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Just over a month since undergoing surgery following a heart attack, Gang Starr MC Guru (born Keith Elam) has died at age 43. According to a statement, Guru died of cancer-related causes on Monday after a long fight with the disease.


Guru's longtime collaborator and partner, French producer Solaar (sometimes referred to as Solar now), mourns his loss in the statement and explains that Guru had written a letter to his fans that was to be released upon his death.

"The world has lost one of the best MCs and hip-hop icons of all-time — my loyal best friend, partner, and brother, Guru," Solaar said. "Guru has been battling cancer for well over a year and has lost his battle! This is a matter that Guru wanted private until he could beat it, but tragically, this did not happen. The cancer took him. Now the world has lost a great man and a true genius."

Born on July 17, 1966, near Boston, Guru rose to fame in the late 1980s as part of the duo Gang Starr with partner DJ Premier. The pair helped define the New York underground rap sound in the 1990s. Their unique sound combined Premier's production palette, which leaned heavily on sampled jazz records and scratched vocals on the choruses, with Guru's uncompromising rhymes. Although the pair would work separately as often as they did together — Guru's Jazzmatazzseries of albums and Premier's work with Nas, Jay-Z, and underground act Group Home — Gang Starr continued to release critically acclaimed material throughout the late '90s and early 2000s.

Their 1998 album Moment of Truth was among their most critically lauded collections and Gang Starr's biggest selling project to date. Gang Starr's last group project, The Ownerz, was released in 2003.

Guru found solo fame in 1993 when he released the first volume of his Jazzmatazz series, an all-star project that featured a number of collaborations with jazz icons such as Branford Marsalis, Donald Byrd, Roy Ayers and Ronny Jordan, as well as vocals from Solaar and N'Dea Davenport of the Brand New Heavies. The album's mixture of jazz and rap was considered pioneering at the time, and the record spawned the hit "Trust Me." Guru would go on to make four volumes in the series.

Guru wrote his farewell letter while in the hospital, according to Solaar. "I, Guru, am writing this letter to my fans, friends and loved ones around the world," it begins. "I have had a long battle with cancer and have succumbed to the disease. I have suffered with this illness for over a year. I have exhausted all medical options.

"I have a non-profit organization called Each One Counts dedicated to carrying on my charitable work on behalf of abused and disadvantaged children from around the world and also to educate and research a cure for this terrible disease that took my life. I write this with tears in my eyes, not of sorrow but of joy for what a wonderful life I have enjoyed and how many great people I have had the pleasure of meeting.

"My loyal best friend, partner and brother, Solar, has been at my side through it all and has been made my health proxy by myself on all matters relating to myself. He has been with me by my side on my many hospital stays, operations, doctors visits and stayed with me at my home and cared for me when I could not care for myself. Solar and his family is my family and I love them dearly and I expect my family, friends, and fans to respect that, regardless to anybody's feelings on the matter. It is my wish that counts. This being said I am survived by the love of my life, my sun KC, who I trust will be looked after by Solar and his family as their own. Any awards or tributes should be accepted, organized approved by Solar on behalf [of] myself and my son until he is of age to except on his own."

Guru very pointedly distanced himself from Premier in the letter, saying he didn't want his former musical collaborator to be able to participate in any tributes or events surrounding his death.

"I do not wish my ex-DJ to have anything to do with my name likeness, events, tributes etc. connected in anyway to my situation including any use of my name or circumstance for any reason and I have instructed my lawyers to enforce this," wrote Guru. "I had nothing to do with him in life for over 7 years and want nothing to do with him in death. Solar has my life story and is well informed on my family situation, as well as the real reason for separating from my ex-DJ.

