Here we go with this again.

Take Z and his "numbers" if you want them. I'll take a sane, reliable pitcher 100% of the time.

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Are you a dipshit because you LIKE being one? That quote comes after
13-11
16-8
14-6
16-7
18-13
That's not even Zito money he's getting. Plus, with the exception of last year, he's fuckin much more durable, pitching over 200 innings every season except the last 2, one of which was damn close at 188.

That's not overpaid for a starting pitcher. Not today.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Wrong.

So what if he had a bad day?? The argument was about him being over-rated and thus over-paid. One outing has nothing to do with that. I find the fact that you felt the need to make that "point" as a rebuttal to be interesting.

Darkside is a lot of people here.

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You know me like that.

No cares the reasons why you were/are wrong. Keep them to yourself. I do like your comparison to the Zito contract though.

Once again, my point in that is that maybe Z is not letting the ANGRY MENTAL aspect of the game bother him as much as before. I think we can all agree that his mental issues are a contributing factor to his 69 losses.
Question, BR, do you agree that if Z had been calmer, cooler and more collected that his record would be better than 105-69 (.603 FWIW) that he currently holds?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

I'm not wrong. He was a high dollar value pitcher at that time and probably still is. I've given you several very valid reasons why.
If you don't know that, then you don't know much about baseball.
Are you trying to tell me that another team would not have given him such a rich contract?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Right. And youll get your 15-13 and well get our 16-11.

You can definitely RELY on Buehrle's annual losing streak.

Z lays some ducks out there, but yes his mental capacity, or lack thereof, does contribute to some of his poor outings.

However, why does it take until he has almost 70 career losses for Z himself to wake up and realize that he needs to correct this? And more importantly, why hasn't the team done something to try and correct that? Now, I suppose its possible that they have and just kept it hush hush, but in this age of Twitter and TMZ, somebody would have found out about it and spilled the beans in some way, shape, or form.

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Are you serious? You think the Team hasnt tried to calm him?

They have coddled him, but they probably should have sent him to a shrink.

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I agree with everything you said. I wish that dealing with people was as easy as "sending him to a shrink" because then in life we'd never have to deal with people that were mental cases.
But even notwithstanding his pissy attitude, I still think he's been a damn fine pitcher over his career, even on some stinker teams with stinker leadership, and he's not over-rated.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

"sending to a shrink" it not always the end all be all, but it certainly can't hurt to talk to a professional about whatever issues you may have. Especially for a guy who makes millions to play a game. I'm not saying his life his perfect, but he doesn't have to worry about making the mortage or if he will be able to afford groceries for his kids, ya know?

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In Zambrano's last 2 years, the bad years, the Cubs are 39-21 in games when he takes the mound.

They've got other problems.

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You know me like that.

I'll answer that with most likely less, unless he needs the crazy to perform like Pedro Cerrano in Major League. Outside of that I think it would definitely help. I know it can't be good for team chemistry to have the worry about how he is going to react when he comes back after a bad inning. It was only one game, but the Cubs seemed to play differently after he was taken out yesterday. They actually did a good job of getting back into the game.

I know it may be a meatball like thought but I'd think that Zambrano's locker room presence is worse than the actual blow ups. The blow ups are simply losses but over a long season getting worried that Zambrano is going to snap after every bad inning has to take a toll.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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Fascinating thought. I don't know what his locker room presence is like.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

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So Darkside wanted to give him one more year and 1.2M less per year?

Seems to fly in the face of your point, NSJ

Give me a whole staff of Zambranos that win 2 out of every 3 games that they take the mound and I'll have myself a nice 108-54 squad that is the best team in baseball, two medical doctors on staff qualified to treat all forms of pugilistic injuries, and a warehouse supply of coolers and I'll be good.

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You know me like that.

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Your style is intresting. You:

-Proclaim those making points as "wrong"

-Sarcastically mock others for "missing the point", when that exact point could be made regarding your "argument"

-Name call people "dipshit"

-Suggest that if someone doesn't agree with your "points", they don't know much about baseball.

It admittedly bothers me when people are proven wrong and then resort to those type of tactics to distract.

I am amused, however, that you qualify your statement regarding Z's contract because it followed some great years. With that "logic", there would be no such thing as a bad contract.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

That's the euphemism I'm going to use the next time the vice principal catches me.

You just can't get away from the same tired tactics . . .

Share your sophomoric points about a player's worth and evaluating a contract post-facto elsewhere.

We both know you're wrong, but it is fun to watch you wiggle.

Its not a meatball thought, but I dont think a starting pitcher can have a HUGE locker room presence. There's at least 130 games a year that he doesnt even play in.

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What about him wanting to give Z less money than he currently makes?

What am I wrong about? You've not been very clear in that.
Where was I wrong with how his contract worked out and that at the time, it made sense?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

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