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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:23 am 
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(But Artest was a second rounder)


Well I guess this is as good a time as any to make my first post. While I do respect most of the local sports knowledge dropped on this board. After a few years of lurking, I have to say there are some holes here and there. And not the kind that Rachel Nichols and Doris Burke prefer stuffed (Well Maybe). Like when Mariotti wrote that column telling Lebron not to go to Chicago, none of you (Not even that smarmy Boilermaker guy) knew that Mariotti is from Ohio. Or the fact no one has outed Jimmy reardon on retardation as someone's passive aggressive mult who only posts in the politics section of a sports message board (Stalkery-obsessed). Or how Beardown has gotten past 10,000 posts of mostly worthless youtube videos and none of you have eviscerated him enough to make him leave the dark room in his grandma's basement and go find a boyfriend. Or how about some dude posting on a Chicago board as a washed up NY rapper (Total role/identity issues Hov, but ure hoops knowledge is def respected, except for what I read about Rasheed). Which now brings me to RPB. Ron Artest was the second first round pick in '99. Just so you know, Elton Brand was the number 1 pick that year. Actually one of the best drafts the Bulls have ever had. Too bad Tim Floyd couldnt coach.

* Ron Artest
* #37
* Guard-Forward
* Los Angeles Lakers
* Height: 6-7
* Weight: 260
* Born: Nov 13, 1979 - Queens, New York
* College: St. John's
* Draft: 1999 - 1st round (16th pick) by the Chicago Bulls

Queensbridge!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow just saw this. Thanks for the knowledge. I just remembered that it was Brand and Artest. Forgot they were both in the first rd.

I do know Mariotti is from Ohio and went to Ohio University


Oh and Jay Z is not in the top 5 lyricists, probably not even top 10.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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(But Artest was a second rounder)


Well I guess this is as good a time as any to make my first post. While I do respect most of the local sports knowledge dropped on this board. After a few years of lurking, I have to say there are some holes here and there. And not the kind that Rachel Nichols and Doris Burke prefer stuffed (Well Maybe). Like when Mariotti wrote that column telling Lebron not to go to Chicago, none of you (Not even that smarmy Boilermaker guy) knew that Mariotti is from Ohio. Or the fact no one has outed Jimmy reardon on retardation as someone's passive aggressive mult who only posts in the politics section of a sports message board (Stalkery-obsessed). Or how Beardown has gotten past 10,000 posts of mostly worthless youtube videos and none of you have eviscerated him enough to make him leave the dark room in his grandma's basement and go find a boyfriend. Or how about some dude posting on a Chicago board as a washed up NY rapper (Total role/identity issues Hov, but ure hoops knowledge is def respected, except for what I read about Rasheed). Which now brings me to RPB. Ron Artest was the second first round pick in '99. Just so you know, Elton Brand was the number 1 pick that year. Actually one of the best drafts the Bulls have ever had. Too bad Tim Floyd couldnt coach.

* Ron Artest
* #37
* Guard-Forward
* Los Angeles Lakers
* Height: 6-7
* Weight: 260
* Born: Nov 13, 1979 - Queens, New York
* College: St. John's
* Draft: 1999 - 1st round (16th pick) by the Chicago Bulls

Queensbridge!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow just saw this. Thanks for the knowledge. I just remembered that it was Brand and Artest. Forgot they were both in the first rd.

I do know Mariotti is from Ohio and went to Ohio University


Oh and Jay Z is not in the top 5 lyricists, probably not even top 10.


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Oh and Jay Z is not in the top 5 lyricists, probably not even top 10.


You've officially lost all credibility and your application into the lodge has been denied. Image

Dude he's not even the best lyricist of your screennames


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I will say this:

Eminem ate Jay-Z up on Renegade.

And if you've heard the original track with Royce Da 5'9", you'll know that Royce's verses also killed Jay-Z.

But...The Black Album and American Gangster are Hip Hop classics.

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I don't know who is right in this battle but I think we can all agree that Nelly makes the list.

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First list that came up on google but I happen to agree with it heavily. (Yes there is Wu represented but it really was the first one to come up under top 5 rap lyricists.)

