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While it looks like a relatively small move let us not forget that Hendry did agree on a trade that was nixed by the leader of the spa/country club that is known as the cubs clubhouse. Aside from all that nonsense, Wallach looks like a big righty with above 1 strikeout/inning ratio. He is in fact Tim's son and was a 3rd rounder last year. He was in the midwest league upon the trade. Smit was just promoted to AA. He is a lanky reliever with decent stats, but nothing mind blowing.


If you're still bitching about Derek Lee, then stop.


He has every right to use his no trade and I have every right to bitch about him as long I have to see his sorry ass in the lineup.

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If you're still bitching about Derek Lee, then stop.

I thought it was a little shady to invoke NTC, but he does own the right to do so. I won't really miss him next year. Hell, we got us some nady right? :roll:



I'm guessing this post was made tongue in cheek, but if not... didja see him play this year?

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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
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While it looks like a relatively small move let us not forget that Hendry did agree on a trade that was nixed by the leader of the spa/country club that is known as the cubs clubhouse. Aside from all that nonsense, Wallach looks like a big righty with above 1 strikeout/inning ratio. He is in fact Tim's son and was a 3rd rounder last year. He was in the midwest league upon the trade. Smit was just promoted to AA. He is a lanky reliever with decent stats, but nothing mind blowing.


If you're still bitching about Derek Lee, then stop.


He has every right to use his no trade and I have every right to bitch about him as long I have to see his sorry ass in the lineup.


Then actually bitch about his sorry as in the lineup, not invoking his no-trade clause then ... try doing what you say in this case.

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I don't understand bashing the Cub at all for this deal. From a Dodger perspective this is a terrible deal. They trade 2 young pitching prospects and a garbage 2nd basemen for a garbage 2nd basemen and 2 months of Lilly?

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Was Brett Wallach the Good, Bad, or Ugly?? I forget

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Darkside wrote:
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If you're still bitching about Derek Lee, then stop.

I thought it was a little shady to invoke NTC, but he does own the right to do so. I won't really miss him next year. Hell, we got us some nady right? :roll:

Tyler Colvin will be the next 1B for the Cubs, no? He sure as heck can't catch the ball in the grass.

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I don't understand bashing the Cub at all for this deal. From a Dodger perspective this is a terrible deal. They trade 2 young pitching prospects and a garbage 2nd basemen for a garbage 2nd basemen and 2 months of Lilly?


I'm not gonna bash the Cubs, but by the same token I'm not ready to hold them up high either. I doubt that either team ends up realizing anything of value from this exchange, so in my world that's a wash. That, with the fact that they find themselves in this position because of their own poor judgment hurting them time and again, and I can see why people might tend to lump this trade in with their other complaints as well.

Also, Colvin @ 1B was my assumption as well ... who else goes there next year? I have my doubts that Lee would be excited to take a one year deal at a significantly reduced salary ... then again, maybe he REALLY doesn't want to change teams; who the hell knows.

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Why wouldn't you take a run at a lefty 1B in the offseason? Fielder, Dunn, Adrian Gonzalez? Just freed up 25M with Lee and Lilly gone.

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Why wouldn't you take a run at a lefty 1B in the offseason? Fielder, Dunn, Adrian Gonzalez? Just freed up 25M with Lee and Lilly gone.


I'm fairly certain Rickets isn't going to have his lads rush right out to put that $25m back on the payroll; maybe half of it, if we're lucky.

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I am very interested to see what they do this off season regarding that position. The hoff is and will always be a 4A player. There are a few guys down in Daytona and Tennessee that are putting up very average numbers. I would be interested to see how bad soriano would be there since he has to be here due to his monetary situation. I want to see that this season though because this season doesn't matter. Most likely he is going to be awful, but in the rare chance that he is serviceable there then it opens a spot for Brett Jackson in the OF. If not I wouldn't mind seeing them pick up Kotchman from the M's to hold it down until they find the real answer. I have been beating this dead horse into glue, but it is imperative that they make a change at that position. His D is still fine, his hustle is questionable, his hitting while not at all timely could be worse. The problem I have moving forward is that he is the leader in that clubhouse. The culture needs to change and it needs to change sooner than later with the young guys starting to be up there. Someone new needs to set the tone and raise the bar. No more complacency will be tolerated.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Why wouldn't you take a run at a lefty 1B in the offseason? Fielder, Dunn, Adrian Gonzalez? Just freed up 25M with Lee and Lilly gone.


I'm fairly certain Rickets isn't going to have his lads rush right out to put that $25m back on the payroll; maybe half of it, if we're lucky.

