hester is an all-pro wide receiver". It's tiresome to have to reiterate your position over and over again, so by simply writing "John Kirk rule", I save myself and everyone else the time. You can just assume that I never said whatever was claimed, unless there's a quote to the contrary.

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So what's the John Kirk rule? That you have to find the exact quote of what someone says?


On two separate occasions IB posted a message stating that he would prefer Lovie Smith as a head coach over Gruden, Shanahan, Billick or Holmgren. IB also posted a few times about the Bears WR's defending their play & stats. When I recently posted a message laughing at the stupidity of IB's comments, rather than admitting that he made these comments, he responded with the JK rule.
I didn't make these things up folks & a few of you who PM'd me remember the comments.

If you're going to make comments. at least have the conviction to stand behind them, or have the balls to admit you were wrong.

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So what's the John Kirk rule? That you have to find the exact quote of what someone says?


On two separate occasions IB posted a message stating that he would prefer Lovie Smith as a head coach over Gruden, Shanahan, Billick or Holmgren. IB also posted a few times about the Bears WR's defending their play & stats. When I recently posted a message laughing at the stupidity of IB's comments, rather than admitting that he made these comments, he responded with the JK rule.
I didn't make these things up folks & a few of you who PM'd me remember the comments.

If you're going to make comments. at least have the conviction to stand behind them, or have the balls to admit you were wrong.

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As annoying and already tired as it is, I'm glad its the 'JOHN KIRK RULE' and not the 'Scorehead Rule'

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