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Very simple. You don't trust what this guy is doing,but you allow him to trade your veterans for hopefully young talent that will affect your future? THAT is very poor management from ownership. The fact that Hendry is still in charge now,just might mean he is back in 2011. A new GM might know about a youngster that Hendry does not and steal a kid. It reminds me of the Bears firing a GM after the draft. They did that with Angelo's hiring,I think.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:00 am 
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Hold on to your seat Jimmy, but I actually agree with you. If Hendry is going to be fired then they needed to do it before now. If you allow him to make these midseason deals, then I dont see any way in the world he is not back next year.

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Hendry, speaking strictly in terms of trades, has been really solid. I trust his ability to negotiate and get maximum value back in return.

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While I agree that Hendry needs to get fired I am honestly interested in what kind of prospects you all think the Cubs are going to be getting back from these trades? Lee is having a crappy year and is old. Lilly has gotten lit up in his last 3 starts and Silva is well Silva. Do you really think that these guys are going to bring in a bevy of front line talent in return?

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WHY STOP NOW?

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I thought Reuben Quevedo was going to be the real deal :oops:

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Phil McCracken wrote:
I thought Reuben Quevedo was going to be the real deal :oops:


He looks like Bryant Gumbel.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
I thought Reuben Quevedo was going to be the real deal :oops:


He looks like Bryant Gumbel.


If Bryant Gumbel ate Greg Gumbel then maybe....

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My first instict is to think that Ricketts is keeping Hendry if he lets him do the sell off. But really, does it really matter what GM does the selloff? You're not getting anything for Lee and Lilly anyway, so it probably doesn't matter. Ricketts' vote of confidence really means nothing. Many guys have been canned after votes of confidence. So, my hope is that he shitcans the guy after the season and conducts a very careful and intelligent GM search.

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Tarrick Brock? Who in the hell is that guy? I know the Cubs have had some real winners for prospects, but that one takes the cake.


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Question for CSFMB:Was it Mark Hatfield that stayed GM through the draft?


Mark Hatfield was a senator, Mark Hatley was the GM


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jimmypasta wrote:
Very simple. You don't trust what this guy is doing,but you allow him to trade your veterans for hopefully young talent that will affect your future? THAT is very poor management from ownership. The fact that Hendry is still in charge now,just might mean he is back in 2011. A new GM might know about a youngster that Hendry does not and steal a kid. It reminds me of the Bears firing a GM after the draft. They did that with Angelo's hiring,I think.

Question for CSFMB:Was it Mark Hatfield that stayed GM through the draft?


Ricketts has no fucking idea what he is doing. Hendry, Lou, & Rothschild should be fired immediately with Trammel named as the interim Manager for the remainder of the season, & bring Ryno up to spend a few Months as the bench coach in preparation for next year.

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My first instict is to think that Ricketts is keeping Hendry if he lets him do the sell off. But really, does it really matter what GM does the selloff? You're not getting anything for Lee and Lilly anyway, so it probably doesn't matter. Ricketts' vote of confidence really means nothing. Many guys have been canned after votes of confidence. So, my hope is that he shitcans the guy after the season and conducts a very careful and intelligent GM search.

The question is can Hendry get more for Lilly than the pick(s) they'd get if he leaves as a Type A FA. Lilly does have value in a pitchers ballpark. The guy is a pro. Lee has minimal value outside of defense and clubhouse presence to a team badly needing a 1st basemen. I don't seem much there at all. Ditto Nady.


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i hate Hendry, he is a bully

but why people talk about his job is beyond me...his job is more than safe...he is a main reason for our success last decade...the complete opposite of McPhail

Hendry is fine unless we go thru 2 more losing seasons after this one

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he is a main reason for our success last decade


OK....I'm going to be as kind as possible.....what fucking "success" are you referencing? Seriously, is this how low you've set the bar as a Cubs fan?

Hendry has possibly the worst results vs. money spent of any G.M.

Here's an interesting link:

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/201 ... ent-teams/

Nothing pisses me off more than this so-called "success" some fans refer to under the Hendry regime. His great "success" would have had his ass fired years ago in any other major market.


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Hendry got alot of credit early for the Lee and Ramirez acquisitions, and rightly so. But since then, it has been all downhill, including some abso-fucking-lutely BRUTAL trades and signings. Let's take a jaunt down memory lane, shall we?

Dusty Baker, Jacque Jones (3 year deal), Soriano (8 year deal), Jason Marquis (3 year deal), Jeff Samardzija (5 year deal), Fukudome (4 year deal), Milton Bradley (3 year deal), Juan Pierre for Ricky Nolasco, trades for Rich Harden, Kevin Gregg, Aaron Heilman, Nomar Garciaparra, and John Grabow (subsequent 2 year deal).

And his so called "franchise prospects"? Rich Hill, Corey Patterson, Felix Pie? He's built a piss poor farm system which to date has produced NO stars. Can you name ONE legitimate star the Hendry farm system has produced other than possibly Carlos Marmol?

So what has be "built"? This hot pile of garbage? Keep it.

