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Bucky Chris
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Sources: Bulls unloading Hinrich's salary
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The Chicago Bulls have a deal in place that would move Kirk Hinrich and the 17th pick to the Washington Wizards, freeing up enough cap space to pursue two maximum-salary players on this summer's free-agent market, sources with knowledge of the Bulls' plans said Thursday.

It wasn't immediately clear what Washington would send to Chicago in the trade.

The deal can't be officially consummated until July 8, when the Wizards will have room under the salary cap to absorb Hinrich's $9 million contract without having to send back anything of similar value.

Since it's a good-faith deal for the time being, there remains a chance it could fall apart. But according to one source, the Sacramento Kings are prepared to make a similar deal with the Bulls in the Wizards' stead if that were to happen.

Either way, moving Hinrich and the pick would push Chicago's space under the cap from $20 million to more than $30 million. That puts the Bulls on equal footing with the Miami Heat in pursuing not just one but two members of a free-agent class that is expected to include LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudemire and Joe Johnson.

Ric Bucher covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.
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Sweet, now for sure I'll never see bigfan in the hawks section again w00t w00t!

Good luck to you bulls fans, hope everything works out well in the next two weeks

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I don't want to jinx it but there is no way that Lebron and Bosh don't end up here now if this deal goes through.

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I'd prefer it if Deng goes, but this will also work big time!
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I didn't think Kirk's salary was enough to get you over the hump.

9MM + 1.3MM = 10.3MM with about 4 extra already .... makes it real tight. With cap holds, I don't know if you can do it without moving other pieces.

I guess that depends on what you have to take back.
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Since it's a good-faith deal for the time being, there remains a chance it could fall apart. But according to one source, the Sacramento Kings are prepared to make a similar deal with the Bulls in the Wizards' stead if that were to happen.


Wow hopefully this doesnt fall through

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Sources: Bulls unloading Hinrich's salary
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The Chicago Bulls have a deal in place that would move Kirk Hinrich and the 17th pick to the Washington Wizards, freeing up enough cap space to pursue two maximum-salary players on this summer's free-agent market, sources with knowledge of the Bulls' plans said Thursday.

It wasn't immediately clear what Washington would send to Chicago in the trade.

The deal can't be officially consummated until July 8, when the Wizards will have room under the salary cap to absorb Hinrich's $9 million contract without having to send back anything of similar value.

Since it's a good-faith deal for the time being, there remains a chance it could fall apart. But according to one source, the Sacramento Kings are prepared to make a similar deal with the Bulls in the Wizards' stead if that were to happen.

Either way, moving Hinrich and the pick would push Chicago's space under the cap from $20 million to more than $30 million. That puts the Bulls on equal footing with the Miami Heat in pursuing not just one but two members of a free-agent class that is expected to include LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudemire and Joe Johnson.

Ric Bucher covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.


His math is off. The Bulls would still have $22M in salaries on their books. If the salary cap is at $56.1M that would be enough to bring in 2 max guys.

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He doesn't mention what the Bulls would get back either. If I am dreaming for a second the Bulls may have one of the best lineups in NBA history next season.

Noah
Bosh
Deng
LeBron
Rose

Is this why Phil is trying to leave on top?

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He doesn't mention what the Bulls would get back either. If I am dreaming for a second the Bulls may have one of the best lineups in NBA history next season.

Noah
Bosh
Deng
LeBron
Rose

Is this why Phil is trying to leave on top?



I need to stop reading NBA threads. Shit like that is getting my hopes way too damn high.

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He doesn't mention what the Bulls would get back either. If I am dreaming for a second the Bulls may have one of the best lineups in NBA history next season.

Noah
Bosh
Deng
LeBron
Rose

Is this why Phil is trying to leave on top?

Hopefully they can still dump Deng.
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Who is going to be our grindy white guy now?

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Who is going to be our grindy white guy now?
Joakim Noah is white.

