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Jason Goff's "peeps" have apparently told him that the Wade and Bosh deals will be announced shortly by the Bulls.

Who knew Goff had peeps? Are they related to Terry's peeps?

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my new current gut feeling is that the Bulls will be ok this time around.

Stern fixed the D.Rose lottery, the Celtics megadeal and the Lakers Gasol deal, so he can fix this, too.

NBA will be BACK if Chicago gets back to the top!


Celts mega deal: Wasn't McHale running the show in Minneapolis when they moved KG? I can't remember.

Gasol deal was a no brainer. Pax could have him if it wasn't for untouchables in his dumbass mind.


That's incorrect. I have a close family friend involved with Heisley, and the bottom line is, the deal was agreed upon but Uncle Jerry wouldn't agree to pay the luxury tax.


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Jason Goff's "peeps" have apparently told him that the Wade and Bosh deals will be announced shortly by the Bulls.

Who knew Goff had peeps? Are they related to Terry's peeps?

Terry's answering machine got checked this time.

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That's incorrect. I have a close family friend involved with Heisley, and the bottom line is, the deal was agreed upon but Uncle Jerry wouldn't agree to pay the luxury tax.


Which one is incorrect: Gasol or KG?

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That's incorrect. I have a close family friend involved with Heisley, and the bottom line is, the deal was agreed upon but Uncle Jerry wouldn't agree to pay the luxury tax.


Which one is incorrect: Gasol or KG?


Gasol. The Bulls had a trade in place for Gasol, but Reinsdorf wouldn't approve it because the team would've had to pay the luxury tax. This has been widely reported on sports talk radio over the past couple of years.

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That's incorrect. I have a close family friend involved with Heisley, and the bottom line is, the deal was agreed upon but Uncle Jerry wouldn't agree to pay the luxury tax.


Which one is incorrect: Gasol or KG?


Gasol. The Bulls had a trade in place for Gasol, but Reinsdorf wouldn't approve it because the team would've had to pay the luxury tax. This has been widely reported on sports talk radio over the past couple of years.



This. Just saying, I heard this from a person who directly heard it from Heisley.


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That's exactly what Grizzlies' President Michael Heisley told the Memphis Commercial-Appeal a couple years ago when he told people that the Bulls didn't want to pay the luxury tax before Pau Gasol ended up going to the Lakers for a song.


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Been on vacation all week so I apologize if this has already been posted...

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/L ... 03759.html :oops:

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If Lebron wants to win, he comes to the Bulls. If he wants to make friends, family, and fans happy, he stays in Cleveland. I find it funny that Cleveland showed him a fucking cartoon. I think that would be embarassing to a organization who is trying to keep the best player in the league. I hear people say that the new coach Scott knows how to win a championship as a player and coach. He may know as a player, but as a coach he had 1 really good season, but didn't win shit, and then they fell off the next 2 seasons.

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1) Melo hasn't won anything.



I seem to remember that Melo was pretty instrumental in Syracuse's 2003 NCAA Championship....maybe it was my imaginary television?


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From what people more knowledgeable about the NBA than me if Lebron wants the best chance of winning next season he stays in Cleveland if he wants the best chance of a long term winning situation he comes to the Bulls.


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Everyone predict the number of rumors we'll here 99 percent of which will be pulled out of the butts of the reporters between now and THursday,

I just hope this is over soon.

Heck it might even be over sooner. If he stays in Cleveland can't he sign before Thursday?


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While it's evident to people close to him that LeBron James will make this decision alone, don't underestimate the influence of a Maverick.

No, we're not talking about John McCain or Dirk Nowitzki, but Maverick Carter, LeBron's business manager and buddy from St. Vincent St. Mary High School.

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports it was Carter who pushed out NBA power broker "Worldwide" William Wesley - agent for Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau and alleged source of 'LeBron to Bulls is a done deal' - from last week's meetings in Cleveland.

Wojnarowski writes,

The wresting back of power into James’ Akron-based camp goes a long way to securing the Cavs’ chances for re-signing James. This could preserve James’ future with the Cavaliers, because those surrounding him will eagerly validate his decision to take more money, stay home and keep them all relevant in his career and life.

While the Bulls were the favorites heading into this process, especially among national writers, there is growing sentiment the Cavaliers now have the edge.

Wojnarowski goes on to write,

Officials from teams who made these presentations went along with the charade, but some questioned the legitimacy of the process based on the kinds of questions that were thrown back to them. "It didn’t take long to realize you’re dealing with 25-year-old kids," one source said.

