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When I first started to listen to him I thought what a breath of fresh air on a station of nothing but negative hosts. He let callers give their view points with no problem. One time the last caller of the show said something he didn't agree with and he made a big deal about giving him a Beggers Pizza. Saying he'd never would have given him it if he wasn't the last caller,WHAT.
But lately it seems to me he's becoming a company man. Especially when it comes to Greg Walker. Last night he even admits he'll never change his mind. Acting like moron Berstein like there shouldn't be a hitting coach because nobody has to listen to him.
Ranger has talked with "dozens" of baseball people about Greg Walker. And he's not the problem. Hitting coaches only get fired when their made out to be scape goats. Or there's sex involved. Or sex with a goat or something. But like Cowley, they love to bring up when players have "great" years. Walker "saw" something in his swing or looked at video. I'd like to hear what a great job he's doing with Beckham.
Or how about teaching someone during spring training how to lay down a bunt? Most of us played little league, Babe Ruth and high school ball. We all were taught and knew how to bunt the damn ball. Buy everyone Ted Williams book on hitting maybe there's a chapter on Bunting 101.
Or hire Frank Thomas. Only the best White Sox hitter.


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When I first started to listen to him I thought what a breath of fresh air on a station of nothing but negative hosts. He let callers give their view points with no problem. One time the last caller of the show said something he didn't agree with and he made a big deal about giving him a Beggers Pizza. Saying he'd never would have given him it if he wasn't the last caller,WHAT.
But lately it seems to me he's becoming a company man. Especially when it comes to Greg Walker. Last night he even admits he'll never change his mind. Acting like moron Berstein like there shouldn't be a hitting coach because nobody has to listen to him.
Ranger has talked with "dozens" of baseball people about Greg Walker. And he's not the problem. Hitting coaches only get fired when their made out to be scape goats. Or there's sex involved. Or sex with a goat or something. But like Cowley, they love to bring up when players have "great" years. Walker "saw" something in his swing or looked at video. I'd like to hear what a great job he's doing with Beckham.
Or how about teaching someone during spring training how to lay down a bunt? Most of us played little league, Babe Ruth and high school ball. We all were taught and knew how to bunt the damn ball. Buy everyone Ted Williams book on hitting maybe there's a chapter on Bunting 101.
Or hire Frank Thomas. Only the best White Sox hitter.


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When I first started to listen to him I thought what a breath of fresh air on a station of nothing but negative hosts. He let callers give their view points with no problem. One time the last caller of the show said something he didn't agree with and he made a big deal about giving him a Beggers Pizza. Saying he'd never would have given him it if he wasn't the last caller,WHAT.
But lately it seems to me he's becoming a company man. Especially when it comes to Greg Walker. Last night he even admits he'll never change his mind. Acting like moron Berstein like there shouldn't be a hitting coach because nobody has to listen to him.
Ranger has talked with "dozens" of baseball people about Greg Walker. And he's not the problem. Hitting coaches only get fired when their made out to be scape goats. Or there's sex involved. Or sex with a goat or something. But like Cowley, they love to bring up when players have "great" years. Walker "saw" something in his swing or looked at video. I'd like to hear what a great job he's doing with Beckham.
Or how about teaching someone during spring training how to lay down a bunt? Most of us played little league, Babe Ruth and high school ball. We all were taught and knew how to bunt the damn ball. Buy everyone Ted Williams book on hitting maybe there's a chapter on Bunting 101.
Or hire Frank Thomas. Only the best White Sox hitter.

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I would like names of the dozens of people Ranger spoke to about Greg Walker as well, this is ridiculous! It is all Greg Walkers fault.

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Gotta side with Rongey on this just bsed on a caller to him the other day blaming Walker for Tyler Flowers bad year at AAA. people should be blaming....i dont know...the PLAYERS?


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Most people who host a post game show for a losing team should be given a pass. The amount of stupidity they deal with is absurd.

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The way this White Sox season is going, I feel sorry for Chris Rongey. Not only is the Ranger paid to watch really bad White Sox baseball on 670 The SCORE & the TOYOTA Chicago White Sox Radio Network, but there's going to be a time and a caller to the "Feedback Zone Postgame Powered by Xfinity" after a really ugly loss when the Ranger will snap big time if he hasn't done so already. The meatball callers to Ranger's postgame are being a bit much, and especially when you consider other stations along the White Sox Radio Network are listening to a caller's every word, it's embarrassing & unprofessional. This isn't "Boers & Bernstein" or Laurence Holmes' evening show you're calling into! This is the Ranger's postgame on the Chicago White Sox Radio Network!!! :x :x The time is coming where Ranger won't take calls if they continue to be meatballish!!!


