guys, the problem is rex had like zero time compared to brady today. those 1st couple series, rex had time, bears move ball.

after that...nada.



you saw brady make bad throws the very very few times the bears got pressure up there.

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if you believe the bears are in a "win now" position, then you care nothing about the team. Rex is still a work in progress, not the Second Coming of Luckman. The team will make it to the playoffs, have a VERY good chance at making the NFC Championship at a MINIMUM, and this is during Grossman's first full season.

Give him time, I think he has deserved that much at least.

I watched the Broncos/Chiefs game on Turkeyday and saw an ineffective Plummer play his last game as a starter.

I think you may see the same if Griese came in and tried to run this offense. I could be wrong, but that's what I think.

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not having enough time should equal sacks not int's

griese is an ex pro-bowler and was 6-0 last year before he got hurt. he would of won todays game!

I think there are two things I learned from this game.. Grossman will continue to have happy feet in the pocket regardless what kind of protection he gets.. it's something he needs to work through and.. the coaching staff needs to learn to control him. They need to be the ones to tell him to look underneath and pick his way down the field.

I think Grossman can still do good things in the playoffs. He can't win on the road, but they're setting themselves up to have home field throughout the playoffs. (How'd those Giants do today?)

Also, they lost to the only true dynasty in football over the past few years by 4 points. The defense wasn't spectacular, but they only gave up 17 points. The score was closer than I expected and if Gould hadn't missed that kick, who knows how the game would have unfolded from that point.

Yeah, I'm seriously concerned about the D-line. They made a lot of big plays early in the season, but they've been really damn silent in the last 5-6 games. Even when they blitzed they were unable to pressure Brady. That's a disturbing thing; any QB will tear you up with no pressure. The secondary did a good job of forcing turnovers, otherwise they Pats probably would have hung a big number on them. By and large, they moved the ball with ease.

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Rex didn't make stupid plays, he made bad passes, they exploited a weak Patriot secondary and all of his interceptions should have been completions if they were on target. Where in gods name is Ogunleye, where is a pass rush, no sacks. And I felt that those were good PI calls and they made up for the two obvious PI calls that were missed in the first half.

even rex' completions were under thrown. he's got to stop his happy feet!

Giving time will cause the d to lose some important guys and the rest of the division to catch up. time to win is now

Bears have a good pass rush...they just played a very good OL today. Brady has only been sacked 18 times all year...

Grossman's inability to handle pressure and his propensity to force throws and throw picks is no surprise... but that doesn't mean Griese would be better against that defense.

That final TD drive was brutal, Urlacher mssing that tackle and the Pats go 3-3 on 3rd down

Yeah, Brady picking up 2 first downs on the ground? Ouch.

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Grossman's inability to handle pressure and his propensity to force throws and throw picks is no surprise... but that doesn't mean Griese would be better against that defense.[/quote]


i agree but we'll never know unless we give him a try.

The Pats got a few breaks today including Junior Seau's arm . Pretty grusome but he's a dickhead anyway ..

The Pat's db's were all over the Bears wideouts and there should have been another 3 to 4 flags on them in the first half.. Brady had all day in the pocket but Rex has to grow up in this offense already . I'm not ready to yank him but he needs to calm down and just read his wideouts and lead them to the passes and not thorw behind them ..

Were 9 and 2 and have homefield almsot locked up and we are on a course to face the Cowboys in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP here . If Rex shits down his pant leg next week , we have to make a change and get Grise ready for the playoffs.

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Does anyone, and I mean anyone, think that Rex Grossman is capable of 3 games in a row in the playoffs without giving up 4 turnovers. We WILL not win if he gets 4 turnovers and I have seen nothing to show me that he won't have a game like this in the playoffs.

This defense is so good. We cannot wait for Rex to develop. We are not rebuilding. This team must win this year and I really don't think Rex can keep the ball safe for 3 games in the playoffs. For anyone that will say that I am jumping all over Rex, I have been saying this well before this week.

Also, the record as a starter is BS. If you want to win a lot of regular season games then keep Rex in. In a one loss and you are out scenario, we can't afford to let Rex learn how not to throw bad passes. That is the reason that we benched Kyle Orton, who also won a lot of games with our defense.

Rex Grossman was the primary reason for 2 losses, and no one else was close. He was the worst player out there for the Arizona game but the Bears pulled it out.

