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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:13 pm 
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I will say this. With as good a bullpen as the Sox had in 2005 (and year thier starters were great, but the pen was amazing), Cito would NOT have let 4 complete games happen in the ALCS. Bring in the pen in to one or more (or all) of those games and who knows what happens.

Ozzie was also ready to let Buerhle go out for the 10th inning of Game 2 if it went to extras, and Cito wouldn't have done that.

Does this have anything to do with a certain amount of pitcher fatigue that contributed to losing 15 of 24 in Sept 06? Again, just asking, not trying to be a dick about it.

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Clearly you have written your own history on this. There was NOWHERE NEAR the clamoring for Ozzie Guillen as there has been for Ryne Sandberg.

Nowhere near. I am right in that regard.
Forget re-writing history, you're pre-writing it. There isn't some groundswell of support for Sandberg, other than radio shows fanning the flames to get meatballs to call in.


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Clearly you have written your own history on this. There was NOWHERE NEAR the clamoring for Ozzie Guillen as there has been for Ryne Sandberg.

Nowhere near. I am right in that regard.


What?? How do you determine this? WHO is "clamoring" for Sandberg?? Is there a "clamoring meter," a device once thought imaginary but one owned by none other than our very own Cubs/Sox shit-stirrer Francis?? I, for one, am a Cubs fan. I know alot of other Cubs fans, and none of them are "clamoring" for Ryne H. Fucking Sandberg - how do we determine that you ARE right in that regard??


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hackwilson's ribbies wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Clearly you have written your own history on this. There was NOWHERE NEAR the clamoring for Ozzie Guillen as there has been for Ryne Sandberg.

Nowhere near. I am right in that regard.


What?? How do you determine this? WHO is "clamoring" for Sandberg?? Is there a "clamoring meter," a device once thought imaginary but one owned by none other than our very own Cubs/Sox shit-stirrer Francis?? I, for one, am a Cubs fan. I know alot of other Cubs fans, and none of them are "clamoring" for Ryne H. Fucking Sandberg - how do we determine that you ARE right in that regard??

I'm not clamoring for Ryno. I think he's the least qualified of available managers.
Maybe cubbiesgirl or whistler but really do fans of a team that really don't get baseball count?

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Yeah I think the general level of clamoring from real Cubs fans in this managerial search is pretty subdued. Most if not all real Cubs fans I know are just bummed out about Hendry still being around so that since he is involved in this managerial search it makes me less excited about whoever is involved.

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I will agree with Frank there was no outcry for Ozzie, but then again Sox overall relevance prior to Ozzie was touching 20 year lows and part of the reason Uncle Jerry wanted Ozzie was for the exact thing he is doing today, The Buzz.

At the same time there is no outcry for Ryno based on his playing days. It is based on the fact he spent 4 years in the minors preparing for this job. I question Hendry overall if he does not promote him to at least a bench coach, because then what was the point of him being in the minors then? You are basically saying he is not going to be a good manager and you should fire him.

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I remember it like Frank does. In fact, I think the vibe was, "Cheap Jerry is going to hire unproven Ozzie rather than two time World Series winner Gaston. Typical Sox move."

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The meatball chapter of Sox fans wanted Ozzie. Maybe with Sandberg its on a greater scale because of it being the cubs.

I dont really care, Im reliving my honeymoon with baseball. Cubs vs Phi from 87 on comcast! Dawson hit 3 homers! Lee Smith with the two inn save, over half the players had mustaches, Harry and a young non bitter Stone on the call.


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Who the fuck was that shortstop? Paul Noce? I barely remember him. Frank DiPino. Classic!

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Who the fuck was that shortstop? Paul Noce? I barely remember him. Frank DiPino. Classic!

I was wondering the same thing. That was my first year really watching baseball. I idolized Dawson.

Paul Noce? Where was Dunston? Michaels had the b team in, Jody was on the bench.

They were so skinny, 271/ 17 /82 was a real good year, 3.40 was a bad ERA.

Juan Samuel and Von Hayes, AWESOME

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Dawson 5
Phillies 3

Thats pretty advanced for 87~

I forgot about Harrys elongated "BAAAAAAALLLL 3, now he's gotta throw a strike!"


