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Jeremy Bates, a highly-regarded quarterbacks coach with 7 years of NFL experience, is in his first year at USC. He joined the Trojan staff in January of 2009 and serves as the quarterbacks coach and assistant head coach of the offense.

Bates, 32, handled the Broncos' quarterbacks in 2008-when he called plays for the NFL's No. 2 offense and helped Jay Cutler reach the Pro Bowl-after working with their quarterbacks and wide receivers in 2007. He was an offensive assistant when he first came to the Broncos in 2006, working primarily with the offensive line.

Bates began his coaching career with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, serving as the offensive quality control coach for 2 years (2002-03), then becoming the Buccaneers' assistant quarterback coach in 2004. Tampa Bay won Super Bowl XXXVII in 2002.

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Jeremy Bates, a highly-regarded quarterbacks coach with 7 years of NFL experience, is in his first year at USC. He joined the Trojan staff in January of 2009 and serves as the quarterbacks coach and assistant head coach of the offense.

Bates, 32, handled the Broncos' quarterbacks in 2008-when he called plays for the NFL's No. 2 offense and helped Jay Cutler reach the Pro Bowl-after working with their quarterbacks and wide receivers in 2007. He was an offensive assistant when he first came to the Broncos in 2006, working primarily with the offensive line.

Bates began his coaching career with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, serving as the offensive quality control coach for 2 years (2002-03), then becoming the Buccaneers' assistant quarterback coach in 2004. Tampa Bay won Super Bowl XXXVII in 2002.

You might want to go back and watch some USC games from this year.

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Jeremy Bates, a highly-regarded quarterbacks coach with 7 years of NFL experience, is in his first year at USC. He joined the Trojan staff in January of 2009 and serves as the quarterbacks coach and assistant head coach of the offense.

Bates, 32, handled the Broncos' quarterbacks in 2008-when he called plays for the NFL's No. 2 offense and helped Jay Cutler reach the Pro Bowl-after working with their quarterbacks and wide receivers in 2007. He was an offensive assistant when he first came to the Broncos in 2006, working primarily with the offensive line.

Bates began his coaching career with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, serving as the offensive quality control coach for 2 years (2002-03), then becoming the Buccaneers' assistant quarterback coach in 2004. Tampa Bay won Super Bowl XXXVII in 2002.

You might want to go back and watch some USC games from this year.


It dont matter, Cutler loves him.

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Jeremy Bates, a highly-regarded quarterbacks coach with 7 years of NFL experience, is in his first year at USC. He joined the Trojan staff in January of 2009 and serves as the quarterbacks coach and assistant head coach of the offense.

Bates, 32, handled the Broncos' quarterbacks in 2008-when he called plays for the NFL's No. 2 offense and helped Jay Cutler reach the Pro Bowl-after working with their quarterbacks and wide receivers in 2007. He was an offensive assistant when he first came to the Broncos in 2006, working primarily with the offensive line.

Bates began his coaching career with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, serving as the offensive quality control coach for 2 years (2002-03), then becoming the Buccaneers' assistant quarterback coach in 2004. Tampa Bay won Super Bowl XXXVII in 2002.

You might want to go back and watch some USC games from this year.


It dont matter, Cutler loves him.

Well then, by all means, lets handicap the franchise for the foreseeable future to appease Jay Cutler.

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Well then, by all means, lets handicap the franchise for the foreseeable future to appease Jay Cutler.


I know, I don't agree with, just that will be the reasoning.

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He called plays for the #2 ranked Bronco offense the same year Cutler went to pro bowl. He is the coordinator of a team that has a true freshman QB and the offense still played well enough to win most games. It was the defense that couldn't stop anyone. Of course IB already knows he will handicap the Bears even before he has been offered the job.

Of course I know that USC fans are POed at the way the offense has been handled this year and feel like Barkley regressed during the course of the year. Bates is the fall guy. But by all means, since Jay hearts Bates, lets bring him in. Anything to make him happy.

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Let's ignore the fact he had a true freshman at QB. Let's also ignore the fact he called the plays for the #2 ranked Bronco offense the year Cutler went to pro bowl. Finding another reason to bash Cutler is all that matters.

I'm not bashing Cutler. I'm bashing the impulse that every action hereafter taken by the Bears organization must be done so as to appease Jay Cutler.