Which brings us to that 'Family Guy' cartoon the Cavaliers showed LeBron during their visit on Saturday. The New York Daily News writes this about it,

A source told The News that the animated movie lampooned everyone from Pat Riley to [Knicks owner James] Dolan and included plenty of locker room humor. It was written by screenwriters Bill Collage and Adam Cooper and directed by Brian Gilbert.

There is a scene where an owner named James Colan continues to reprimand a basketball general manager named Denny Welsh for speaking out of turn.

"Be quiet," Colan says repeatedly, "you're not authorized to speak."

Funny stuff to be sure - and more bad news for Knicks fans - both LeBron James and Maverick Carter were not at the second meeting between the Knicks and James' agent. That's like asking for a meeting with the President and getting Chris Matthews instead.

So, if we cross off the Knicks (and maybe the Bulls) and you're still not convinced LeBron is staying?

Consider then Brian Shaw, the Cavaliers-coach-to-be until he suddenly wasn't. Lost in the frenzied hiring of Byron Scott the day before the Cavs' presentation to LeBron, was an interview Shaw did with a Los Angeles radio station and transcribed by ESPN.com. Shaw told the Mason & Ireland Show on ESPN 710 in L.A.,

When I got a chance to ask questions, of course my first question was let’s talk about the possibility of [LeBron] not returning to the team and what things are going to look like then and what plans you have to fortify the team and make it better. It was an issue that they didn’t really want to think about or to talk about.

I kinda felt like maybe they know something that I don’t know.

All told, three things that make you go 'hmmmmm' equal another 'Looking Good' on the 'Meter today.

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They turned that downtown office building into a public parade of billionaires and builders of dynasties, entertainment icons and what-are-they-doing-here Clippers. The big, wide world took turns marching into the heart of Cleveland to make dramatic presentations to a hometown hero in a T-shirt, shorts and sneakers.

Here was Team LeBron making the headquarters of James’ fledgling marketing company LRMR into the Grand Central Station of a city’s hope and heartbreak. And perhaps the Cavaliers showed why they best know the biggest free agent in sports history when they delivered a presentation designed as much to steal a 14-year-old away from a traveling baseball team than woo a self-proclaimed disciple of Warren Buffett.


Through it all, James’ old team probably played it perfectly. The Cavs understood their audience the best: LeBron James(notes) and his high school buddies, 25-year-olds trying to play the part of a global corporation but ultimately still reached at a meaningful level with cartoons and locker-room humor.

A week ago, most teams believed they were chasing the Chicago Bulls for James, but that’s flipped in the past days and hours. “My gut tells me Cleveland,” an executive in the James chase told Yahoo! Sports on Sunday. “From what I hear now, it’s his decision alone. No outside influences.”

Officials from teams who made these presentations went along with the charade, but some questioned the legitimacy of the process based on the kinds of questions that were thrown back to them. “It didn’t take long to realize you’re dealing with 25-year-old kids,” one source said.

Cleveland executives are still on edge, but privately feeling far more confident now than they did weeks ago. As much as anything, William Wesley has been muscled out of the process in the past week or so, with teams insisting that communication to James goes directly through his business manager Maverick Carter. So unnerved over World Wide Wes’ ubiquitous presence in the process, Carter had to go public to undermine Wesley’s credibility and proclaim his own power.

The wresting back of power into James’ Akron-based camp goes a long way to securing the Cavs’ chances for re-signing James. This could preserve James’ future with the Cavaliers, because those surrounding him will eagerly validate his decision to take more money, stay home and keep them all relevant in his career and life.

Team LeBron turned this courtship of presentations into a marketing tool for the breadth of his brand, into a visual of the heavy-hitter suitors ultimately being rebuffed out of James’ loyalty and love for Cleveland. This entire episode made for around-the-clock news and Twitter frenzy. From the offices of LRMR, James has delivered a relentless reminder that’s he’s the world’s most wanted man in high tops. He needed the threat of leaving, even if there was never truly the intent.

What’s more, James and his guys have ramped up the launch of a new personal website and foreshadowed it as the place to find out first the big news on his free-agent choice – one that possibly won’t be made until he’s done marketing the LeBron James Skills Camp in Akron through Wednesday.