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Don't most managers pick their own bench coach? How does Hendry promote him to Bench coach?

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Was Ozzie more qualified to be a Manager than Ryno? Who had more training & preperation?

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Was Ozzie more qualified to be a Manager than Ryno? Who had more training & preperation?

Well yeah he was. . Ozzie was a major league coach with two teams and one WS winner.

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Was Ozzie more qualified to be a Manager than Ryno? Who had more training & preperation?

Well yeah he was. . Ozzie was a major league coach with two teams and one WS winner.


There you go again arguing with facts .... and obvious ones at that .... will you never learn?

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Was Ozzie more qualified to be a Manager than Ryno? Who had more training & preperation?

Well yeah he was. . Ozzie was a major league coach with two teams and one WS winner.


There you go again arguing with facts .... and obvious ones at that .... will you never learn?


I couldn't recall what Ozzie did before becoming the Sox Manager.
Rickett's will get torched if he doesn't name Sandberg as the next Cubs Manager. He'll go with the populace.

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I hear Brenly has a bigger penis than sandberg, but thats just what I hear.

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I believe that Ricketts WILL name Sandberg the Manager, but not until this season is concluded. When he bought this team he inherited a GM and a Manager, neither of which he chose. Once he hires either, the clock starts ticking. These new hires, are guys he will be held accountable for by fans. So making a change now is a bad idea. It gets the clock started sooner, rather than later. Sandberg will get a longer "grace period" from fans than a guy like Brenley or Trammell would. I doubt that Ricketts will spend on talent like Prince Fielder and Cliff Lee and try to win right away. I believe he will trade away as many older players as possible and build with youth. Guys like Colvin, Castro, and Soto will be built around. That being the case, it's likely to be a couple years before they are ready to truely contend again. So having a manager that will generate a bit more patience and understanding in the interim, will be desired.

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Going younger does not equate with losing. "85 Bears were youngest average age team in NFL. I think this years Blackhawks were amonst the youngest. I believe the Cubs will contend with a mix of youth and some vets sprinkled in. Whomever the manager is next season,he can not be like Dusty "Can't turn your back on Holly" Baker.
Lou had no problem throwing a rookie into the fire. Soriano and his insane contract should have been cut in Spring Training. The way I look at it,if you designate LF a rookie/cheap FA position over the life of the Soriano contract,you are actually just costing your team an extra million or so each season (Soriano gets 14M + Rookie replacement getting 750,000 a year) This way you rid yourself of the albatross and might get better overall performance from that position. This season,Soriano has been doing pretty good though.

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Soriano and his insane contract should have been cut in Spring Training. The way I look at it,if you designate LF a rookie/cheap FA position over the life of the Soriano contract,you are actually just costing your team an extra million or so each season (Soriano gets 14M + Rookie replacement getting 750,000 a year) This way you rid yourself of the albatross and might get better overall performance from that position. This season,Soriano has been doing pretty good though.


You had me til this part, jimmy - there's no way that Ricketts just eats that caish. It's been said before and it's the truth


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HWR,
But do you see what I'm saying? You can cut him & not make it hurt so bad by designating low salary options in LF the next 5-6 years.
I'm glad to see he has been pretty consistent this year. Not 14M worth but better than he has been.

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I dunno, all I wanna see on the field is the best guy that we can get at that position. Obviously the best case scenario is for Sori to tear it up next season and be one of the top offensive players at midseason and have a desperate GM take him off our hands with minimal financial consideration to be thrown in-doubt that's gonna happen. If we're losing all that money, I can't see us paying enough to put a competent player in there to replace him. Sucks. We're stuck.


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I should also acknowledge that Soriano has had an okay year, not worth 19 MILLION DOLLARS, but okay...


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it's likely to be a couple years before they are ready to truely contend again.


we are contending this year

next year is even more of a sure thing

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it's likely to be a couple years before they are ready to truely contend again.


we are contending this year

next year is even more of a sure thing

If the goal is suck, then yes, the Cub is right there contending for that. I also agree and am not at all going to be disappointed about next year, if Shingles dos the right things.

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we are contending this year

next year is even more of a sure thing


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