Id have Gza ahead of Nas :D


10 Greatest PURE Lyricists. I judged this on how many times ive said the words "WOW" in listening to their lyrics, their decisive creativity, punchlines, albums, status in rap music, and of course, their ability to use metaphors, similes, wordplays, and multi-syllable flows. Of course many of you wont agree with the order, but you gotta agree i know my stuff after this. Ive also included links to some of their albums to give me and my friends some more hits and to give you more info. So Enjoy...

10 - Redman
Whether you like it or not, Redman deserves a spot here. With nearly every one of his albums having an impact, and his three first albums being classic and near-classic, then you know this emcee deserves it. Whether he is with the dope emcees in Def Squad, or collaborating with Method Man, he should be placed here. His incredibly creative lyrics add comedy to each track, but he also has the ability to be introspective and shows shades of it, but never fully goes into that persona. Definetely one of the best in the game right now.

Albums:
- Whut? The Album
- Dare Iz a Darkside
- Muddy Waters
- Doc's Da Name
- Def Squad - El Nino
- Redman & Methodman - Blackout
- Malpractice


9 - Kurupt
West Coast rapper Kurupt is extremely underrated. Though his subject matter is limited at times, you cant deny Kurupt has the rap ability to be one of the best, and he shows it when he spits clever rhymes and metaphorical flows about anything and everything. He is definetely the stand-out member of the Dogg Pound, and is also a member of the Horsemen. In fact, three out of the four Horsemen members are on this countdown. Canibus, Ras, and Kurupt, the only one missing is Killah Priest, who is also a very dope lyricist and also deserves to be on this list, but didnt make the cut. This should put a smile on Paulyoungotti's face.

Albums:
- Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
- D.P.G. - Dillinger & Young Gotti
- Kuruption
- Tha Streetz is a Mutha
- Smoke Boogie: Space Oddysey
- Tha Dogg Pound - 2002


8 - Pharoahe Monch
One of the most underrated and forgotten acts in hip hop pops in at Number 8. With his debut album Internal Affairs, the former Organized Konfusion member has hit hip hop hard. His tight delivery and excellent execution of big words and his ability to seemelessly touch on a variety of topics makes him a top lyricist. He has the ability to fit words together seemlessly. His lyrical tactics vary from social-consciousness to pure venomous battle raps, each containing their own multi-syllable flow and advanced complicated lyrics. Definetely should be listened to.

Albums:
- Internal Affairs


7 - Gza
The Master of the Metaphorical Microphone lands in at number 7. Just a step behind the other emcees is Gza, and it was tough to place him on here cause sometimes i feel like he deserves to be 5 or 6. Ask any hip hop head about Liquid Swords, and the response is unanimous. Classic. Not to mention the other releases by this man have also been strong and he has been placed as the undisputed leader of the Wu-Tang Clan, probably the greatest group in hip hop. I highly reccomend picking up his new Legend of the Liquid Swords album, which is probably the illest record that is in stores right now.

Albums (Solo):
- Words from the Genius
- Liquid Swords
- Beneath the Surface
- Legend of the Liquid Sword
- Also appears in all Wu-Tang Albums


6 - Nas
Nasty Nas clocks in at number 6. Almost a decade of hip hop has been overlooked by Nasty Nas. With his amazing creativity, unmatched flow, and classic after classic, Nas belongs on the top 10. Even though after Illmatic, he went on a downhill fall into commercialism. However, he has produced Illmatic, one of the greatest albums in hip hop history. He reclaimed his throne of New York with Stillmatic, and added to his list of great albums with Lost Tapes and God's Son. This guy will always be looked as at as a legend and one of the best pure lyricists ever.

Albums:
- Illmatic
- It was Written
- The Firm - The Firm Biz
- I am
- Nastradamus
- Stillmatic
- From Illmatic to Stillmatic - The Remixes
- The Lost Tapes
- God's Son


5 - Ras Kass
Ask any true hip hop head what album they consider to be the most lyrical, and the majority will choose Soul on Ice by Ras to be at the top. Ras Kass's amazing metaphors is beyond that of any other artist. Crafting one the all time greatest hip hop tracks ever with Nature of the Threat, that completely sealed the deal. In listening to his amazingly introspective and poetic lyricism, high advanced use of big words, and perfectly fitting verses add to it. The only reason he hasnt been higher is because of the fact that he has severely fallen off and cant seem to continue with consistent hits. His follow-up albums have been mainly crap. But Soul on Ice is a MUST HAVE for everybody.

