I disagree with the thing you quoted, but I thought he should've been put in sometime in the 4th. Sometimes you just don't have it, it was obvious, there was not much to lose as they were prob going to lose, I would have put Griese in there.

i would of pulled rex after the 3rd int. but i'm not an nfl coach for a reason. with greise you know what you get. rex has better potential but just too many mistakes. in the long run rex is our man but if something like this happens in the playoffs we need to give him a very short leash.

[quote="Panther pislA"]I think it would made a bigger and more positive difference had they put Benson in earlier.

He seemed to be "trucking" tacklers better than Jones and his "James Allen/Lewis Tillman Shuffle" act.quote]

Agreed. The difference between Jones and Benson is that Benson catches the ball and turns up field. Jones catches the ball and does the Ickey Shuffle and gets a half a yard after the catch. I still think that Jones is the better back, but the gap is narrowing...

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Did anyone think Jones looked even slower than usual last night? There were a couple place where he appeared to have a lot of open space around him, but he did very little with it. Defenders exploded onto the screen and tackled him while he appeared to be running in quicksand. I don't think Benson has great speed either, but he certainly appears to have more power, explosiveness and vision. As I've been saying since the season started, Benson needs more playing time.

hell, id have rather seen orton in there over rex last nite. at least neckbeard would have thrown the ball to white jerseys.

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Brett Favre woulld not be Brett Favre if Holmgren pulled him after every 4 int game.

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Brett Favre woulld not be Brett Favre if Holmgren pulled him after every 4 int game.[/quote]

farve didn't throw as many interceptions in his early career like he has in the last 8 years. that being said, rex is no brett farve!!! i'm tired of the comparison. rex is more of a jimmy mac.

favre had 13 int's in his first full season! rex is almost there after 6 games! if favre had a game like last night majik man would of came in the game. favre 3rd season he had 24 pics but his backup sucked since majik man went to indy. rex is reminds me as much of favre as salaam does of payton.

you take out that second year and his first 5-6 years he had int's all in the teens. the year he won the superbowl he was in the teens. rex is on pace for a 20+ int year easily in his first full year starting! granted he still needs time to adjust but favre was more promising his first year starting.

we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. i'm just not sold on rex. he's had some good games and i think he throws a great long ball but i just don't think he has the patience, or touch, to be a prime-timer. of course i'd love for him to prove me wrong!

no, he throws a great long ball, ala kerry collins.

Except of course for almost every throw last night...

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I think you should capitalize "BAD." This was not an average bad game. This was a monumentally bad game by Rex. This was a bad game of epic proportions. Bad decision after bad decision, followed by just plain poorly thrown balls.

Don't get me wrong, I still think he's the man, but kool aid or not, I don't think now is the time to talk about how money he is (while his BAD performance is so fresh in everyone's minds).

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2 bad games! that minnesota game was piss-poor!

As far as his first five games go, in the NFL, you're only as good as your last game.

I just hope he's gotten it out of his system and that he'll now realize that a dump off is not always a bad thing. I still think he has great home run ability, but he needs to pick and choose the times to air it out. It should have been far worse last night.

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That's a bit of an overstatement. The dome is a tough place for an offense and the Vikings were bringing heat the entire day. It wasn't beautiful but it was acceptable.

Overall the guy is a work in progress who has shown us many reasons to feel good about his future. I would have expected a little, but not much more, from a QB entering his 4th year.

Philip Rivers spent two on the bench as well.

You guys?

By the way you are arguing about something that did not and is not going to happen. Like I said, this belongs in my future stupid topics thread.

Some of you guys are failing to differentiate between benching and replacing. Had Lovie decided to throw Griese in there after the 6th turnover, I would have been fine with it. Now if Lovie were to start Griese against San Fran, that’s a whole different story and I would strenuously object.

By the way, Nas, where did you pull that quote from, the one that started the thread? Is that just you paraphrasing the anti-Grossman fans, or did someone actually say/post that?

Nas, that was beyond struggling. That was the worst thing I’ve seen since Beverly Hills Cop 3. And it’s not about proving anything, it’s just about trying to win a football game. I was not yelling at the TV for Grossman’s head, just saying that bringing in Griese wouldn’t have been such a controversial move. Throwing him out there for the last quarter of the game doesn’t necessarily mean there is a quarterback controversy. It just means Rex didn’t have it last night, and maybe Griese can make something happen. Big deal.

Six, SIX turnovers by one single player. Passes sailing on him all night, throwing into triple coverage several times, or just lofting up balls, he was clearly off his game. He played the whole game and did nothing to help the team. He got lucky that the defense & Rackers bailed him out.

Are you saying the Bears should just chalk up these types of games as experience and not care about trying to get a win?

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English, motherfucker, do you speak it? The only one overreacting here is you, Nas. You're the one flipping out over a harmless debate.

It's not about demoting Rex to 2nd string. It's about giving Griese a shot to win the game. You play to win the game, not to protect Rex's pussy-ass feelings. To assume you can absorb a loss, to assume you have home field advantage locked up just 1/3 of the way into the season, that's horseshit! Until you have mathematically locked up the 1 seed, every game is critical. Rex was terrible last night. Yes, it was 1 game, so of course you don't demote him. But to suggest that giving Griese a shot to make something happen in the 4th quarter is retarded, that's just nonsense. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but to dismiss it as pure lunacy is bullshit.

Also, I have still yet to hear who it was that said Griese gives them a better chance overall and that Grossman is a fraud. I have not read it in the Bears section, or anywhere else on the board, nor have I heard it on the radio. Seems as though you have opened the thread with an exaggeration and are now projecting that exaggeration onto anyone that disagrees with you.

Good. Glad we've got that cleared up. And yes, I do realize the majority of the team played like shit. The problem I have is the inability by some to understand the difference between sitting a guy down temporarily and taking his job away. Christ, I'm starting to sound like Bernstein, but giving Griese a chance to spark the offense in 1 quarter of 1 game does not mean that Griese is a better quarterback than Grossman, nor does it mean that Rex has lost his starting job. It means he may (or may not) have been better than him on this particular evening. But at that point in the game, I was more than willing to find out. It has no effect on whether or not Rex is the future, and it should have no effect on his psyche, either. If his psyche were fragile, he would have been affected by the Bears signing one of the most expensive and most qualified backups in the NFL. He's clearly not rattled by it, so I don't see the big catastrophe that would have been caused by bringing in Griese to mix things up. In the end, it's a moot point, and one of the most entertaining games I've ever watched, but I will not stand down when someone tells me this argument is one-sided and that we are morons for considering otherwise.

See, coach, I was already in the middle of typing my peace offering as you tried to intervene. Take it to Ditka's and smooth over Mac & Sean. Nas and I are fine. Sometimes, he's got his head up his ass and needs some assistance, that's all.