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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:18 pm 
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This article appears in the April 5, 2010, issue of Sports Illustrated.

People will argue about the value of a closer, but nobody can question Joe Nathan's sway over the AL Central the last six years. Mostly a starter and middle reliever with the Giants, Nathan had one career save when he was traded to the Twins in November 2003. But from the day he arrived in Minnesota and became the closer, he has spelled ninth-inning doom in the division.

Put it this way: AL Central hitters have batted .164 against Nathan since '04, been punched out 233 times and walked just 53. He's also had a 1.77 ERA and saved 115 games against division rivals, and the Twins have won three division titles over the past six years. What Mariano Rivera has been to the Yankees, Joe Nathan has been to the Twins.

So when Minnesota announced that Nathan had a torn ulnar ligament in his right elbow -- meaning Tommy John surgery plus a yearlong rehab -- the division appeared to be up for grabs. "The Twins are still a terrific team," Royals G.M. Dayton Moore says, "but they haven't had to worry about the ninth inning for a few years."

Minnesota has the best-hitting team in the division and probably the best in the field. Reigning AL MVP Joe Mauer became the first catcher to lead a league in batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage in the same season -- plus he won a Gold Glove. Mauer, former MVP Justin Morneau, outfielder Michael Cuddyer and outfielder -- DH Jason Kubel all hit 28 or more home runs in 2009 -- the first time that four Twins had done that since 1987, when they won the World Series. They added another power threat, J.J. Hardy, at shortstop and perennial Gold Glove winner Orlando Hudson at second.

Then there's the pitching. Minnesota starters last year had a 4.84 ERA; in the division, only the Indians' 5.30 was higher. With Nathan's injury making the bullpen vulnerable -- 6'11" journeyman Jon Rauch will be part of a committee of replacements -- and everyone wondering how the team will handle the move to an outdoor stadium (the brand new Target Field), the Twins' status as favorites seems suddenly shaky.

But this is a division of flawed teams, and Minnesota is still the least flawed of the bunch. The White Sox have the best rotation, beginning with 2007 NL Cy Young winner Jake Peavy, who was acquired last July while hurt, and workhorse lefty Mark Buehrle. Buehrle has had double-figure wins every year since 2001, and the hope is that with a healthy Peavy absorbing some of the pressure, Buehrle will pace himself better. Last season, after pitching his perfect game on July 23, he went 2-7 with a 4.78 ERA.

The question with Chicago is run production. The White Sox finished 12th in the league using an old lineup. Gone are Jermaine Dye, Jim Thome and Scott Podsednik. In are Juan Pierre and Mark Teahen. Scoring doesn't figure to get any easier.

The Tigers' strength is their power arms, led by AL strikeout king Justin Verlander. With Rick Porcello and Max Scherzer following, Detroit can match young talent with anybody. Also, first baseman Miguel Cabrera is as good a hitter as there is in the AL. But the Tigers were another team that had trouble scoring, especially when they went 11-16 and blew a seven-game lead in September. And center fielder Curtis Granderson and second baseman Placido Polanco are gone, replaced by rookies Austin Jackson and Scott Sizemore, respectively.

With Nathan out, the Royals have the best closer in the division in Joakim Soria. They also have the best starter in Cy Young winner Zack Greinke. And they have one of the best young hitters in first baseman Billy Butler, who last year had 20 homers and 50 doubles. The trouble with Kansas City is the rest of the roster. It's loaded with -thirtysomethings -- Podsednik, Rick Ankiel, Jose Guillen, Jason Kendall, Gil Meche -- who, at best, could provide some leadership.

Cleveland is only a shell of the team that was one game away from the World Series in 2007. The remaining parts -- Fausto Carmona, Travis Hafner, Jhonny Peralta, Grady Sizemore and Jake Westbrook -- are all coming off serious injuries, serious slumps or both. The Indians have some nice young players, especially outfielder Shin-Soo Choo, but that pitching staff looks overmatched.


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Again, Minnesota I can understand. They very rarely look good on paper (and thier pitching looks pretty bad this year on paper) but they are always in the mix in September. All of the Tiger love I don't understand. I also don't understand the 78-80 win predictions for the Sox. I don't expect them to win 100, but they could easily win 90 and its most like going to be them and the Twins battling for the division in September.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:07 am 
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If I was you I would be happy SI picked them 3rd, they are the most out of touch writers.

It's like taking Dr Z's football picks. or watching that weekly football show on Showtime for your info

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I recall a Sports Illustrated Baseball issue a few years ago with Kerry Wood on the cover and a bold prediction that the Cubs would win the World Series.