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He doesn't mention what the Bulls would get back either. If I am dreaming for a second the Bulls may have one of the best lineups in NBA history next season.

Noah
Bosh
Deng
LeBron
Rose

Is this why Phil is trying to leave on top?

Hopefully they can still dump Deng.


Why would you want to dump Deng if you can get Bosh and LeBron without dumping him?

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He doesn't mention what the Bulls would get back either. If I am dreaming for a second the Bulls may have one of the best lineups in NBA history next season.

Noah
Bosh
Deng
LeBron
Rose

Is this why Phil is trying to leave on top?



I need to stop reading NBA threads. Shit like that is getting my hopes way too damn high.


My fear is Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer.

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I think it's time for me to break out the Ron Mercer jersey.

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If you can't get Bosh and Lebron, they better not spend it, just to spend it. Like Bernsy has been saying, save it for Melo and Durant.

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HOVA wrote:
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He doesn't mention what the Bulls would get back either. If I am dreaming for a second the Bulls may have one of the best lineups in NBA history next season.

Noah
Bosh
Deng
LeBron
Rose

Is this why Phil is trying to leave on top?

Hopefully they can still dump Deng.


Why would you want to dump Deng if you can get Bosh and LeBron without dumping him?

You can free up that much more cash and get someone reliable to replace Deng. He is just to damn fragile and not a clutch player IMO.
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even if they were close i think Reinsdorf would consider paying luxury tax in this siutation
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If you can't get Bosh and Lebron, they better not spend it, just to spend it. Like Bernsy has been saying, save it for Melo and Durant.


Melo is about to re-up with the Nugget.
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even if they were close i think Reinsdorf would consider paying luxury tax in this siutation

You can only go into the luxury tax by re-signing your own guys. Keep in mind that the Bulls have to fill out an entire roster of 15 guys. We're probably going to see a few guys back from last season.

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even if they were close i think Reinsdorf would consider paying luxury tax in this siutation


I agree that he would but he doesn't have that option. He isn't allowed to go over the salary cap to sign other teams free agents (MLE and BAE signings are a couple exceptions).

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If you can't get Bosh and Lebron, they better not spend it, just to spend it. Like Bernsy has been saying, save it for Melo and Durant.


Melo is about to re-up with the Nugget.


If Bernstein has been saying that he is a complete fucking idiot. Noway any of those guys wait until next year to sign a deal.

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carmen, jurko, and harry say chicago can't compete with miami for attracting the top FA's.

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carmen, jurko, and harry say chicago can't compete with miami for attracting the top FA's.


Any NBA fan should immediately turn the station.

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If you can't get Bosh and Lebron, they better not spend it, just to spend it. Like Bernsy has been saying, save it for Melo and Durant.


Melo is about to re-up with the Nugget.


If Bernstein has been saying that he is a complete fucking idiot. Noway any of those guys wait until next year to sign a deal.

Agreed. With the CBA expiring, there is no way either of them wait on signing extensions until next summer.

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carmen, jurko, and harry say chicago can't compete with miami for attracting the top FA's.


Any NBA fan should immediately turn the station.


and listen to the Ranger instead?

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That would probably be more informative than what they are talking about.

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carmen, jurko, and harry say chicago can't compete with miami for attracting the top FA's.


Any sane person should immediately turn the station.


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Courtesy of the cap smart guys at Real GM's Bull Board, here is where the Bulls stand regarding two MAX free agents:

dougthonus of Real GM's Bulls Board wrote:
Just as an FYI since everyone seems to be reporting that we can sign 2 MAX guys that's not the case.

Assuming a 56.1 million dollar cap, and the Bulls sign one max guy:
Max guy: $16,568,908
Luol Deng $11,345,000
Derrick Rose $5,546,160
Joakim Noah $3,128,536
James Johnson $1,713,600
Taj Gibson $1,117,680
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Roster hold $473,604
Total $41,787,904

Remaining for final FA: $14,312,096


So they are about $2.2MM short.
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