Albums:
- Soul on Ice
- Rassassination
- Van Gogh


4 - Mos Def
The Mighty Mos Def comes in at #4. After coming out with two flawless albums and appearing on a variety of Rawkus Compilations, Mos Def has completely deserved to be the #4 pick. His amazing delivery, incredible voice patterns, and ability to manipulate the microphone has left a mark on my cd player. His awesome metaphors, similes, clever rhymes, storytelling, and introspectiveness puts him as one of the all time GREATEST rappers of all time, period. Amazingly enough, he almost always delivers a multi-syllable flow, and its in awe. Dont believe me? Just listen to RE:Definition for a perfect example of what this man can do. Amazing that you can attain all of this with just two albums, but he has done it, all due to his pure talent. I can't wait to hear his next release.

Albums:
- Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star
- Black on Both Sides


3 - Canibus
The alltime supreme lord of battle rap lands at #3. After watching him rip so-called legend LL Cool J to shreds, he has claimed his throne. His perfectly crafted battle raps and unorthodox style is genius. The man has skill oozing from every single pour on his body and anybody who dares step up to challenge this emcee is sure to get completely obliterated. Never wasting a lyric, and always spitting venomous battle rhymes is his specialty. Unfortunately, weak production has plagued his albums from being classic, not to mention his constant battle raps, which limits his subject matter. However, when it comes to pure mic mastery and emcee skills, he exells over everyone in his path.

Albums:
- Can-I-Bus
- 2000 B.C.
- C - True Hollywood Stories
- Mic Club - Curriculum 101
- My Name is Nobody


2 - Eminem
The white trash bastard who is currently ruling hip hop music with an iron fist deserves to be at #2, no matter what anybody thinks of me. This emcee is no doubt the illest emcee out there today, and is untouchable. Very few rappers nowadays are as creative, inventive, or clever as this dude. He has the ability to be introspective, comedic, intelligent, and storytell all at the same time, and injecting cleverness in each and every verse. He is virtually unbeatable on the mic when it comes to battles, and he has trampled over other emcees in his career without even breaking a sweat. Some of his victims include a cadre of pop-stars, Everlast, Benzino, The Insane Clown Posse, and Limp Bizkit (funny how they are all white). He has delivered on each and every one of his albums with fury and almost never falters.


Albums:
- Infinite EP
- Slim Shady EP
- Slim Shady LP
- Marshall Mathers LP
- The Eminem Show
- D-12 - Underground EP
- D-12 - Devil's Knight


1 - Rakim
Of course, youd expect the God Rakim Allah to be at the top being the greatest lyricist of all time. Besides having that, he is also the first PURE lyricist to ever come out. Fueling on pure multi-syllable and perfectly conjucted words, this man CAN NOT be touched whatsoever. The king of braggadiocio, which will make you look utterly retarded on the mic, and make himself like royalty, definetely deserves to be #1 and no doubt inspired pretty much everybody on this list. This is one of the few artists where virtually no line he has ever spat has been filler or wasted and each line is carefully crafted together seemlessly. His delivery and lyricism leaves me in "awe" each time he spits, and he's continued to get better and better as the years go by. His confidence is unmatched, and he has a right to be. Now teamed up with Dre we await his new album this year, which is sure to rock the hip hop world.

