The things you have listed could be said about every single person on the earth at different times. All of us exhibit these qualities at times. People on the radio and in the public have this magnified because so many eyes and hears are focused on them. But I fail to see how this correlates to ones actual intelligence.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Yeah but for him it's 4.5 hours 5 days a week. most people it's only a couple of posts per day.

Now that's a zinger...

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you are priceless spaulding, simply priceless.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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I think long-term feelings/opinions have a lot to do with this. It seems like the individual personalities of the hosts play a big role.

I was a die-hard, hardcore MJH fan. Listened all the time. Went to remotes. Entered/won contests. In my mind, they just had "it" that made them easy to listen to. Maybe it was filling a void, maybe it was chemistry, who knows? Therefore, I probably still have a favorable opinion of all those guys.

I've been to remotes involving all of the people being discussed here - some multiple times, some just once. I met/talked to most of them as well. For the most part, all of them are friendly, cordial, and pretty "regular". The only person I've never met on remote/otherwise is Bernstein. In person, IMO:

Jurko - awesome. Literally anyone could walk right up and carry on a conversation w/ him instantly. If you don't do that, he's gonna come up to you, so might as well beat him to it.

Harry - very, very friendly. Always willing to buy a round, possibly many. But he also has that "social butterfly" thing about him - when he's hanging out with you, he's always looking past you to see who else is in the room.

Boers - been to two remotes with him - talked to him at one w/ Holmes. It was........sterile/stale. Nothing special - both seemed like they didn't really want to be there. Just kind of going thru the motions if they weren't on the air.

Carm - actually very friendly. He doesn't seem as arrogant to me as some say. He seems more like he's perpetually "young", even though he's been around awhile now. Seems like he truly enjoys his job, which is important in this profession, IMO.

Mac - Again, very friendly. Usually spends a lot of time hanging with his "regulars" at remotes, but always makes time for everybody else. Always seems to have that frantic, 20 things to do at once type of thing going on too. Sherry (sp?) was awesome at the Cubs/Sox tailgate, so that bumps Mac a couple notches too.


My bottom line to the idea of RPB's original post:
CJH is not even close to the worst show on in Chicago, even if you think it's not the best in it's slot. It seems odd to me to single Harry out as an "albatross" to his show (which may be true), when the B&B show has the same type of weight around it's neck.

That's all.

**edited for spelling/grammar FU's.

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It is interesting to note as RPB I think pointed out in another thread. When MJH was going strong there was a ton of activity in their forum here. There is always a ton of activity in the B&B forum here. But the Saloon has crickets going on now. Obviously that does not tell the whole story, but it seems for the most part the Saloon is ignored by the board.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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That's true. But here are two big reasons for that, among many:

1. Mac is a HUGE reason why a lot of us are here in the first place (myself included). He's not there in any more, so neither are we.

2. They are not the MJH which so many of us liked. Mac could have been replaced w/ Stern, the post counts would have dropped.


BTW - The B&B section picks up a lot of traffic as a direct result of one singular, race baiting poster who shall not be named at this time. Take him out of the equation, and the number of posts relating to them drops significantly.

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There's speculation now he's even creating mults to argue with himself

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I don't think Nas frequents the B&B section very much.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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No, the other one.

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Spanky has made some good points. MJH was awesome. Maybe its like a band replacing their lead singer. Its never the same. That may be PART of it. But the thing about it not being the worst? I honestly would rather listen to every other show currently on, for one reason or another. Some I listen to because I respect their opinion, some to laught, some to laugh at (holmes). Ive actually chosen to listen to Larry fuckn Holmes over the BEST of CJH.

Oh and I forgot about Harrys days as a reporter for Mike n Mike and producing Spike. So I guess he did work his way up. Still he feels like an outsider to the radio/newspaper group.

I dunno as I've never been to any radio location events, but Silvy seems to enjoy doing the on-location aspect of his job--bar nights for watching games etc. He seems like he'd be well-suited for the afternoon time-slot where weekly on-location broadcasts are typical and better attended AND Silvy could attend games/bar-nights/other week night events and still get his beauty sleep.

