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Piniella isn't ready to say publicly what the Cubs will do, but indications are strong that left-hander Tom Gorzelanny will stay in the rotation when Lilly returns, and one of the right-handers -- Carlos Zambrano, Ryan Dempster, Randy Wells and Carlos Silva -- will move to the pen for now.


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If it weren't for the pricetag, Z is the type of arm they need in the pen. But that's not going to happen. It won't be Gorz due to the amount of lefties that would make.

Smart Money is probably on Silva.

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Actually I think I would vote for Zambrano to go to the pen right now

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Who is getting demoted... I think most feel it SHOULD be the football player, he should have an option left.

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Who is getting demoted... I think most feel it SHOULD be the football player, he should have an option left.


Even if he doesn't aren't we ready to see if this clown can clear waivers....I imagine the Cubs would be thrilled if someone else wanted to take that contract.

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Apologist wrote:
Who is getting demoted... I think most feel it SHOULD be the football player, he should have an option left.



He does. One left I believe.


Z does make sense (obviously outside the contract) as long as Silva keeps throwing like he does.

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Who is getting demoted... I think most feel it SHOULD be the football player, he should have an option left.

It better be him.
Z could actually thrive in the pen as a set up guy. He is a horse who can probably pitch damn near every day. He won't get dehydrated. He might walk a few but he is capable of a strikeout at anytime. He will be pissed about not getting to bat.

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Throwing out any contract discussion and discussing purely baseball reasons....Wells and Silva have the kind of stuff that makes them more effective as starters....pitch to contact let the defense make plays keep the pitch coutnt down. Dempster makes some sense because as a former closer he was used to the constant up and down and pitching multiple day grind of being in the pen....but far and away if Zambrano is throwing strikes he could be dominant out of the pen. Taking all of the baseball reasoning aside and looking at the contracts and ego's you will probably see Silva in the pen. Is Gorzelanny's arm ok after taking that liner?

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It will be Silva. No way they put Z in the pen.

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I heard Len mention yesterday that Gorz threw a bullpen session with no pain at all from the shoulder. Won't miss a start

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Who is getting demoted... I think most feel it SHOULD be the football player, he should have an option left.


Even if he doesn't aren't we ready to see if this clown can clear waivers....I imagine the Cubs would be thrilled if someone else wanted to take that contract.

If another team claimed him I'm pretty sure all they have to pay is the major league minimum ($390,000). The Cubs would be on the hook for the rest.


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If another team claimed him I'm pretty sure all they have to pay is the major league minimum ($390,000). The Cubs would be on the hook for the rest.

Are you sure you don't have that backwards? If that was the case, why would any team ever put a high priced player on waivers?

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Not that I agree with it, but the short-sighted view is that Silva and Gorzellanny each have a start left, assuming Lilly is coming back by the weekend (?). The "easy" thing to do is see if one of them gets peppered and move that guy to the pen. Silva is an odd case because he has an abysmal track record the past few seasons, but so far has pitched well. If Gorz went to the pen, it would probably be the end of Russell (for now).

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Could the Bears put in a claim on him?


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I don't know if there is an off day coming up or not but I wouldn't mind seeing Z skipped in the rotation after his next start while throwing his side in the pen just to get his command back so he doesnt have to go 3-2 with every single batter and have 100 pitches by the 5th. This will buy them about 10 days to see if there are any new developments and it gives silva at least 2 opportunities to blow up and then make the permanent solution an easy one.

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If another team claimed him I'm pretty sure all they have to pay is the major league minimum ($390,000). The Cubs would be on the hook for the rest.

Are you sure you don't have that backwards? If that was the case, why would any team ever put a high priced player on waivers?


Yeah I am pretty sure the Sox are paying the lions share of the Rios deal after claiming him

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If another team claimed him I'm pretty sure all they have to pay is the major league minimum ($390,000). The Cubs would be on the hook for the rest.

Are you sure you don't have that backwards? If that was the case, why would any team ever put a high priced player on waivers?


Yeah I am pretty sure the Sox are paying the lions share of the Rios deal after claiming him

Yeah...like all of it.


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That still doesn't solve the roster crunch of whom to demote. Unfortunately for Russell, Gorz is one bad outing away from keeping the WR in The Show.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
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If another team claimed him I'm pretty sure all they have to pay is the major league minimum ($390,000). The Cubs would be on the hook for the rest.

Are you sure you don't have that backwards? If that was the case, why would any team ever put a high priced player on waivers?


Yeah I am pretty sure the Sox are paying the lions share of the Rios deal after claiming him

Maybe but I think that was because it occured after the July 31 trading deadline. I'll read up on the waiver rules this afternoon and give a full report. 8)


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My single biggest concern currently is that a panicked Hendry will make some absurd trade involving some of our best prospects (Castro, Vitters,Cashner, Jackson(s) for a band-aid bullpen arm.

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Ok, I think you have to clear waivers and then refuse assignment thus making you a free agent that can be signed for the league minimum. For example Cust was designated. If he was claimed the other team would be on the hook for his 2.75 mil or whatever it was. He cleared waivers and accepted his assignment and the a's are paying him his full salary in AAA now. If he refused assignment it would terminate his contract an he would have been a free agent. The shark has options so this won't happen.

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My single biggest concern currently is that a panicked Hendry will make some absurd trade involving some of our best prospects (Castro, Vitters,Cashner, Jackson(s) for a band-aid bullpen arm.

This team isn't winning a ring this year so no band-aid that isn't off the waiver wire. Ricketts needs to put a trading moratorium on Hendry until he decides he wants him to be his GM of the future. The only trades he should be allowed to make are to dump vets if it comes to that in July. He should also be banned from any future deals with the A's.

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My single biggest concern currently is that a panicked Hendry will make some absurd trade involving some of our best prospects (Castro, Vitters,Cashner, Jackson(s) for a band-aid bullpen arm.


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Phil McCracken wrote:
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My single biggest concern currently is that a panicked Hendry will make some absurd trade involving some of our best prospects (Castro, Vitters,Cashner, Jackson(s) for a band-aid bullpen arm.


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100% what I was thinking.

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Ok, I think you have to clear waivers and then refuse assignment thus making you a free agent that can be signed for the league minimum. For example Cust was designated. If he was claimed the other team would be on the hook for his 2.75 mil or whatever it was. He cleared waivers and accepted his assignment and the a's are paying him his full salary in AAA now. If he refused assignment it would terminate his contract an he would have been a free agent. The shark has options so this won't happen.

Thanks for calling my bluff. :P


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