He had the leading high school recruit in the nation at QB, one of the most stocked backfields in recruiting history, Damien Williams (among others) at WR, and the usual USC offensive line. Things did not go all that well. But sure, John Shoop II sounds good to me.

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So the quarterbacks coach of a college program is going to be hired as an offensive coordinator of a professional team? Am I missing something? Then again, this is the Bears we're talking about here.

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Sorry, I didn't really follow the Broncos. Why was the QB coach calling the offensive plays to begin with?


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He was with the Bucs, Jets and Broncos. I figure he will go where Shanahan goes.


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Alright IB what would you do if you were the Bears right now? How do you fix them?


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I'm less concerned about coaching that I am about personnel. If there's a coaching change, then fine, but it's not going to matter unless some of the holes get filled.

On defense, you can pencil in Gaines Adams as a starter next year on the line and probably no one else. You're stuck with that at this point. Brown and Ogunleye should be released. I'd try to renegotiate Tommy Harris's contract and reduce the cap hit for the coming season, but outright releasing him would be a mistake, unless he's adamant about not renegotiating, and then I'd think about it, but still probably live with the cap hit unless there's someone out there that sneaks through to unrestricted free agency who is really appealing. There's a loaded DE free agent class this year in theory, but there's no telling who will actually get through. Pray that Julius Peppers sneaks through.

Linebacker is set for next year with Briggs, Urlacher, and Hillenmeyer.

Secondary looks set at two positions with Tillman and Afalava, and I suppose you can live with Bowman on the other side, but I'm not wild about it. If you can sign a decent safety alongside Afalava, fine, but not if it prevents you from making a big signing at DE. Chances are the best thing to do there is continue playing late-round draft roulette.

On offense, Pace is probably retired, and if not, he's gone. The Kreutz situation is up in the air, but if he can get over himself I'd keep him. Both tackle positions seem set. Guards are the easiest position to pick up in the middle rounds, and I'd have at least two interior linemen drafted by the end of round four.

It's not worth chasing a WR free agent unless you can get Marshall or Boldin, and getting either of those two would mean not getting a DE. If there are no defensive ends to get in free agency, fine, go after those two, but the defense is going to suck from lack of pass rush. There's a logjam at WR right now, with a lot of guys with very similar skill sets. If someone wants to take Johnny Knox off my hands for a third or fourth, great, I just improved my draft pick from last year. Iglesias has to see the field as well. I don't think this is vital.

A veteran guy has to be brought in to push Forte, but there's probably not going to be anyone worth getting in free agency. There you're just going to have to pray for improvement. Kahlil Bell will get a chance to try out for a spot on the team and no more.

As for coaching, it's a given that both coordinators are gone. I'd have feelers for Schottenheimer, Cowher, and Harbaugh. If all are lukewarm on the offer, I force the coordinators out and give Lovie an additional year. If Lovie refuses, he's gone, and the chips fall where they may. As for the coordinator positions, I want someone with a pedigree of wide-open passing. If you have four #2 receivers on the team and a better-than-average TE in Olsen, then I want them all on the field at the same time, and I want the ball in the air. If Raheem Morris is out in Tampa I see if he wants to be DC.

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I'm less concerned about coaching that I am about personnel. If there's a coaching change, then fine, but it's not going to matter unless some of the holes get filled.

On defense, you can pencil in Gaines Adams as a starter next year on the line and probably no one else. You're stuck with that at this point. Brown and Ogunleye should be released. I'd try to renegotiate Tommy Harris's contract and reduce the cap hit for the coming season, but outright releasing him would be a mistake, unless he's adamant about not renegotiating, and then I'd think about it, but still probably live with the cap hit unless there's someone out there that sneaks through to unrestricted free agency who is really appealing. There's a loaded DE free agent class this year in theory, but there's no telling who will actually get through. Pray that Julius Peppers sneaks through.

Linebacker is set for next year with Briggs, Urlacher, and Hillenmeyer.

Secondary looks set at two positions with Tillman and Afalava, and I suppose you can live with Bowman on the other side, but I'm not wild about it. If you can sign a decent safety alongside Afalava, fine, but not if it prevents you from making a big signing at DE. Chances are the best thing to do there is continue playing late-round draft roulette.