Move Silvy to afternoons, let him openly mock Harry mercilessly and partner Carmen with Waddle and see how long they go til punches are thrown on air.

That is about as accurate a description of Berns as I've read. Countless times he will miss a caller's point because he is not listening and has already formulated his response based on the subject on the screen. Berns sounds very smart when he controls the reigns of the debate.
Spaulding is exactly right, he is not a good listener. I have been saying for almost four years that Berns without Terry is better with anyone other than LoHo. I really liked him with Rosie. They could just call the show "Two dicks, Wow".
I hope this is Terry's last contract. That being said, I still like the show

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That's is the frustrating part with Bernstein. He won't listen. He does get enough dumb callers to where he thinks they are all gonna be dumb. Some callers have a good point and he won't listen cuz he's anticipating stupidity. Or he's just trying to live up to what he's become. Bernstein is getting worse. He was better. It's still better than CJH and it's the best sports show in Chicago. Not saying much. I know.

I would think a good portion of B & B audience listens BECAUSE hes like that. "This fuckn guy is so smarmy, I wanna see what this jerk will say next" Thats why WWN and Scorehead listen. So whether he's truly intelligent or just well spoken doesnt matter. He's interesting at least. Maybe Spanky is right with the Boers/Harry thing. Both are tolerable while carried by a great host. Mac and Berns. No one is around to carry Harry anymore.

I just do not see the Boers and Harry comparison. Case in point. Terry and LoHo are actually a pretty good listen. Terry and Drinky the same. Terry and Goff the same. Harry would be awful with any of those. There is no host you can pair Harry with and make him decent.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Mac Jurko and Harry had a great show.

No doubt, but I think that had way more to do with Mac and Jurko than it did Harry. But I think you are missing my point here. You can put Terry with a lot of people and it is a good listen. You can't do that with Harry. Is Harry and Silvy a good listen? No. Is Harry and Carmen a good listen? No. Is Mac and Harry a good listen? No. Is Mac and Terry a good listen? Yes. That's why I don't see the Harry and Boers comparison. Terry has proven himself a good listen with a lot of guys. Harry has only done it with Mac and Jurko and that is only because they carried him.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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no but as difficult as a time Mac, Jurko and Harry may have had with each other I think they brought out the best and kept down the worst in each other. When one would be out the show was never as good. It had a shelf life because that type of work enviorment is tough.

Terry can be paired with different people but he is lazy. Maybe more lazy from a work stand point than harry. Terry is good when he wants to be too bad it's so infrequent.

See you really agree with me, you just don't want to admit it Terry can be a good listen with others. Harry can't. Therefore the Harry and Terry comparison is not valid.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Yeah but does anybody really like him? That's more the argument. Way more often than not he's bad.

The Saloon desperately needs a visit from a drunken Will Munny

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Changing the rules as we go huh? Remember I live in a house with all females, I know this game quite well.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

MJH was a decent show. I was 50/50 between the two when they were around.

I think, with Terry, you just accept him. It's not about likeing him or hating him with listeners. He's been around so long that it's just the way it is. Nobody really feels the need to complain about him too much. I rarely do. I don't see others here complain about him other than his "false peeps" and knowing stuff after the fact. It's Bernstein's show. Terry is just there.

Terry has definitely benefited from good partners. He's been lucky. That's allowed him to skate without having talent. He had Mac for 8 years and Bernsie for 10 years.

Harry blows, Carm is annoying and I don't understand all the Jurko love.

My fight wasn't about Terry/Harry it was about Bernstein. Terry is fine when he wants to be, too bad that is about 1 day a month.

You are persistent

I get that, but a few posts ago when the topic switched back to the comparison of Harry and Terry, you sided with the fact that it was a valid comparison. So it isn't like you had nothing to say about that.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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I'll sign this. I can't stand Harry, and NEVER liked DeFalco.

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