Albums:
- Paid in Full
- Follow the Leader
- The 18th Letter
- The Master



Other mentionables and explanations as to why they didn't make the list:

[color=#0000FF]Jay-Z (Has fallen off from his Reasonable Doubt days, though he still has his moments of amazing lyricism. He probably would be around 11 or 12 with Common. But hes overrated extremely, like D'Von has said)

KRS-One (The Teacher, Legend, Great, but not enough multi-syllables)
Common (He would be probably 11 or 12, but hes more of a poet)
Kool G Rap (Another great rapper, probably would be in the top 20)
Guru (A bit too monotone at times)
Jedi Mind Tricks (Need more material... not too known)
2pac (Never went too complicated, but when he did, it was good)
Notorious B.I.G. (Usually suffered from poor subject matter)
Ice Cube (Fell of Drastically, but had his moments)
Outkast (both members) (Probably 13 or 14, yet there are two)
Jadakiss (Poor Subject Matter, and is beginning to decline)
Q-Tip (Drastically Fell off... not to complicated)
Big D (Cause you havent heard me yet) [/color]


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I agree with some selections on that list, but no list should include Ras Kass and Kurupt yet exclude Big Pun and Talib Kweli. No way. However, I do appreciate the inclusion of Pharoahe Monch. Very underrated.

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 Post subject: Re: Game 7
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I mostly agree Simonson

Kurupt is really weird. He's in my top 460

Ras Kass is not on mine either.


I'd put Too $hort ahead of both of em.


GURU would make my list


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I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyricly
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But i did five Mil)
I ain't been rhymin like Common since
When your sense got that much in common
And you been hustlin since
Your inception
Fuck perception
Go with what makes sense
Since
I know what i'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most impor-tant
And i can't help the poor if i'm one of them
So i got rich and gave back
To me that's the win, win
The next time you see the homie and his rims spin
Just know my mind is workin just like them
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I'd put Too $hort ahead of both of em.


If only because of his line about Nancy Reagan, he would make my list :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I'd put Too $hort ahead of both of em.


If only because of his line about Nancy Reagan, he would make my list :lol: :lol: :lol:

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RPB can't be serious right now. I'm the all time heavy weight champion of flow-ers. I'm leading the league in at least six statistical categories right now. Best flow, most consistent, realest stories, most charisma, I set the most trends and my interviews are hotter. Holla

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I like Kurupt's voice and flow....he has a nice flow..but yeah the subject matter is limited and he actual content isn't all that good

it's kind of hard to compare though based on the various styles all of them have..I mean Redman is a punchline rapper. And probably one of the best if not the best. So how would you compare him to GZA who has a totally different style

Also, Mos Def is very overrated on that list. I like him, but always just thought of him as slightly above average.


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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
I will say this:

Eminem ate Jay-Z up on Renegade.

And if you've heard the original track with Royce Da 5'9", you'll know that Royce's verses also killed Jay-Z.

But...The Black Album and American Gangster are Hip Hop classics.


Reasonable Doubt
Volume 1-3
Dynasty
Blue Print 1 and 3 (Gift and the Curse is starting to grow on me)
Kingdom Come (for some reason that gets no love)
Best of Both Worlds

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Does anyone besides HOVA think Jay Z is #1?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Does anyone besides HOVA think Jay Z is #1?

SHAKE THAT

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Dude he's not even the best lyricist of your screennames


Can't ya'll see he's fake, the CSFMB version of T.D. Jakes...And this is with whom you want to place your faith? And yall bought his shit- caught up in the hype.
Cause RPB wear a coofie, it don't mean that he's bright. Cause you don't understand him it don't mean that he's nice. It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write...I been real all my life, but they confuse it with conceit. Cause I will not lose, they try to help him cheat. But I will not lose, for even in defeat there's a valuable lesson to be learned so it evens it up for me. When the grass is cut the snakes will show. I gotta the little homey RPB for that though...Big Fan can't save you this time, RPB is history

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Does anyone besides HOVA think Jay Z is #1?


He was in my top 5 when we did a list about 5 years ago but based on longevity and consistency I have to put him at the top of the list. No one has done it like he has at the same level for 15 years. He's switched up his style a few times too.

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Nas probably think Michael Beasley is a better lyricist than Rakim


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Nas probably think Michael Beasley is a better lyricist than Rakim


I love him but but his career pretty much ended in the early 90's. Unless I'm mistaken he had about a 5 year run.

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Nas probably think Michael Beasley is a better lyricist than Rakim


I love him but but his career pretty much ended in the early 90's. Unless I'm mistaken he had about a 5 year run.


I have not listened to his latest album (which I heard was terrible) but he did have a few decent singles in the 00's...I remember one Preemo track he was on,

here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbgmPTys-Mk

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