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Of all the teams with cap room the Bulls are in the best position to win a title. If you are a free agent looking to win then the Bulls would be your first stop.

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if you remembered how big of a joke this team has been for much of the last 3 or 4 years, you might find greener pastures elsewhere.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:16 pm 
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Of all the teams with cap room the Bulls are in the best position to win a title. If you are a free agent looking to win then the Bulls would be your first stop.


You think they are in a better position than the Cavs and Heat?

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Cavs and the Heat aren't as much of a concern as the Nets and the Knicks, imho.

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RFDC wrote:
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Of all the teams with cap room the Bulls are in the best position to win a title. If you are a free agent looking to win then the Bulls would be your first stop.


You think they are in a better position than the Cavs and Heat?


Cavs don't have any cap room. The Heat have Beasley and possibly Wade and no one else. The Bulls have a lot more to offer plus draft picks.

Rose
Noah
Deng
Hinrich
Taj
2 first round picks

No other team with cap space has more to offer

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:02 am 
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RFDC wrote:
HOVA wrote:
Of all the teams with cap room the Bulls are in the best position to win a title. If you are a free agent looking to win then the Bulls would be your first stop.


You think they are in a better position than the Cavs and Heat?

Th Heat are worse than the Bulls this year. Besides Wade (who might be leaving), that team has nothing.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:20 am 
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Cavs and the Heat aren't as much of a concern as the Nets and the Knicks, imho.


While they both have substantial cap room, those are two of the biggest dog shit teams in the league.

The Knicks have room for two Max guys, but if they don't get two, they won't get one. There is nothing on that team, except maybe for David Lee who doesn't play defense.

I was in NYC this week and NO ONE thinks the move of the Nets to Brooklyn will happen - the Atlantic Yards project (of which the Barclay's Center is a center piece) still does not have financing/complete approval. Ultimately, the team may wind up full time in Newark - they announced a deal yesterday to play in Newark at the Prudential Center (home of the Devils) for the next two years. http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/0 ... prude.html


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HOVA wrote:
RFDC wrote:
HOVA wrote:
Of all the teams with cap room the Bulls are in the best position to win a title. If you are a free agent looking to win then the Bulls would be your first stop.


You think they are in a better position than the Cavs and Heat?


Cavs don't have any cap room. The Heat have Beasley and possibly Wade and no one else. The Bulls have a lot more to offer plus draft picks.

Rose
Noah
Deng
Hinrich
Taj
2 first round picks

No other team with cap space has more to offer



And coach Vinny. Wait....scratch that last one....

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 Post subject: Re: Cap teams
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:29 am 
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Douchebag wrote:
RFDC wrote:
HOVA wrote:
Of all the teams with cap room the Bulls are in the best position to win a title. If you are a free agent looking to win then the Bulls would be your first stop.


You think they are in a better position than the Cavs and Heat?

Th Heat are worse than the Bulls this year. Besides Wade (who might be leaving), that team has nothing.


I really hope you guys are right. I just worry that somehow the Cavs will end up keeping Lebron and getting another really good player and the Heat will keep Wade and get another good player and the Bulls will be left with the scraps and 5 years of finishing no better than 3rd or 4th in the East.

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If anyone remembers a decade ago when the Bulls were in a similar position with a lot of salary cap room, it was between the Bulls & Magic in regards to having the most room to offer free agents the most money. One of the biggest reasons why free agents chose Orlando over Chicago actually had more to do with the fact that Florida didn't tax its athletes, not because the Bulls really sucked when Tim Floyd (remember him?) had basically nothing to work with. Back then, Michael Jordan retired, head coach Phil Jackson rode off into the sunset, and the "Two Jerrys", Reinsdorf & Krause, broke up the 6-Time NBA Champions following the 1998 lockout. I hope history doesn't repeat itself, especially because the Bulls have a drawing card with Derrick Rose and the Knicks simply don't.


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The Florida Advantage (no state income on residents) is less of an upside to Florida teams and athletes than it was in 2000. Many states now charge VISITING athletes state income tax for games played in their states. So of the 82 games a Florida-based NBA player plays during a given season, they could be taxed up to 41 of them by other states.

As an example ... if the Heat plays the Nets in New Jersey 3 times, the state of NJ will tax that athlete for 3/82nd of his earnings.