In the end, the Cavs can still offer James the most money, and no city will celebrate his arrival more than Cleveland will rejoice his refusing to leave. Cleveland fans felt like they had lost him, like he was going to get swept away into the world beyond Northeast Ohio. Something changed in the playoffs. Always, there was a sense that if he left there, the onus would be on the organization; that it didn’t do enough, that it didn’t surround him with the proper talent. Only this time, the Cavs did. James’ no-show performance in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference semifinals against Boston scarred him everywhere. He hadn’t delivered on the burden of an MVP, and suddenly the narrative of the story had dramatically changed.

Coach Mike Brown was fired, general manager Danny Ferry was pushed out and an awkward pursuit of Tom Izzo ensued under owner Dan Gilbert’s watch. Everything about James’ future in Cleveland felt so flimsy. In the end, Gilbert did get right the hiring of Byron Scott as coach, a man with an ability to make people feel confident about situations, to feel confidence in his presence.

Despite sources saying Scott’s old New Jersey point guard Jason Kidd(notes) didn’t back down from past criticisms when called by Cleveland officials, the unwavering praise of Chris Paul(notes) went a long way with the Cavs. Scott is a smart coach for James, a balance of old-school sensibility with a willingness to give his superstars complete freedom to dictate terms on the floor.

For all the New Jersey Nets’ promises of world treasures, the flashing of Pat Riley’s rings, the young talent of the Bulls and the calling of Madison Square Garden, this process has made some suitors skeptical of James’ seriousness. Even so, all the teams have to tell their fans that they had a great shot and wowed him and his buddies in the presentations.

Armed with a commitment from Amar’e Stoudemire(notes), the Knicks sent two executives to Cleveland on Saturday to run some cap numbers past James’ agent Leon Rose. James’ people have privately described the Knicks as a long shot, but New York has wisely tried to stay aggressive selling itself. For now, the Knicks are the one team with an All-Star caliber forward on the way.

The Knicks are willing to pay Stoudemire $100 million, something no one else with cap space is willing to do. New Jersey would take Stoudemire if James also promises to sign, a source said, but won’t meet his demands for a maximum contract as a solitary commitment.

Still, mostly this may turn out to be an exercise in lavishing LeBron James with what he craves the most: a lustful longing for his greatness. Deep down, LeBron had to walk out of those offices with an understanding that no one can make him a billionaire and no one can promise a circumstance much better than what he’s had in Cleveland these past seven seasons. For him to leave, there would be so much pressure to deliver a championship upon arrival, to honor the biggest free-agency score in history. And it leaves to you wonder whether he truly wants any of that.

LeBron James has always sold his hopes of wanting to conquer the world, of turning into a historically transcendent athlete and icon. All that sounds wonderful, but here’s what everyone does know: He’s going to be a wildly successful basketball player, maybe a five- or six-time MVP and, barring misfortune, an NBA champion.

And maybe most of all now, you get the idea that James is an overgrown teenager getting a few laughs with his buddies, driving home to Akron from this cattle call in Cleveland to watch cartoons, play video games and kill some time until he gives the nod to post the big news that maybe the rest of us should’ve known all along: He’s home.

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If LBJ stays in Cleveland just what in the fuck does that say about the Bulls?

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Ric Buchler of ESPN has tweeted that most likely Lebron stays, Wade Bosh to Miami, and Bulls get shitty Boozer. If this happens, it will be a huge let down and embarassing.

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Ric Buchler of ESPN has tweeted that most likely Lebron stays, Wade Bosh to Miami, and Bulls get shitty Boozer. If this happens, it will be a huge let down and embarassing.


If this is true LeBron just took asshole to another level. Granted no one had to go see him but he didn't have to do what he did if he knew he was staying. Why wait until Wednesday? IMO he just made life that much tougher for himself. At least he has his cartoons.

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It says we're going to be suiting up Pete Myers and Bill Wennington to play next season.

None of big three are coming. Maybe we'll get Boozer. What's Ron Mercer doing these days?

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Ric Buchler of ESPN has tweeted that most likely Lebron stays, Wade Bosh to Miami, and Bulls get shitty Boozer. If this happens, it will be a huge let down and embarassing.


If this is true LeBron just took asshole to another level. Granted no one had to go see him but he didn't have to do what he did if he knew he was staying. Why wait until Wednesday? IMO he just made life that much tougher for himself. At least he has his cartoons.


I know it seems implausible, but what if he truly hadn't made up his mind yet? I think that's increasingly possible.