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Johnny,
Your preaching to the choir. Yes,the ballclub had some great seasons. Was it due to Hendry or could you give any shit-kickin' rube 150 million dollar payroll and there is a good chance they strike gold? Thanks for the refresher course though. Actually,Marquis was not terrible for a 5th starter. I can see some of those signings at the time they were made but not for that kind of cash. Like has been mentioned,he competes against himself when it comes to spitting up cash.

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Your preaching to the choir. Yes,the ballclub had some great seasons. Was it due to Hendry or could you give any shit-kickin' rube 150 million dollar payroll and there is a good chance they strike gold? Thanks for the refresher course though. Actually,Marquis was not terrible for a 5th starter. I can see some of those signings at the time they were made but not for that kind of cash. Like has been mentioned,he competes against himself when it comes to spitting up cash.

You hit it on the head with the payroll number. A big payroll covers alot of mistakes. When you're the Rangers, Twins, Rays, etc, you need to be doing it smarter. Theo Epstein cut his teeth with small market teams Baltimore and SD. Just because you're now with a big market club doesn't mean you don't have to make smart choices. Hopefully the next GM will.

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jimmypasta wrote:
Very simple. You don't trust what this guy is doing,but you allow him to trade your veterans for hopefully young talent that will affect your future? THAT is very poor management from ownership. The fact that Hendry is still in charge now,just might mean he is back in 2011. A new GM might know about a youngster that Hendry does not and steal a kid. It reminds me of the Bears firing a GM after the draft. They did that with Angelo's hiring,I think.

Question for CSFMB:Was it Mark Hatfield that stayed GM through the draft?


Ricketts has no fucking idea what he is doing. Hendry, Lou, & Rothschild should be fired immediately with Trammel named as the interim Manager for the remainder of the season, & bring Ryno up to spend a few Months as the bench coach in preparation for next year.


HENDRY SHOULD BE FUCKING FIRED BECAUSE OF THIS WASTE OF A PAYROLL OF $147,000,000 FUCKING DOLLARS....
You are pure FUCKING HOOTERVILLE....You have been screaming to fire the whole fucking world since May.....I SUPPOSE THE FUCKING NITWITS WOULD BE WORLD SERIES FAVORITES IF THEY HAD FOLLOWED YOUR ADVICE???

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jimmypasta wrote:
Very simple. You don't trust what this guy is doing,but you allow him to trade your veterans for hopefully young talent that will affect your future? THAT is very poor management from ownership. The fact that Hendry is still in charge now,just might mean he is back in 2011. A new GM might know about a youngster that Hendry does not and steal a kid. It reminds me of the Bears firing a GM after the draft. They did that with Angelo's hiring,I think.

Question for CSFMB:Was it Mark Hatfield that stayed GM through the draft?


Ricketts has no fucking idea what he is doing. Hendry, Lou, & Rothschild should be fired immediately with Trammel named as the interim Manager for the remainder of the season, & bring Ryno up to spend a few Months as the bench coach in preparation for next year.



How Cubbie...Ryno to the Rescue!!!!

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It's true that every GM makes good and bad deals. Cashman, Jocketty, Gillick, and Theo have had their stinkers. But the bad ones didn't hurt them too much and the good ones won championships. That's the difference between a great GM and an average one. It's a very small margin for sure.

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What is my point? I think Hendry gets a lot of blame undeservedly. Unfortunately, we place the anger in the wrong place. The anger should be with the use of farm players as bargaining chips that were held for too long. Patterson, Murton, Pie, etc. Overvalued and not traded early on. Why? The farm system was unable to evaluate talent. Thankfully this has changed a bit over the past few years. But that is the travesty. The inability to move their farm system players resulted in having to sign big name free agents to fill positions.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hendry director of player development before being handed the GM job? So I would say the anger is in the right place. The farm system, under the watchful eye of Hendry, was unable to evaluate talent.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
Crystal Lake Huffy wrote:
What is my point? I think Hendry gets a lot of blame undeservedly. Unfortunately, we place the anger in the wrong place. The anger should be with the use of farm players as bargaining chips that were held for too long. Patterson, Murton, Pie, etc. Overvalued and not traded early on. Why? The farm system was unable to evaluate talent. Thankfully this has changed a bit over the past few years. But that is the travesty. The inability to move their farm system players resulted in having to sign big name free agents to fill positions.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hendry director of player development before being handed the GM job? So I would say the anger is in the right place. The farm system, under the watchful eye of Hendry, was unable to evaluate talent.

And Oneiri Fleita was a big upgrade. :roll:

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Crystal Lake Huffy wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Crystal Lake Huffy wrote:
What is my point? I think Hendry gets a lot of blame undeservedly. Unfortunately, we place the anger in the wrong place. The anger should be with the use of farm players as bargaining chips that were held for too long. Patterson, Murton, Pie, etc. Overvalued and not traded early on. Why? The farm system was unable to evaluate talent. Thankfully this has changed a bit over the past few years. But that is the travesty. The inability to move their farm system players resulted in having to sign big name free agents to fill positions.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hendry director of player development before being handed the GM job? So I would say the anger is in the right place. The farm system, under the watchful eye of Hendry, was unable to evaluate talent.


He was; however, I question how much the former regime controlled things. Hendry was able to evaluate pitching, but definitely not positional players.


Let's face it....they're fucked for the next 3-5 years or who knows how long. Fucking Cubs.


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