Still an advantage, but not the huge advantage it was during the TMac, Grant Hill pursuit.


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HOVA wrote:
Cavs don't have any cap room. The Heat have Beasley and possibly Wade and no one else. The Bulls have a lot more to offer plus draft picks.

Rose
Noah
Deng
Hinrich
Taj
2 first round picks

No other team with cap space has more to offer


Damn, you're kind-of makin' me a believer, HOVA, I hope that Pax/Forman's highly-touted nucleus is enough to inspire a big FA to come here, but...

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I just worry that somehow the Cavs will end up keeping Lebron and getting another really good player and the Heat will keep Wade and get another good player and the Bulls will be left with the scraps and 5 years of finishing no better than 3rd or 4th in the East.


This really sucks, RFDC :lol: I think the Cub fan in each of us kills our buzz for our other teams :x


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:37 pm 
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Since there's some mystery as to who has room for what I copied this from ESPN
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Room for two

Miami Heat: $30.67 million in 2010-11 payroll
We should assume Dwyane Wade will opt out of the final year of his $17.15 million contract. That leaves Michael Beasley and Daequan Cook as the only players the Heat are locked into, and their combined contracts total $7.13 million for 2010-11. Miami also has a couple of mid-first-round draft picks (theirs and Toronto's), which would commit them to another $2.5 million. Miami owns a $4.6 million team option on James Jones and a very reasonable $847,000 team option on young point guard Mario Chalmers. (Hypothetically, let's say they decline the first option and pick up the second.) Even after you include roster charges for five players (let's assume the other two roster spots are filled by big names), the Heat have bundles of money to spend (almost $40 million!), enough for two maximum contracts -- so long as Wade is one of them, since he'll count against their cap number. After that, they could still throw max dollars at one of the other marquee names.

New York Knicks: $18.64 million in 2010-11 payroll
No team in the league has been more aggressive about ridding themselves of contracts that extend past June, a process that continued Thursday when the Knicks unloaded Jared Jeffries in a three-team deal with Houston and Sacramento. That leaves Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Eddy Curry ($11.28 million player option) as the only figures on the books headed into the summer, totaling less than $18 million for those four players. Add eight minimum roster charges (the Knicks don't have a first-round pick) and you get a hair over $21.5 million, leaving New York with just enough money to extend two max contracts. They'd have to completely gut their roster to sign two max guys, and would have little to no chance to retain David Lee, whose rights they'd have to renounce.

Comfortably one

New Jersey Nets: $26.63 million in 2010-11 payroll
The Nets have seven players under contract for 2010-11, plus a very affordable $854,000 option on Chris Douglas-Roberts. For argument's sake, let's assume the Nets score the top pick in the draft (which would put them on the hook for $4.29 million), and keep Dallas' pick (another $1 million). We won't charge New Jersey for minimum roster charges, since those spots will likely be used for bigger names. That leaves the Nets with just over $31 million in salary commitments and somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 million to go shopping -- enough for one max player and a couple of decent pieces to bolster their roster.

Chicago Bulls: $31.85 million in 2010-11 payroll
That $31.85 million number includes the Bulls' core of Derrick Rose, Luol Deng, Joakim Noah and Kirk Hinrich, along with their pair of rookie forwards, Taj Gibson and James Johnson. We'll put the Bulls on the hook for a mid-first round draft pick, approximately $1.5 million, but table the conditional pick they received from Charlotte in the Tyrus Thomas deal. With seven roster spots accounted for, the Bulls will have about $20 million, enough to dangle a max contract in front of one of the top-tier free agents.

Washington Wizards: $41.02 million in 2010-11 payroll
It's a safe bet that they'll decline the team option on Josh Howard's $11.84 million. If we project that Quinton Ross exercises his $1.15 million player option and the Wizards hang onto their high draft pick (let's project it as the No. 4 overall pick) and Cleveland's late first-rounder, they'd be committed to roughly $33 million for eight bodies. Do they extend a $4.8 million qualifying offer to guard Randy Foye? If they do, that brings them up to approximately $38 million, maybe enough wiggle room to offer a max contract. Without Foye, they've got plenty to offer a max player.