On offense, Pace is probably retired, and if not, he's gone. The Kreutz situation is up in the air, but if he can get over himself I'd keep him. Both tackle positions seem set. Guards are the easiest position to pick up in the middle rounds, and I'd have at least two interior linemen drafted by the end of round four.

It's not worth chasing a WR free agent unless you can get Marshall or Boldin, and getting either of those two would mean not getting a DE. If there are no defensive ends to get in free agency, fine, go after those two, but the defense is going to suck from lack of pass rush. There's a logjam at WR right now, with a lot of guys with very similar skill sets. If someone wants to take Johnny Knox off my hands for a third or fourth, great, I just improved my draft pick from last year. Iglesias has to see the field as well. I don't think this is vital.

A veteran guy has to be brought in to push Forte, but there's probably not going to be anyone worth getting in free agency. There you're just going to have to pray for improvement. Kahlil Bell will get a chance to try out for a spot on the team and no more.

As for coaching, it's a given that both coordinators are gone. I'd have feelers for Schottenheimer, Cowher, and Harbaugh. If all are lukewarm on the offer, I force the coordinators out and give Lovie an additional year. If Lovie refuses, he's gone, and the chips fall where they may. As for the coordinator positions, I want someone with a pedigree of wide-open passing. If you have four #2 receivers on the team and a better-than-average TE in Olsen, then I want them all on the field at the same time, and I want the ball in the air. If Raheem Morris is out in Tampa I see if he wants to be DC.


You mean Brian Schottenheimer, not Marty, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Your next Bears OC!
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Let's ignore the fact he had a true freshman at QB. Let's also ignore the fact he called the plays for the #2 ranked Bronco offense the year Cutler went to pro bowl. Finding another reason to bash Cutler is all that matters.

I'm not bashing Cutler. I'm bashing the impulse that every action hereafter taken by the Bears organization must be done so as to appease Jay Cutler.

He had the leading high school recruit in the nation at QB, one of the most stocked backfields in recruiting history, Damien Williams (among others) at WR, and the usual USC offensive line. Things did not go all that well. But sure, John Shoop II sounds good to me.


Bringing in a guy to run a system that he and Jay Cutler had success in is John Shoop II? Really? He called plays for the BEST offense in the league next to the Saints and they didn't have a real RB.

Yes. It's not his offense. Calling plays is important but being an OC entails much more. He has more responsibilities at USC and he's botched them thus far. Merely being the playcaller is the easy part. If it was integral Shanahan wouldn't delegate it.

If he were to be the OC under Smith, the offense would be his entirely. That's too much responsibility. If Smith isn't the head coach, you can't dictate the OC. And if you're saying just to bring him in as QB coach, then fine, just with no other responsibilities with the offense.

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Maybe we should just let Cutler call his own plays and be the OC?

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I'm less concerned about coaching that I am about personnel. If there's a coaching change, then fine, but it's not going to matter unless some of the holes get filled.

On defense, you can pencil in Gaines Adams as a starter next year on the line and probably no one else. You're stuck with that at this point. Brown and Ogunleye should be released. I'd try to renegotiate Tommy Harris's contract and reduce the cap hit for the coming season, but outright releasing him would be a mistake, unless he's adamant about not renegotiating, and then I'd think about it, but still probably live with the cap hit unless there's someone out there that sneaks through to unrestricted free agency who is really appealing. There's a loaded DE free agent class this year in theory, but there's no telling who will actually get through. Pray that Julius Peppers sneaks through.

Linebacker is set for next year with Briggs, Urlacher, and Hillenmeyer.

Secondary looks set at two positions with Tillman and Afalava, and I suppose you can live with Bowman on the other side, but I'm not wild about it. If you can sign a decent safety alongside Afalava, fine, but not if it prevents you from making a big signing at DE. Chances are the best thing to do there is continue playing late-round draft roulette.

On offense, Pace is probably retired, and if not, he's gone. The Kreutz situation is up in the air, but if he can get over himself I'd keep him. Both tackle positions seem set. Guards are the easiest position to pick up in the middle rounds, and I'd have at least two interior linemen drafted by the end of round four.