If "Streetwise" ran a baseball issue, I would ride with that. 8)

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Again, Minnesota I can understand. They very rarely look good on paper (and thier pitching looks pretty bad this year on paper) but they are always in the mix in September. All of the Tiger love I don't understand. I also don't understand the 78-80 win predictions for the Sox. I don't expect them to win 100, but they could easily win 90 and its most like going to be them and the Twins battling for the division in September.

It has to do with a bad defense and no power hitting. Power pitching will win ya some games, but defense and power are necessary to be significantly over .500 and/or succeed in the playoffs.
While I don't think a 2nd place finish is out of the question, I don't see a bad defense leading them too very far.
In short, the numbers are low but the reasoning is sound.

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The D may not be great, buts its improved for sure.

The power is there, but the 40HR astronomical power is not. Bacon, Alexei, Teahan, Rios are all quite capable of hitting 20+ HRs. Maybe even add Jones into that mix. I'd rather 4 or 5 guys with 20-25 HRs (who can also go 1st to 3rd, score from 2nd on a single etc) than 2 guys (Dye and Thome, station to staion) with 35 HRs.

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The D may not be great, buts its improved for sure.

The power is there, but the 40HR astronomical power is not. Bacon, Alexei, Teahan, Rios are all quite capable of hitting 20+ HRs. Maybe even add Jones into that mix. I'd rather 4 or 5 guys with 20-25 HRs (who can also go 1st to 3rd, score from 2nd on a single etc) than 2 guys (Dye and Thome, station to staion) with 35 HRs.

Improved D? Improved from shit is just better smelling shit.
Small ball in Comiskey is going to be a challenge to the home team. You're counting on a return to form by Rios, and you've got high hopes for Beckham in year 2... we'll see if he can keep hitting now that the teams have a little more tape on him. I would like to see it but who knows. What also scares me is the inconsistancy in the DH position. Hopefully that's just Ozzie being a dope on purpose and they settle down into a regular.

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I think everyone is under-estimating the home park advantage the Twins got in the Metrodome. That team was built for that park - take them outside in April, early May and late September and they're going to struggle to hit. So will the opponents, but I'm not blown away by the Twins rotation. They have a suspect bullpen now and they have Nick F-ing Punto starting at 3rd base now.


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Jones is going to be the full time DH by early May.
Bacon hit what, 16 or 18 HRs with 75 RBI in half a season last year? Why is 25 HRs high hopes for 145 games?

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Jones is going to be the full time DH by early May.
Bacon hit what, 16 or 18 HRs with 75 RBI in half a season last year? Why is 25 HRs high hopes for 145 games?

Well, a little more than half, I think he played over 100 games and had well over 400PA. And it was 14 HR.
Extrapolated out that comes to about 21 HR over 162 games.
Tell you what, you want to do a Soriano HR vs. Beckham wager? How about a bottle of rum as the award?

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You give me Beckahm +8 or 10 I'll take it. In the past 2 bad, injury riddled seasons Soriano hit 29 and 20 HRs respectively.

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You give me Beckahm +8 or 10 I'll take it. In the past 2 bad, injury riddled seasons Soriano hit 29 and 20 HRs respectively.

So I have to guarantee you victory?
You're telling me that this guy should hit 25 homers (which you're stating is not high for him over 140 or so games), and he's on the upswing of his career, and I have to give 10 on a guy who can't stay healthy, is aging and on the downside of his career?
So what you're reallllly trying to say is you've basically got Soriano pegged for a 35 home run season, and Bacon for 25 or better? He never hit 35 with the Cubs.

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Yes :P

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Yes :P

I'll give you 5. You in?

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Sure, but truth be told we could probably work out some other bet(s) that we don't have to handicap at all.

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Sure, but truth be told we could probably work out some other bet(s) that we don't have to handicap at all.

Sox v. Cubs H2H, no handicap
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Attendance- give me Sox +2.5mil

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Attendance- give me Sox +2.5mil

So is it safe to assume that we're not going to get a wager off the ground then? I'm surprised you won't bet... you've got your team projected to win the division, and the Cubs to lose out to the Cards, the Cubs are in an easier division, seems to me you think highly of the Sox but don't figure the Cubs to contend.

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I'm just dicking around. We'll come up with something at practice (yes waltasswipe, we practice).

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I'm just dicking around. We'll come up with something at practice (yes waltasswipe, we practice).

Catch me after the Dolphin for compromised decision making.

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