I fully want/wanted Angelo gone too.

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If it's that hard to find guys to play your system, maybe it's not a very good system.

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Adam Archuleta made him expendable. Who's to blame for that?

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It probably would have been worse next year. My fear is that will be the same next year and now worse the year after that. A wasted year but Virginia saved $15 million so I guess that's OK.

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Because he had a dominating defense. Since then, the defense hasn't just merely declined, its fallen off the face of the earth.

Ok, he made the playoffs in back to back years. They lost to the Panthers because he refused to abandon his scheme and double-cover Steve Smith. They lost to the Colts because he refused to abandon his scheme and stop the Colts from dinking and dunking underneath. He also called a timeout with 2 seconds left against Seattle which put his team in a position to lose rather than a position to win-- something that with clock mismangement, wasting timeouts, and poor challenges he does several times a season. He allowed Ron Turner to run a fullback draw on countless 3rd and 4th and shorts, turning the ball over on downs.

He is under .500 since the Super Bowl, has made countless bad coaching moves and bad personel desicions. A lot of it is on the players and a lot of it is on Angelo too, but Lovie has put this team in a postion to lose moreso than a position to win. Thats pitiful, and he deserved to get his ass fired. But because of that early "success" he sticks around because of his salary.

The worst part about him coming back is that its probably going to be another year of Jay Cutler's wasted with a shit team and bad coaching.

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I think it's both. You're wasting money and NOT upgrading your coach, IMO. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle. But chances are you dont. The talent isn't there yet. Hiring a new coach would set this team back more than keeping Lovie another year or two. And it would be alot more expensive.

The talent isn't there, but injuries also have been more problematic than with other franchises I would guess. It's not the system, it's the players. I believe the Colts run the most similar defense to the Bears. It's a solid defense. Granted, they have Freeny and Mathis. But they've also plugged in rookie CB's this year that have done better than the Bears CB's. Minnesota's defense isn't all that different than the Bears either. The talent hasn't been there to produce the results that some magically expect just by changing the Head Coach.

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They lost to the Colts because the Colts were a better team that year.

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And has the head coach, Lovie SHOULD HAVE stepped in and said, "Ron we need to X to stop this ground game"

But, he didn't. Failure on his part. Just like he allowed Ron Turner to continue to run bad plays.

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It's usually a sign of good coaches to trust their coordinators. That's why they have them. If the HC has to continually correct them, they need to be replaced. It's not the HC's job to babysit professional coordinators.

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Year 1: Craig Krenzel
Year 2: Starting qb and backup go down, 11-5 Wins division
Year 3: Centerpiece of defense gone in week 12, Goes to Super Bowl
Year 4: QB Roulette, Angelo's #4 pick declared a bust 7-9
Year 5: With Kyle Orton and a terrible line put together by Angelo- 9-7
Year 6: Star MLB out for season in week 1, New Franchise qb throws 26 ints 7-9

I know all coaches have to deal with injuries etc. but do most coaches lose their starting QB or their best defensive players in 5 of 6 years?

I think Lovie has done well despite the obstacles.

I'd aruge (for the reasons that I pointed out above) the Bears have had success over the past 5 years in spite of Lovie Smith and not beacuse of him.

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What do they define insanity as? Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results? They should have fired Lovie, Jerry, and Ted and spent money on quality replacements while getting all the money back by going into next year with a bunch of nobodies at the salary floor. Bring back the scab Spare Bears. That's a good financial decision.

So then you think Angelo has done a good job of getting Lovie talented players, and Lovie has caused them to underachieve?

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Who is the best defensive player on that team for the past decade? Brian Urlacher. How does he utilize that talent? He drops him back into coverage all the f'n time.

You take a guy that was getting 6,7,8 sacks a year and over a hundred tackles, a couple picks and you turn him into a glorified safety. The guy went 2 whole seasons without a sack. This freak of speed and size can't find the QB all of a sudden. But, hey, that's what that position needs to do in the system.

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Nas give me one solid example over the past 2 seasons where Lovie has put his team in a position to win rather than lose. 1 decision that Lovie himself has made.

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You guys are still ignoring the fact that nearly everyone believes that Lovie is simply a lame duck coach.

If Lovie is really that good of a coach why is it nearly universal that he'll be fired without a miracle season next season?

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I dont think Urlacher was misused. He was a uniquely talented player, and was a HUGE reason the system succeeded when they got even adequate pressure from the front four(their job btw.) Urlacher's stats might not have been great, but his impact on the game was, and you saw that this year.

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Because in general most coaches cant go four years without making the playoffs. I doubt he'll be fired even next season if they make the playoffs. Lame duck coach refers to a coach with 1 year left, not 2.

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It was not nearly his best year.

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Copout. Give me one playcall or desicion that has helped the Bears win a game. Because with timeouts and bad challenges, I can name 2 or 3 off the top of my head where he has put them in a position to lose on Sunday.

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Just because he can play Lovie's system doesn't mean that is the best use of his talent. He's played the last 2 years and the defense was not good. He's past his prime now. I guess this is just my opinion but I felt he's been underutilized for what havoc he could create.

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He coached a pretty good game against Green Bay in Week 1. Vasher single covering Jennings at the end was a mistake, but they held Rodgers in check and overcame a horrendous game by Cutler to have the lead with a few minutes left.

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Smith scored on the second play from scrimmage because Tillman fell down.


They lost to the greatest QB of all time. They were done 1 td in the fourth quarter.



Cant and Wont argue that. That is bad.




Why judge only AFTER the Super bowl



I was unaware that Lovie was the GM. I dont care if he liked Archeletta. Its Angelo's call.




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Not true. His Winning Pct is 537. You cant just dismiss the success.


Why is lovie's success in quotes? What advantage does lovie have over other NFL coaches?

Yeah. Cutler's 26 int are on Lovie

Oh yeah, a coaching clinic there. Throwing the red flag to see if there were 12 guys on the field was a marvel of coaching.

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Most coaches don't survive three years without making the playoffs unless it's the first three years they are there.

A miracle run to the playoffs could save his job but it's likely he'll be just like Jim Zorn by week 8 next year. The only reason he wouldn't be fired is because of a lockout.

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I guess you could have moved him to OLB. MLB's rarely blitz alot. I still dont think that was the best use of his talent. Although it is certainly up for debate. I think he was one of the most dominant players in his prime, and if he was underutilized that's even more amazing.

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Actually, I think the first three years are the most likely time to fire a coach for not making the playoffs. After early success, you tend to give the coach more of a benefit of the doubt.

There's no way he'll be Zorn by week 8 next year. The Bears wont be nearly as bad as Washington was this year. If they are, it will be BY FAR Lovie's worst season as HC

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Like a Nas and RPB pointed out, you can only go by results. And the fact is they were on the road against what ended up being an 11-5 team, and barely lost. Sooner or later you have to pin it on the coach or the players. It's usually only both in cases of 3-4 win teams. Lovie's never lost less than 7 games.

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Isn't Lovie already "Jim Zorn"? His defensive play-calling duties have been taken away, he has zero interest/input on the offense, and he's widely regarded as being a "lame duck coach" next year.

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He has never been a good blitzer