It's not worth chasing a WR free agent unless you can get Marshall or Boldin, and getting either of those two would mean not getting a DE. If there are no defensive ends to get in free agency, fine, go after those two, but the defense is going to suck from lack of pass rush. There's a logjam at WR right now, with a lot of guys with very similar skill sets. If someone wants to take Johnny Knox off my hands for a third or fourth, great, I just improved my draft pick from last year. Iglesias has to see the field as well. I don't think this is vital.

A veteran guy has to be brought in to push Forte, but there's probably not going to be anyone worth getting in free agency. There you're just going to have to pray for improvement. Kahlil Bell will get a chance to try out for a spot on the team and no more.

As for coaching, it's a given that both coordinators are gone. I'd have feelers for Schottenheimer, Cowher, and Harbaugh. If all are lukewarm on the offer, I force the coordinators out and give Lovie an additional year. If Lovie refuses, he's gone, and the chips fall where they may. As for the coordinator positions, I want someone with a pedigree of wide-open passing. If you have four #2 receivers on the team and a better-than-average TE in Olsen, then I want them all on the field at the same time, and I want the ball in the air. If Raheem Morris is out in Tampa I see if he wants to be DC.


Couldn't have been written better than anyone else at Pro Football Weekly, congrats. :wink:

While I tend to agree with you about being skeptical about bringing in Cutler's guy as OC, the rationale you follow is off IMO. Nas is right, the guy had a bunch of 18-19 yr. olds, led by a preening, self-entitled 19 yr. old who reads every press clipping and whose dad (re-)posted the glowing ones. It isn't fair to damn him because St. Matt B's warts were exposed on the field...along with the overrated Trojan D.

I simply wouldn't trust Cutler to make this call. Why would any sane organization put this kind of authority in the hands of a kid who has never won at any real level, and worse, seems to lack perspective?

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I'm less concerned about coaching that I am about personnel. If there's a coaching change, then fine, but it's not going to matter unless some of the holes get filled.

On defense, you can pencil in Gaines Adams as a starter next year on the line and probably no one else. You're stuck with that at this point. Brown and Ogunleye should be released. I'd try to renegotiate Tommy Harris's contract and reduce the cap hit for the coming season, but outright releasing him would be a mistake, unless he's adamant about not renegotiating, and then I'd think about it, but still probably live with the cap hit unless there's someone out there that sneaks through to unrestricted free agency who is really appealing. There's a loaded DE free agent class this year in theory, but there's no telling who will actually get through. Pray that Julius Peppers sneaks through.

Linebacker is set for next year with Briggs, Urlacher, and Hillenmeyer.

Secondary looks set at two positions with Tillman and Afalava, and I suppose you can live with Bowman on the other side, but I'm not wild about it. If you can sign a decent safety alongside Afalava, fine, but not if it prevents you from making a big signing at DE. Chances are the best thing to do there is continue playing late-round draft roulette.

On offense, Pace is probably retired, and if not, he's gone. The Kreutz situation is up in the air, but if he can get over himself I'd keep him. Both tackle positions seem set. Guards are the easiest position to pick up in the middle rounds, and I'd have at least two interior linemen drafted by the end of round four.

It's not worth chasing a WR free agent unless you can get Marshall or Boldin, and getting either of those two would mean not getting a DE. If there are no defensive ends to get in free agency, fine, go after those two, but the defense is going to suck from lack of pass rush. There's a logjam at WR right now, with a lot of guys with very similar skill sets. If someone wants to take Johnny Knox off my hands for a third or fourth, great, I just improved my draft pick from last year. Iglesias has to see the field as well. I don't think this is vital.

A veteran guy has to be brought in to push Forte, but there's probably not going to be anyone worth getting in free agency. There you're just going to have to pray for improvement. Kahlil Bell will get a chance to try out for a spot on the team and no more.

As for coaching, it's a given that both coordinators are gone. I'd have feelers for Schottenheimer, Cowher, and Harbaugh. If all are lukewarm on the offer, I force the coordinators out and give Lovie an additional year. If Lovie refuses, he's gone, and the chips fall where they may. As for the coordinator positions, I want someone with a pedigree of wide-open passing. If you have four #2 receivers on the team and a better-than-average TE in Olsen, then I want them all on the field at the same time, and I want the ball in the air. If Raheem Morris is out in Tampa I see if he wants to be DC.