Straddling the line

Sacramento Kings: $34.0 million in 2010-11 payroll
The Kings were central to the whirlwind deal with Houston and New York. The smoke has cleared, and Sacramento looks like they'll be accountable for around $36 million in salaries for 10 players if we assume they'll pick up the $3 million team option on Carl Landry and score the No. 5 pick in the 2010 draft (we'll leave the Kings' $946,000 team option on Joey Dorsey out for the time being). That's a nice chunk of change -- say $16-17 million -- for Sacramento to fill out their promising young roster. They probably won't lure a max player, but they'll be in prime position to add a couple of nice supporting actors.

Los Angeles Clippers: $33.53 million in 2010-11 payroll
By shipping Al Thornton to Washington and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland, the Clippers left themselves with only $35 million or so in commitments for five players and their first-round draft pick (we'll project the No. 10 overall pick). They'll need to fill at least six roster spots (so let's charge them another $2 million and change), but that would leave the Clips with enough shekels to offer a max deal, provided they renounce the likes of Travis Outlaw. If they fail to land one of the big names, they'll be able to round out their roster with some mid-level talent, or perhaps absorb an existing contract with a sign-and-trade.

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Minnesota Timberwolves: $35.17 million in 2010-11 payroll
Minnesota barely squeezes onto our list and they don't land here without a bunch of disclaimers. That number above represents the eight players Minnesota has under contract for the 2010-11 season, but doesn't include their boatload of first-round picks -- and Ricky Rubio, who will go back onto the Timberwolves' cap number next season. Those draft picks, each protected at a different level, amount to more than $7 million in salary commitments. Minnesota would have to perform some serious budgetary gymnastics to be eligible to extend a max contract to a free agent. They could opt to sell or move their picks, or ship some talent to a team with a trade exception. It'll be tough. Still, with all their young assets, draft picks and cap space, the Timberwolves figure to be legitimate players in the marketplace this summer, even if they can't nab a max player.

To review: Miami and maybe New York will be angling to sign two max players each. Another five teams will do everything in their power to pursue the free-agency elite. And, of course, all the big names (LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki) can re-up with their current teams. Kobe Bryant also has a player option that he's expected to pick up -- so long as the Lakers grant him an extension -- but anything is possible. If any of these premier players walk, their teams wouldn't be eligible to sign a new player to a maximum deal, because they'd be over the cap.

So while the Bulls look good, there's the risk 2 max guys team up in NY or MIA and figure they'll be better off with 2 max guys and some scrubs instead of Rose and some decent guys.


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Hey Nas, I thought you said the Heat were not in good position, by the looks of that, they may be in the best position???

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So the worst-case scenario has NY and Miami both grabbing two max contract guys, leaving the Bulls to duke it out with a bunch of other teams for the fifth-best player. By my estimation this appears to be someone like Carlos Boozer. Boozer is a decent player but not the kind of guy that turns around the direction of a franchise.

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Hey Nas, I thought you said the Heat were not in good position, by the looks of that, they may be in the best position???


I never said that. I said the Bulls were the most attractive team with cap space for players looking to win a title. They are. Because the Heat failed to put anyone around Wade he will likely walk. That leaves Beasley as the only good player on their team and they tried their best to trade him. My best guess is Wade or Bosh will be in Chicago next season. I would love to get LeBron but I doubt that will happen. The Bulls could also work out a sign and trade with Toronto for Bosh and still sign a guy like Wade or Johnson. The Bulls have more flexibility than any other team and they are better.

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Cavs and the Heat aren't as much of a concern as the Nets and the Knicks, imho.


While they both have substantial cap room, those are two of the biggest dog shit teams in the league.

The Knicks have room for two Max guys, but if they don't get two, they won't get one. There is nothing on that team, except maybe for David Lee who doesn't play defense.

I was in NYC this week and NO ONE thinks the move of the Nets to Brooklyn will happen - the Atlantic Yards project (of which the Barclay's Center is a center piece) still does not have financing/complete approval. Ultimately, the team may wind up full time in Newark - they announced a deal yesterday to play in Newark at the Prudential Center (home of the Devils) for the next two years. http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/0 ... prude.html


Thanks for that, I had no idea the Nets move was so far sunk. I think the Nets position is still pretty good, though, and they might be the 'dark horse' of the off-season.

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