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The way this White Sox season is going, I feel sorry for Chris Rongey. Not only is the Ranger paid to watch really bad White Sox baseball on 670 The SCORE & the TOYOTA Chicago White Sox Radio Network, but there's going to be a time and a caller to the "Feedback Zone Postgame Powered by Xfinity" after a really ugly loss when the Ranger will snap big time if he hasn't done so already. The meatball callers to Ranger's postgame are being a bit much, and especially when you consider other stations along the White Sox Radio Network are listening to a caller's every word, it's embarrassing & unprofessional. This isn't "Boers & Bernstein" or Laurence Holmes' evening show you're calling into! This is the Ranger's postgame on the Chicago White Sox Radio Network!!! :x :x The time is coming where Ranger won't take calls if they continue to be meatballish!!!



What are you talking about? Do you think being paid to watch bad baseball is a horrible job? It sure as fuck beats working on an Avaya phone system. And many of us are stuck looking at a big stack of season tickets. Do you feel sorry for us too? Because I'd love to be getting paid to see this crap that I actually paid to watch.

The callers aren't professionals. They aren't supposed to be. They're disgruntled Sox fans. Rongey is the professional. The guys screening the calls are the professionals. They can put whoever they want on the air.

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Gotta side with Rongey on this just bsed on a caller to him the other day blaming Walker for Tyler Flowers bad year at AAA. people should be blaming....i dont know...the PLAYERS?


So one stupid caller and you willing to forgive Ranger giving the company line? The same when he "interviews" Cooper. Same sorry questions, same dumb answers. Maybe I'm starting to go toward Berstein's side. Why the hell have coaches if they're not listened to? Must be useless in the big picture. Ranger brought up Buddy Bell in the minors also. What really big STARS have the Sox ever product lately?

I'll wait. Fields? Anderson? Beckham had a very good year last year and can't hit .200 this year. Somebody tell me why? Don't get me that soph jinx shit. You think Beckham tells them I won't listen to any coach? Like ranger was saying about other players.

Why is it people made a big deal about Charley Lau, misspelled, years ago and how good of a hitting coach he was? And the Sox had another guy everyone loved. The new Cubs hitting coach who everyone said helped Texas players get better. Don't follow the Cubs so don't know what he has done there.

So how on one hand "expert" baseball people praise these guys, but on the other "radio guys" say it doesn't make a difference. You don't need a coach etc. I'll put my money on baseball people than sport star wannabes.


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its show after show with the dumb ass callers for wanting walker fired. so if thomas got hired how many 3 hit shutouts till u want hime fired?.

coaches can suggest and work with a player, but in the end, its up to the player.

just because rongey doesnt go on the air screaming people to be fired doesnt mean he is a compnay man, he isnt, listwn closer dd...he is crtical.


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its show after show with the dumb ass callers for wanting walker fired. so if thomas got hired how many 3 hit shutouts till u want hime fired?.

coaches can suggest and work with a player, but in the end, its up to the player.

just because rongey doesnt go on the air screaming people to be fired doesnt mean he is a compnay man, he isnt, listwn closer dd...he is crtical.

Ranger's tried awfully hard to explain what a hitting coach REALLY does whenever callers have demanded Greg Walker's dismissal as hitting coach. After Saturday's latest loss on "The JoeO & Rock Show", John "Rock" Mamola demanded Walker's firing, especially considering 5 of the White Sox everyday hitters are hubbering around .200 for batting average! At this point, something's got to be done, even if this season is shot!


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its show after show with the dumb ass callers for wanting walker fired. so if thomas got hired how many 3 hit shutouts till u want hime fired?.

coaches can suggest and work with a player, but in the end, its up to the player.

just because rongey doesnt go on the air screaming people to be fired doesnt mean he is a compnay man, he isnt, listwn closer dd...he is crtical.



That's want I like about listening to Ranger. He doesn't act like an ass and scream. He lets the caller talk. I'm talking about him making "excuses" for the coaches and players. And what is a dumb ass caller to you? Sounds like someone who wants to make a change and get rid of Walker.