Couldn't have been written better than anyone else at Pro Football Weekly, congrats. :wink:

While I tend to agree with you about being skeptical about bringing in Cutler's guy as OC, the rationale you follow is off IMO. Nas is right, the guy had a bunch of 18-19 yr. olds, led by a preening, self-entitled 19 yr. old who reads every press clipping and whose dad (re-)posted the glowing ones. It isn't fair to damn him because St. Matt B's warts were exposed on the field...along with the overrated Trojan D.

I simply wouldn't trust Cutler to make this call. Why would any sane organization put this kind of authority in the hands of a kid who has never won at any real level, and worse, seems to lack perspective?


The problem is, who can we trust from the Bears organization to choose the next HC & OC? Lovie? Angelo? Phillips? Virginia? No, no, no, & no.

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Jay Cutler's 2008 season is become legendary on this forum.

Is there any way that we can hire the equipment manager from that team too?

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The hardest part of putting in a new system is having a new system. He has no system. He may know the Shanahan system, but these things aren't static, and you don't know that this is someone that can design and adapt at an NFL level. We don't even know that he can do it at the NCAA level. If he is the OC, there's no higher power, at least with Smith as coach. It's all him, and if he cannot adapt the Shanahan system successfully, you'll have a Terry Shea situation. And if you hire a new coach, you cannot order him to hire a particular OC.

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Jay Cutler's 2008 season is become legendary on this forum.

Is there any way that we can hire the equipment manager from that team too?


And the groundskeeper as well :lol:

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The hardest part of putting in a new system is having a new system. He has no system. He may know the Shanahan system, but these things aren't static, and you don't know that this is someone that can design and adapt at an NFL level.


Josh McDaniel, formerly of the NEngland "system", Mike Martz, formerly of the "Greatest Show on Turf" system would agree.

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I want the Bears to bring in a guy that Cutler is comfortable with and a system that he knows. He is the most important guy on offense and is considered the face of the franchise.
Wouldn't these also be the same guys who coached him for three years and were unable to fix the major flaws in his game? You can't honestly believe that the problems we see with Cutler started the day he was traded do you? They have been magnified some by not having Brandon Marshall to save him but they are there and anyone who coached him in Denver failed to fix them.

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With the exception of this season Cutler has played well enough to win at every level.
You don't mean college do you?
He went 2-9 his first year and 5-6 his second year.

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He was right about Devin A. With the exception of this season Cutler has played well enough to win at every level.


One, "DA" went against a gimpy Winfield. Any decent pro WR should've eaten him for lunch in the man to man situations they had him in. Two, this was one game....period. Three, where exactly has Cutler played well enough to win? No one player can win a game, but when you're always playing on an overmatched team always trailing badly, do gaudy statistics really mean much?

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 Post subject: Re: Your next Bears OC!
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That's a fair argument but he was essentially the de facto coordinator in Denver.


That's a massive stretch in the Shanahan regime. Shanahan's insistence on total O control got him fired in Oakland & the lack of focus on anything other than the O got him fired in Denver.

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 Post subject: Re: Your next Bears OC!
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The hardest part of putting in a new system is having a new system. He has no system. He may know the Shanahan system, but these things aren't static, and you don't know that this is someone that can design and adapt at an NFL level. We don't even know that he can do it at the NCAA level. If he is the OC, there's no higher power, at least with Smith as coach. It's all him, and if he cannot adapt the Shanahan system successfully, you'll have a Terry Shea situation. And if you hire a new coach, you cannot order him to hire a particular OC.


That's a fair argument but he was essentially the de facto coordinator in Denver.

Definitely not true in Denver. Shanahan ran the show, regardless of who called the plays. Shanahan is about as hands-on of a coach as you're going to get, for better or worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Your next Bears OC!
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I want the Bears to bring in a guy that Cutler is comfortable with and a system that he knows. He is the most important guy on offense and is considered the face of the franchise.
Wouldn't these also be the same guys who coached him for three years and were unable to fix the major flaws in his game? You can't honestly believe that the problems we see with Cutler started the day he was traded do you? They have been magnified some by not having Brandon Marshall to save him but they are there and anyone who coached him in Denver failed to fix them.


You do realize he didn't throw every pass to Marshall? You do realize that Marshall was just "a guy" until Cutler became the starter?

Marshall was drafted the same year as Cutler. Come on Nas, this is a stretch.

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