Some think he has just been doing this for the publicity but if that were the case, I think he would have gone on "visits" and things like that. He has been completely under the radar, telling no one anything. Personally, I just think he did the right thing and explored all their options. Blame the Bulls for making all the moves without collecting enough info. To me though, they did the right thing even if they "only" get Boozer.


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Ric Buchler of ESPN has tweeted that most likely Lebron stays, Wade Bosh to Miami, and Bulls get shitty Boozer. If this happens, it will be a huge let down and embarassing.


If this is true LeBron just took asshole to another level. Granted no one had to go see him but he didn't have to do what he did if he knew he was staying. Why wait until Wednesday? IMO he just made life that much tougher for himself. At least he has his cartoons.


I know it seems implausible, but what if he truly hadn't made up his mind yet? I think that's increasingly possible.

Some think he has just been doing this for the publicity but if that were the case, I think he would have gone on "visits" and things like that. He has been completely under the radar, telling no one anything. Personally, I just think he did the right thing and explored all their options. Blame the Bulls for making all the moves without collecting enough info. To me though, they did the right thing even if they "only" get Boozer.



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You're still in hell with guys like Salmons, Hinrich and the like. I'm just all for tearing this team down to the core (Rose/Noah mostly) and starting over. IMO, the way the team was constructed, it was simply never going to truly compete. Wiping the books has given us the best shot at being good... especially if the cards fall right and we pull one of the big 3.


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Ric Buchler of ESPN has tweeted that most likely Lebron stays, Wade Bosh to Miami, and Bulls get shitty Boozer. If this happens, it will be a huge let down and embarassing.


If this is true LeBron just took asshole to another level. Granted no one had to go see him but he didn't have to do what he did if he knew he was staying. Why wait until Wednesday? IMO he just made life that much tougher for himself. At least he has his cartoons.


I know it seems implausible, but what if he truly hadn't made up his mind yet? I think that's increasingly possible.

Some think he has just been doing this for the publicity but if that were the case, I think he would have gone on "visits" and things like that. He has been completely under the radar, telling no one anything. Personally, I just think he did the right thing and explored all their options. Blame the Bulls for making all the moves without collecting enough info. To me though, they did the right thing even if they "only" get Boozer.


He was going on visits until he found out how unpopular the world tour was. The guy wanted some attention. After this thing is over you will hear a lot of people's feelings about him. He's worried about being hated in Cleveland now but he will be fried everywhere else for every little thing he does. The honeymoon will be over. He'll get the Kobe treatment and I don't think he is mentally strong enough to deal with it.

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If Lebron stays in Cleveland, and Wade and Bosh go to Miami, and Amare ends up in New York, I still think the Bulls can compete with any of those teams. Obviously, that means that Rose has to go from very good player to great player but with a couple more moves I think the Bulls would still be as good as anyone.

The Cavaliers can't do anything to help Lebron because they already sold out whatever they could to win the past two years. Wade and Bosh look to be great on paper but Wade needs to hold up and behind them you don't have much.

It then depends on the Bulls being in a good position to now take on salary for teams looking to cut it. You might be able to add a piece with someone looking to try and strike in free agency or avoid issues with the luxury tax.

Obviously getting Lebron or Wade or Bosh would be better but all isn't lost if they don't get them.

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With Boozer you're still .500 and in basketball hell.


With ONLY Boozer you are probably a 4th or 5th seed. You need a little more if you're going to win a title. It may be good for Rose not to have LeBron. I would actually rather have David Lee than Boozer if I had to settle for one player. The Bulls will still have about $14M more to spend too. They'll be fine.

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Why does everyone seem to think that Lebron is going back to Clev and Wade back to the Heat?

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Why does everyone seem to think that Lebron is going back to Clev and Wade back to the Heat?
I don't actually. I would think that if Lebron was staying in Cleveland he would have announced it at the camp he's running in Cleveland. I imagine that no matter where he ends up he'll want to do a press conference pretty soon after and he doesn't want to leave his tournament.

If anything, he isn't positive he wants to stay in Cleveland.

Most likely, you can pre-order your Lebron Bulls jersey.

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I agree Brick, if he was staying then why would he still have not announced anything??

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:41 pm 
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He's just teasing them now before he makes his decision

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 Post subject: Re: LEBRON TO CHICAGO?
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HOVA wrote:
He's just teasing them now before he makes his decision


How does that benefit him at all?

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I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


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