"As the sole founder of Gang Starr, I am very proud of what Gang Starr has meant to the music world and fans. I equally am proud of my Jazzmatazz series and as the father of Hip-Hop/Jazz. I am most proud of my leadership and pioneering efforts on Jazzmatazz 4 for reinvigorating the Hip-Hop/Jazz genre in a time when music quality has reached an all time low. Solar and I have toured in places that I have never been before with Gang Starr or Jazzmatazz and we gained a reputation for being the best on the planet at Hip-Hop/Jazz, as well as the biggest and most influential Hip-Hop/Jazz record with Jazzmatazz 4 of the decade to now.

"The work I have done with Solar represents a legacy far beyond its time. And we as a team were not afraid to push the envelope. To me this is what true artists do! As men of honor we stood tall in the face of small-mindedness, greed, and ignorance. As we fought for music and integrity at the cost of not earning millions and for this I will always be happy and proud, and would like to thank the million fans who have seen us perform over the years from all over the world. The work I have done with Solar represents a legacy far beyond its time and is my most creative and experimental to date. I hope that our music will receive the attention it deserves as it is some of the best work I have done and represents some of the best years of my life."


One of my all time fav MC's...RIP :cry:

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Damn that really sucks! Always loved me some Guru

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Wow. That's terrible...

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R.I.P. Mr GURU. I hope he's above the clouds where the sounds are original


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What happened with him and Primo? Sounds really pissed in his little death letter thingy.

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What happened with him and Primo? Sounds really pissed in his little death letter thingy.


Many felt Solar was brainwashing Guru....there were stories that he woudln't allow Guru's family to visit him in the hospital, cut off contact w/ friends....basically was an asshole. i've seen and heard several interviews w/ other rappers & producers who are not affiliated w/ gang starr saying the same thing.

obviously he is dead now and not trying to piss on the man's grave, he will obviously be missed- but thats pretty arrogant of him to say he was the sole founding member of Gang Starr. Gang Starr was Guru and Premier. that's it. not just Guru. anyone ever hear any of Guru's work with Solar? oh no, really? yeah, because it sucks. they were a pair like EPMD- Erick Sermon and parrish smith were not great rappers or anyhting but together had a great chemistry. So did Guru & Premier. Guru is only a marginal rapper, as evidenced but not being able to overcome shitty production by Solar. Meanwhile, Preemo is still producing great records. i think 's very very very sad that he went out of his way to distance himself from Premier in that letter. from everything that i've seen and read (a lot) Premier had nothing but love for Guru


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Bagels wrote:
Krazy Ivan wrote:
What happened with him and Primo? Sounds really pissed in his little death letter thingy.


Many felt Solar was brainwashing Guru....there were stories that he woudln't allow Guru's family to visit him in the hospital, cut off contact w/ friends....basically was an asshole. i've seen and heard several interviews w/ other rappers & producers who are not affiliated w/ gang starr saying the same thing.

obviously he is dead now and not trying to piss on the man's grave, he will obviously be missed- but thats pretty arrogant of him to say he was the sole founding member of Gang Starr. Gang Starr was Guru and Premier. that's it. not just Guru. anyone ever hear any of Guru's work with Solar? oh no, really? yeah, because it sucks. they were a pair like EPMD- Erick Sermon and parrish smith were not great rappers or anyhting but together had a great chemistry. So did Guru & Premier. Guru is only a marginal rapper, as evidenced but not being able to overcome shitty production by Solar. Meanwhile, Preemo is still producing great records. i think 's very very very sad that he went out of his way to distance himself from Premier in that letter. from everything that i've seen and read (a lot) Premier had nothing but love for Guru


That sucks.

Yeah, never really liked any of Guru's solo stuff. Always felt sort of strange to me. Premier will continue to do his thing and I've never heard him say anything negative about Guru. To tell somebody not to give you tribute or mention your name after you're dead is really fucking crazy. Almost sounds to me like this asshole who was producing his shit may have written the letter himself....

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Almost sounds to me like this asshole who was producing his shit may have written the letter himself....