He is the weak link and he is not getting better. If anything he is getting worse. His QB rating is sinking. His interceptions are way up and his touchdowns are way down.

What has anyone seen that gives them a feeling that we can win in the playoffs with Rex?

The fact that he has looked great at times. The Bears should have run more and the D-line needs more pressure. You go 2-1 on the three game road swing and hand the Pats one in their house, they need to dumb the offense down a bit and Rex needs to be more accurate. His fumble was killer and that last Pat's TD drive was awful. Plus no Manning or Johnson for most of the game.

If not for the turnovers deep in Bear territory, the Pats would have blown out the Bears. What I have seen over the last 4-5 weeks concerns me. I hope the Bears have bottomed and they will rebound and get hot going into the playoffs.
I would not "buy" the Bear yet though. Rex is having more bad games than good ones. I need to see more Benson and less gunslinging Rex.

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who's better in the NFC, God the coach, his QB Jesus and the rest of the Cowboys?

I am not saying whose better or who is worse, R&Blows. I am just pointing out that the Bears have not looked good lately and if that continues they are not going far in the post season. The book is out on them. Pressure Rex and he will give it up. If it isn't the Cowboys then it may be the Panthers.
The coaching staff needs to make adjustments on both sides of the ball or it's one and done, IMO. If that means personnel changes and philosophy changes then so be it.
If they are going to win the superbowl changes are going to have to be made.

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Mr. Reason, I agree with most of that. Been back in town this weekend so Weekend with the family+ ND getting humiliated+ Bears loss= me getting into arguments on a message board. I dont really think though that the pressure was the reason for Rex's INT's, it was poorly placed passes, I really think that Pat's secondary is weak and Rex's inaccuarcy was the problem, not the O-line or the pressure. And the Bears lack of pressure on Brady was also a problem

I'm assuming Rex is not calling the plays, so why the fuk is Turner calling for a bomb on the first play after the turnover?

The Bears could have run the ball (Jones and Benson) and got into striking distance with the clock running down.

Oh, well. Another week of handwringing and "what ifs".

Better than being a Packers, Giants, Lions fan.

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Rex's innacuracy resulted from happy feet that resulted from him being on the ground alot. I am not a Rex basher but he hasn't looked good lately, especially when he is pressured. I think it is as much offensive play calling as the QB. Turner needs to rethink his strategy and put in the Orton game plan. The best QB for that game plan is Griese, however.

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how about the shotgun!

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Only if it's aimed at Rex.. Our luck the gun would fire and the bullits would sail over Rex's head.

Sorry Frank , your reffering to the QB not being under center , correct ?

YOU being in Bozeman, I don't know how you people think .

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I see none of you who are calling for Griese remember the Griese in his non pro bowl years (all except one). He was nothing special and got run out of Denver and booted from Miami for a crippled Culpepper. Did Rex make some dumb ass decisions as usual, absolutely, but as you all know the back up QB is the most popular person in town. Just wait till he gets into a game and all of you will be begging for Rex to come back in. I just hope that those of you who are so down on Rex arent the same people who were pinning for him to replace Orton last year. If he was the savior last year, what makes him the shittiest QB on the team this year?

For once I will agree with Nas, everyone windsocking back and forth is just crazy. I bet I can find posts by all of you yucking it up about how great Grossman was at the beginning of the year. Nothing changed, he is the same QB now as he was then. He has always had a tendency to throw off his back foot, to throw into triple coverage, to overthrow/underthrow his receivers etc.

As i said earlier in the day, they are still the class of the NFC, but can and will be manhandled by the top 4 teams in the AFC.

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I don't think Grossman played a God awful game. It wasn't great but he got 2 long balls to Berrian for pass interference. Doesn't go into his stats but they were big plays. We have to live and die with Grossman. Griese isn't better. Period. Can Grossman win 3 straight postseason games to get the championship. Well, he can defidently win 2 home games? The Super Bowl? Not sure, not neccesarily because he's bad but because the AFC contenders are just good.

I've got to pin a couple of those int's on the receivers as well. Have they ever thought about fighting for a ball? Or, at least playing a little defense if they don't think they can catch it. I'm not taking Rex off the hook, but his receivers didn't do him any favors either.

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