What does it say about LeBron if he stays with the Cavs? I believe it means he prefers to dance rather than win. I'm not sold LeBron or Bosh will come here but LeBron would be stupid to stay.

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I can't imagine he would stay. They've had 7 years and they don't have the financial flexibility to make moves within the near future to help them.

Although, I think if he didn't come to the Bulls, I rather him stay in Cleveland.

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Team Cutler.

That is fair but Joe Johnson won't get as many shots with the Bulls. He was the primary scoring option in Atlanta. While Joe Johnson is the better player I don't think he would be able to be a role player. That is what Deng is. Even on the nights he puts up big numbers you don't really notice him doing it. Joe needs a lot of shots to do it an Rose and LeBron may not be too happy. LeBron and James are basically the same age too(Deng 4 months younger). Those 4 years really make a difference when it comes to winning multiple titles.

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Cleveland says they won't trade LeBron. Even if they did IMO the Bulls would have more to offer. They have their 1st round pick and the Bobcats going into next seasons draft and they also have Luol Deng. The Heat have Beasley and no one seems to want him because he is a headcase.

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Why take the chance on a guy that you may have to hide in a couple years? That's a very expensive chance. I would prefer them to target a PF if they get LeBron. Even if they don't get LeBron I would prefer them not to pay max money to Joe Johnson/Amare/Boozer/Lee. IMO Wade and Bosh are the only other guys worthy of max deals.

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You need to check his stats the last few years in Phoenix. He might not have been a true role player but he was not the main option yet at that point by far. He had similar numbers. I would assume if he signed here with LBJ and having Rose he would realize he is not the #1 option. Maybe I'm wrong and he's a huge egomaniac and would still think that but I doubt it.

Lest the point be lost though if your argument is that he's not worthy of a max deal, I agree wholeheartedly. As a complimentary player he would be outstanding.

from yahoosports.com....still insists that the bulls are the favorites...


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... nets063010

With consistent minutes you or I could probably average close to double figures in that offense. That really isn't the point though. He was 23 and 24 at the time. He is 30 now. That is a huge difference IMO. I could be wrong but I think Joe Johnson is a risk I would avoid. He'll get a max contract from someone though.

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You feel Bosh is worthy of a max deal despite not ever winning anything but you're worried about Johsnson 2 or 3 years down the road. He's only 30!!!!

In recent years the Cavs added Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, Jamison....because they needed someone who could hit an outside shot to open up the lane for James. You don't think Joe Johnson could do that. You're telling me teams wouldn't think twice about collapsing on James when Johnson is standing out on the arc for a wide open 3? That was the Cavs problem...yeah, I like Bosh, Bosh is good, Bosh will hit FT line jumpers...but Bosh will not space the floor for James.

I believe you can get someone cheaper to do it. You have guys like Frye and Korver who could do the same for about 15% of the salary Johnson will get this year. No one other than Wade has won anything so winning isn't really an issue. Bad things happen to guys after they turn 30.

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OK...but I showed you the stats from the Phoneix years and from last year. They are very similar in terms of percentage. That tells me that there has not been a huge dropoff. Yes, I would expect a dropoff in some point as he ages but *if* he's on a team where LESS is expected of him, he can maximize those later years. Yes, if he resigns w/ the Hawks now as has been mentioned, I would agree that he cannot *carry* a team that much longer if he has at all (if you don't think the Hawks have been successful) But if he in an offense where he does not have to exert as much effort he can be productive for longer

Well of course if you can get someone cheaper to do the same thing you would do it. I can't believe you're comparing guys like Frye and Korver to Johnson though....that's insane. The point is moot though- if they get LBJ then yes, they don't really *need* someone with a skill set like Johnson at the price he will command.

I don't think I've ever said JJ is worth a max deal- I really don't think he is. in a perfect world of course I would rather have him over Frye and Korver....but if the argument is would I rather have Bosh or JJ as the 2nd "big guy" assuming they got LBJ, I'd take JJ

Key stats here. Rose, Noah, Bron and JJ would be more than enough to take care of Wade, Bosh, and ? Don't forget we have Deng for the "intangibles" and the 17 and 7 he provides. Not bad stats to go along with JJ and BRONBRON HUH?

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Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin' at fools like me
Who in the hell d'you think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

And if this is how it goes down, we'll get a Korver or Reddick to shoot them three's.