And why not give Thomas or anybody else a chance? Can't get any worse than having players hitting just above .200, can it? And last point he was defending Williams with his trades. He brought up Rios being a good trade. Wonder if he was saying that last year?


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RodeoVann wrote:
its show after show with the dumb ass callers for wanting walker fired. so if thomas got hired how many 3 hit shutouts till u want hime fired?.

coaches can suggest and work with a player, but in the end, its up to the player.

just because rongey doesnt go on the air screaming people to be fired doesnt mean he is a compnay man, he isnt, listwn closer dd...he is crtical.



That's want I like about listening to Ranger. He doesn't act like an ass and scream. He lets the caller talk. I'm talking about him making "excuses" for the coaches and players. And what is a dumb ass caller to you? Sounds like someone who wants to make a change and get rid of Walker.

And why not give Thomas or anybody else a chance? Can't get any worse than having players hitting just above .200, can it? And last point he was defending Williams with his trades. He brought up Rios being a good trade. Wonder if he was saying that last year?

Factually speaking, Alex Rios was NOT acquired by the White Sox in a trade. They made a claim on him last August and the Blue Jays decided not to stop the claim from being processed.

As for Frank Thomas possibly becoming a hitting coach, he wouldn't be much worse than what he is now as a part-time Sox analyst on Comcast SportsNet. If the Sox fired Greg Walker as hitting coach tomorrow, I'm not so sure they'd listen to Gary Ward, a onetime Sox & Twins' outfielder who's currently in the same capacity at Triple "A" Charlotte. Ward's name was mentioned when a number of Sox fans wanted Walker fired a year or two ago. It's not going to mean improvement by any means...


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I actually have to stick up for Rongey here. The caller said something dumb like, "nine out of ten moves KW makes are horrible". And Ranger took issue with that. He pointed out the Rios "deal" as a good one. Certainly Kenny should get credit for that waiver claim. You were going to hang him for it if Rios had been as awful as he was last season.

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I actually have to stick up for Rongey here. The caller said something dumb like, "nine out of ten moves KW makes are horrible". And Ranger took issue with that. He pointed out the Rios "deal" as a good one. Certainly Kenny should get credit for that waiver claim. You were going to hang him for it if Rios had been as awful as he was last season.

Joe, there have been a number of trades the White Sox have made that aren't looking so good right now. The Javy Vazquez trade 2 years ago in which Javy was dealt to Atlanta for backup infielder Brent Lillibridge & catcher Tyler Flowers is looking worse by the day, even though Javy was dealt again to the Yankees last winter for Melky Cabrera. The trade of 2B Chris Getz & 3B Joshua Fields to Kansas City for 3B Mark Teahen, currently DL'd with a broken index finger on his throwing hand, doesn't look too good either. The deal that sent OF Nick Swisher to the Yankees for a couple of minor league prospects and backup IF Wilson Betemit (remember him, Sox fans?) appears pretty bad...


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Joe, there have been a number of trades the White Sox have made that aren't looking so good right now. The Javy Vazquez trade 2 years ago in which Javy was dealt to Atlanta for backup infielder Brent Lillibridge & catcher Tyler Flowers is looking worse by the day, even though Javy was dealt again to the Yankees last winter for Melky Cabrera. The trade of 2B Chris Getz & 3B Joshua Fields to Kansas City for 3B Mark Teahen, currently DL'd with a broken index finger on his throwing hand, doesn't look too good either. The deal that sent OF Nick Swisher to the Yankees for a couple of minor league prospects and backup IF Wilson Betemit (remember him, Sox fans?) appears pretty bad...



Oh, I agree he gave Swisher and Vazquez away for nothing. Not his finest hour. Still, he's made as many good ones as bad.

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Joe, there have been a number of trades the White Sox have made that aren't looking so good right now. The Javy Vazquez trade 2 years ago in which Javy was dealt to Atlanta for backup infielder Brent Lillibridge & catcher Tyler Flowers is looking worse by the day, even though Javy was dealt again to the Yankees last winter for Melky Cabrera. The trade of 2B Chris Getz & 3B Joshua Fields to Kansas City for 3B Mark Teahen, currently DL'd with a broken index finger on his throwing hand, doesn't look too good either. The deal that sent OF Nick Swisher to the Yankees for a couple of minor league prospects and backup IF Wilson Betemit (remember him, Sox fans?) appears pretty bad...