I wouldn't be surprised at all

Solar pretty much wanted to ride Guru and Gang Starr's legacy. Notice you go to his myspace page (Solars) how there is an ad for a performace with Guru, and notice the GANG STARR logo. Why? Guru and Solar is not gang starr. Funny for someone like Guru who wants no contact w/ Premier or doesn't want to discuss Gang Starr, wants to use their symbols and name to cash in

For a "super producer" Solar hasn't done shit


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This thread and who has posted in it proves hip hop is for all races.

Thug Lea...

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"As the sole founder of Gangstarr"

That doesnt even make sense. How can you be the sole founder of a group? If it was just him it would be GURU not Gangstarr.

Solar sounds like a dick.


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I also think that letter may have been written or edited by Solar. a lot of it looks fishy

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Going Untimely Really Unfortunate. RIP

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The Full Clip double album ain't nuthin to fuck with.

Going Untimely Really Unfortunate. RIP


if you are only going to get one Gang Starr album (yes i know its a double) then yes Full Clip is definitely the way to go...I know there are a lot of people who feel they were more of a singles group, but I think almost all of their albums are solid- especially Moment of Truth. To me that is their classic


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Damn! Sorry the man lost his life. I feel a little older now. I always looked at Gang Starr as Premiere first and Guru second. I've never heard of this new producer of his, and I gotta agree with the sentiment here that the letter reads a bit fishy. Oh and rpb, "Above The Clouds" is a great track.


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:( Disappointing.

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http://www.birthplacemag.com/2010/04/gu ... questions/

Interesting article about the charity referenced in Guru's "letter"

claims that it may not be a non-profit organization


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wow, this guy is straight up EVIL. no other words. this is incredibly damning

apparently someone hacked his email, twitter and myspace accounts and posted some extremely disturbing emails

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/arc ... php?page=1


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wow, this guy is straight up EVIL. no other words. this is incredibly damning

apparently someone hacked his email, twitter and myspace accounts and posted some extremely disturbing emails

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/arc ... php?page=1

Wow. I just read the first couple paragraphs. That was enough.

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How did GURU come to the decision to basically give up his Free WIll to this clown?

Was his sickness affecting his mind?
Gay lovers?


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^I've been wondering the same thing. I'm not tryin to be funny or a jackass but the gay lovers thing crossed my mind as soon as I read that press release from Solar. Dude was on Guru like a muslim housewife. I wonder what else will come out that this slithering scumbags been planning

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I was serious too.

A co worker who is a huge fan suggested it.

It will ruin "Ex girl to next girl" for me.


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I heard the gay rumor over the weekend. It's certainly possible. Much of it points in that direction. What other reason do you trust another dude that much whom you've only done business with for about five years?

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you think 5 years is a short time to trust a business partner?????

not saying it isn't true, i mean that would explain what is essentially blackmail


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you think 5 years is a short time to trust a business partner?????

not saying it isn't true, i mean that would explain what is essentially blackmail



It was more than just "business trust", though. If anyone wanted to know about his health situation, you'd go to Solar. All access to email and other accounts. Spoke to otheres, including family, on Guru's behalf....etc.

I could trust someone business wise after five years, sure. But this just seemed to be a little more than business. If that's what happened, whatever. But it looks like Solar may have used it to take advantage of Guru. The whole thing looks like a woman who marries an old dying guy to get his money....

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^I agree. Solar was very overpossessive about anything that had to do with Guru.

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well yeah but i'm not sure that means he or Guru is gay

I just think he saw an opportunity to leech on to an established "star" and try and make his name off it


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Bagels wrote:
well yeah but i'm not sure that means he or Guru is gay

I just think he saw an opportunity to leech on to an established "star" and try and make his name off it

Why would Guru give up that much power or free will to a guy, any guy, for any reason?

Even if it were Primo doing all the speaking for him, it would still come off as slightly weird.


What is The reason GURU let Solar do this stuff ?

Unless he literally hypnotized him, the gay thing seems likely


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