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Better get yourself together
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin' at fools like me
Who in the hell d'you think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

From the article....

Two self-made global moguls, Prokhorov and minority owner Jay-Z, will come calling to convince James to join up and make it a threesome.

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Last year was a contract year. He only shot 45% too. He has shot over 43% for a season 3 times in his 10 year NBA career. His scoring has actually declined the last 3 years. This is the Ben Wallace trend that I noticed several years ago.


Deng's career numbers:
15.8 PPG
6.5 Reb
1 Stl
2.2 Ast
1.7 TO
47.4 FG
76.7 FT
38.3 3PT (last 3 seasons)

4 years younger and about $6M cheaper and a better defender.

Joe Johnson career numbers:
17.6 PPG
4.3 Reb
1 Stl
4.5 Ast
2.2 TO
44.3 FG
79.2 FT
37.4 3PTP (career)

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Laugh at me when it's all said and done but I believe nothing that I hear and all that I feel. This sounds crazy but Bron and Bosh will be Bulls. I understand speculation is fun but logic reigns supreme. Unless "they" want a "relevant" league, LBJ and Bosh will sign together. I believe Bron has no intentions of a "relevant" league and all he wants is to win titles. That's why I conclude he'll end up as a Bull. Bank it.

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Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin' at fools like me
Who in the hell d'you think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

I'm not comparing them to Joe Johnson you are. They provide better outside shooting at a fraction of the cost. That's if you're getting Joe Johnson exclusively for outside shooting. You would take Joe Johnson over Bosh if you got LeBron and Deng and Rose was still on the roster? Now that is insane. You would pass on inside scoring for another perimeter option?

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There are so many rumors involving LeBron James & Chris Bosh coming here, Bosh going to Miami, James staying in Cleveland, both coming to Chicago, I'm getting kinda dizzy! Besides, there's now talk Joe Johnson might stay in Atlanta, and not take a sign & trade as I heard with Dallas yesterday!

If they were the same age I would take Joe Johnson in heartbeat. Going forward I truly believe Deng will be the better option.

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After Dan LeBatard tweeted this morning about a rumored sign & trade involving Chris Bosh going to Miami and Michael Beasley among the players going to Toronto in return, the Miami Herald columnist & sports radio host down there is retracting...Fellow scribe, Philadelphia Inquirer columnist & FOX Sports Radio host Stephen A. Smith's also backtracking on reports earlier this week about LeBron James & Bosh going to Miami. I can't tell what's truth, what's fiction or if these columnists are simply full of themselves...

That guy was talking about James Jones?? Someone kill him please. What an asshat

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Team Cutler.

SHARK, where did you hear that about SAS?

well lets save this post and compare their careers the next few years.

Fair enough.

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CHARDON, Ohio -- A Chardon judge issued a warrant for the arrest of Cleveland Cavaliers forward J.J. Hickson, who failed to show up for two hearings on a speeding ticket, officials said.

Hickson, 21, told Chardon Municipal Court officials that he will appear in court today. He was cited on May 27 for driving 61 mph in a 25 mph zone on Mayfield Road in Chester Township, authorities said.

He did not appear for a hearing on June 7, or a second hearing on June 14, court officials said. Judge Mark Hassett issued a bench warrant for Hickson's arrest on Monday.

Hickson has been convicted four times in Rocky River Municipal Court since May 2009 for speeding and has a fifth speeding case pending there, according to court records.

His lawyer, Henry Hilow, could not be reached to comment on the case.

Hickson averaged eight points and five rebounds a game for the Cavaliers last season. It was his second year in the NBA. He played one season at North Carolina State University before the Cavs made him the 19th pick of the 2008 draft.

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They're full of somethin' alright, sister .....

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

If Deng is traded to bring in Bosh do you fill his spot by getting a guy like Ray Allen that can shoot or do you kick the tires of a Josh Howard?

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Ray Allen has less of a risk involved in that he is a pro and will go out there and play without causing too much trouble. If you can manage to get Bosh here I think that is what will be more important. Obviously Howard has the higher upside in talent but at this point I would go after Allen.

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somewhere in the bowels of this board there is a post i made about 5-6 years ago about LJ's future as a Bull. i think Nas may have responded with some wise ass comment.

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