Oh, I agree he gave Swisher and Vazquez away for nothing. Not his finest hour. Still, he's made as many good ones as bad.

He's probably still waiting for his phone to ring, Joe Orr, but there are some who believe that Jermaine Dye was Kenny Williams' best acquisition as General Manager...


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I actually have to stick up for Rongey here. The caller said something dumb like, "nine out of ten moves KW makes are horrible". And Ranger took issue with that. He pointed out the Rios "deal" as a good one. Certainly Kenny should get credit for that waiver claim. You were going to hang him for it if Rios had been as awful as he was last season.

Joe, there have been a number of trades the White Sox have made that aren't looking so good right now. The Javy Vazquez trade 2 years ago in which Javy was dealt to Atlanta for backup infielder Brent Lillibridge & catcher Tyler Flowers is looking worse by the day, even though Javy was dealt again to the Yankees last winter for Melky Cabrera. The trade of 2B Chris Getz & 3B Joshua Fields to Kansas City for 3B Mark Teahen, currently DL'd with a broken index finger on his throwing hand, doesn't look too good either. The deal that sent OF Nick Swisher to the Yankees for a couple of minor league prospects and backup IF Wilson Betemit (remember him, Sox fans?) appears pretty bad...


how about the original vazquez trade? chris young, whilst he cannot hit for average, would look good in comiskey... he's one of those guys where if he could hit .270 it's all there, granted he wasn't an OMFG YOU CAN'T TRADE HIM type, still, i understand the concept of vazquez but ask the yankees how that works in the AL. put him in a very moderate pitchers park in the NL east and, well, say what you will about the heir-to-schuerholz, but at least he had the sense to get rid of him (see: tigers get max scherzer for edwin jackson, and later dontrelle willis -salary)

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I actually have to stick up for Rongey here. The caller said something dumb like, "nine out of ten moves KW makes are horrible". And Ranger took issue with that. He pointed out the Rios "deal" as a good one. Certainly Kenny should get credit for that waiver claim. You were going to hang him for it if Rios had been as awful as he was last season.

Joe, there have been a number of trades the White Sox have made that aren't looking so good right now. The Javy Vazquez trade 2 years ago in which Javy was dealt to Atlanta for backup infielder Brent Lillibridge & catcher Tyler Flowers is looking worse by the day, even though Javy was dealt again to the Yankees last winter for Melky Cabrera. The trade of 2B Chris Getz & 3B Joshua Fields to Kansas City for 3B Mark Teahen, currently DL'd with a broken index finger on his throwing hand, doesn't look too good either. The deal that sent OF Nick Swisher to the Yankees for a couple of minor league prospects and backup IF Wilson Betemit (remember him, Sox fans?) appears pretty bad...

Getz isn't seeing time for the Royals and Fields is out for the year with hip surgery...hard to say the Sox got the raw end of that deal.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I actually have to stick up for Rongey here. The caller said something dumb like, "nine out of ten moves KW makes are horrible". And Ranger took issue with that. He pointed out the Rios "deal" as a good one. Certainly Kenny should get credit for that waiver claim. You were going to hang him for it if Rios had been as awful as he was last season.

Joe, there have been a number of trades the White Sox have made that aren't looking so good right now. The Javy Vazquez trade 2 years ago in which Javy was dealt to Atlanta for backup infielder Brent Lillibridge & catcher Tyler Flowers is looking worse by the day, even though Javy was dealt again to the Yankees last winter for Melky Cabrera. The trade of 2B Chris Getz & 3B Joshua Fields to Kansas City for 3B Mark Teahen, currently DL'd with a broken index finger on his throwing hand, doesn't look too good either. The deal that sent OF Nick Swisher to the Yankees for a couple of minor league prospects and backup IF Wilson Betemit (remember him, Sox fans?) appears pretty bad...

Getz isn't seeing time for the Royals and Fields is out for the year with hip surgery...hard to say the Sox got the raw end of that deal.
Right now, the Mark Teahen/Chris Getz/Josh Fields trade with the Royals appears incomplete...


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Right now, this thread feels incomplete. Where ya at Ranger?

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I wonder if Ranger will stay at the Score when the White Sox move to a different station next year, or will he move with the team? Shark?

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18 posts and not one from Ranger? There was no Sox game tonight.

Duh Ginger Zee :roll:

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I wonder if Ranger will stay at the Score when the White Sox move to a different station next year, or will he move with the team? Shark?

Nothing's set in stone, Scorehead, but I know that the Ranger is a SCORE employee for sure. Ranger was doing "Scoreboard Updates" at night long before The SCORE became the White Sox flagship.

When WSCR 670 took over as flagship of the Chicago White Sox Radio Network, pre & postgame host Bryan Dolgin, along with PBP John Rooney, didn't follow the Sox from ESPN Radio 1000 to The SCORE after the 2005 World Series title season. If the Sox leaves The SCORE, the Ranger wouldn't necessary follow the team to their new home. If the Sox re-sign with The SCORE, the Ranger likely stays. I'm not so sure the Ed Farmer/Darrin Jackson experiment will continue much longer...


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Shark, I think Rooney leaving after '05 was due to the fact that Reinstorf didn't renew his contract.

From my recollection, it was pretty clear by the end of the '05 season that the St. Louis job was going to be open, so I'm not sure how much Rooney even wanted to stay given the fact that he is a Missouri native.

I do miss him, though. DJ has gotten better on the radio, but I think the radio broadcast suffers when you have two players in the booth and not the play-by-play guy/analyst teams that seem to work the best. Of course, when the player analyst in the booth is a know-nothing (like Santo) or a sychophant (Hawk) it can suck also.

But I thought the Rooney/Farmer team was pretty solid. Rooney could stand on his own as a pro. The string of people they've put in the radio booth (save for Stone) defer way to much to Farmio for my tastes.

Am I the only one who has been pleasantly surprised by Chris Singleton as an analyst on ESPN broadcasts? I hated him w/Farmio, but he actually is pretty decent on ESPN.


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Actually, John Rooney was supposed to join Ed Farmer when 670 The SCORE became the White Sox radio home after the 2005 World Series title season. I think you are correct about the St. Louis Cardinals' job opening up, because like the Sox and WSCR, the Cards changed radio stations after the '05 season and John wanting to work that team's broadcasts. I believe Mike Shannon's contract was not renewed when the Cards switched from KMOX to their current radio home, sports talker KTRS.

I miss Rooney as well, because I thought not only were John & Ed Farmer were a solid team calling the Sox on radio, but there's professionalism that's sorely missing from WSCR's broadcasts now. White Sox fans deserve a much better broadcast than Farmer & Darrin Jackson. By the way, memo to D.J.: ENOUGH WITH THE OBSCURE MUSIC REFERENCES!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:01 am 
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If anyone comes back Riddle me this Batman. Just read this in the Trib about Kenny Williams talking to Beckham about his hitting. About going back to his set up from last year. Free his hands up and take his hacks, not worry about contract as much as getting a good swing and driving the ball.

Beckham said "It's reassuring and made a lot of sense". He moved his hands back in a more powerful position. Yanna yanna yanna

Now my question. Where's Walker the great hitting coach giving this advice? It takes the GM like a .223 lifetime hitter to come down from the office to show Beckman this? How will Ranger defend this one?


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 Post subject: Re: Ranger
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:17 pm 
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deepdish wrote:
If anyone comes back Riddle me this Batman. Just read this in the Trib about Kenny Williams talking to Beckham about his hitting. About going back to his set up from last year. Free his hands up and take his hacks, not worry about contract as much as getting a good swing and driving the ball.

Beckham said "It's reassuring and made a lot of sense". He moved his hands back in a more powerful position. Yanna yanna yanna

Now my question. Where's Walker the great hitting coach giving this advice? It takes the GM like a .223 lifetime hitter to come down from the office to show Beckman this? How will Ranger defend this one?

The Ranger will tell anyone who will listen what the REAL role of a hitting coach is and points the finger directly at the players themselves. That being said, I've got to agree with John "Rock" Mamola on this one. "Rock" said on the "JoeO & Rock Show" after the game last Saturday that Beckham's one of 5 players in Ozzie's everyday lineup hitting around .200 or below this season for the White Sox. While I disagree with "Rock" on sending Beckham back to Triple "A" Charlotte, I've got to think hitting coach Greg Walker's on borrowed time and may be one of the coaches that could soon take the fall for the Sox fortunes this season.


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