Gonzo and Fielder have one more year under team control so that would keep the price down in 2011. Gonzo is actually very cheap next year with a 5.5M club option.

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The Cubs have something like $106M committed to 9 players next season. I highly doubt they are going to bring in any big money free agents unless they are able to clear some of that money, which won't be easy to do.


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Meh, don't confuse activity with accomplishment. Is Brett any relation to Tim?


yes actually, it's his son

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The Cubs have something like $106M committed to 9 players next season. I highly doubt they are going to bring in any big money free agents unless they are able to clear some of that money, which won't be easy to do.

True but they only have about $56M committed in 2012. ARam and Silva have options that don't have to be picked up.

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This team is in the middle of a massive rebuild. Why would anyone want them to go sign an expensive free agent in the middle of this rebuilding process? If its going to be Colvin at 1st next year then let us welcome Brett Jackson to the OF. Fuk needs to find a new address this off season as well.

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This team is in the middle of a massive rebuild. Why would anyone want them to go sign an expensive free agent in the middle of this rebuilding process? If its going to be Colvin at 1st next year then let us welcome Brett Jackson to the OF. Fuk needs to find a new address this off season as well.

How often have you seen the Yankees or Red Sox go into a "massive rebuild" where they only play the kids and remain inactive in the free agent market? I'm not asking the Cubs to increase payroll. Why couldn't you keep payroll the same or slightly less while going after quality free agents that fit their needs?

Having said that, I have absolutely no confidence that Hendry is the right GM to build this team, so maybe Ricketts' plan is to keep Hendry until the big contracts are gone and then hire a new GM. I think that's a bad plan also because then you have a team of kids that may or may not pan out with no quality veterans.

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This team is in the middle of a massive rebuild. Why would anyone want them to go sign an expensive free agent in the middle of this rebuilding process? If its going to be Colvin at 1st next year then let us welcome Brett Jackson to the OF. Fuk needs to find a new address this off season as well.

How often have you seen the Yankees or Red Sox go into a "massive rebuild" where they only play the kids and remain inactive in the free agent market? I'm not asking the Cubs to increase payroll. Why couldn't you keep payroll the same or slightly less while going after quality free agents that fit their needs?

Having said that, I have absolutely no confidence that Hendry is the right GM to build this team, so maybe Ricketts' plan is to keep Hendry until the big contracts are gone and then hire a new GM. I think that's a bad plan also because then you have a team of kids that may or may not pan out with no quality veterans.


I just think this is a once in every 15/20 years rebuild. Having no minor league system for 10 years (its finally getting up to speed with the good teams now) and signing absolutely absurdly bad contracts has destroyed the core of this organization. The next 2 years should be spent fading out the bad contracts and developing tons of talent.

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This smelled a lot more like a move for the sake of making a move than it was a good solid baseball decision.


exactly...hendry's done that way too many times

acquiring dummies like Craig Monroe and Steve Trachsel and Cesar Izturis for Maddux

i had no problem with trading Lilly but Theriot boggles my mind...Hendry is a bully and its my opinion that he didnt want to face Theriot in arbitration again this year because he feels threatened by that...Hendry has such an ego and holds his personal vendettas above the good of the team...a guy makes one bad comment and he trades him...or suspends him...WTF

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Tyler Colvin will be the next 1B for the Cubs, no? He sure as heck can't catch the ball in the grass.



another screwball idea...only the Cubs consistently make players change positions at the major-league level, which screws up their development

name one guy that the cubs forced to change positions that succeeded in the last 30 years...not one...the guy was on his way out of town soon after

the 1B we seek is right in our system and is having a GREAT year under Sandberg: Micah Hoffpauir

Colvin is an outfielder, not a 1B...same with Nady, he looks so silly playing 1B, he's never played there before this year

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Theriot likely wasn't going to come back next year. Lilly's contract is obviously expiring. We got a 2B who's very similar to Riot but younger, more pop and left handed.
Plus we got back two decent young pitchers which we do have a decent track record in developing.

Yes Hendry's not a good GM, but this trade was just fine. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you have to just blindly bash everything they do. Blind squirrels find a nut as they say

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Theriot likely wasn't going to come back next year.


but why wouldnt he be? everyone is trying to make it sound like it was his contract and it's not...so why?

why would we rather have Dewitt than Theriot? Dewitt is average talent...as far as left-handed goes, we have Fontenot for that

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I just think this is a once in every 15/20 years rebuild. Having no minor league system for 10 years (its finally getting up to speed with the good teams now) and signing absolutely absurdly bad contracts has destroyed the core of this organization. The next 2 years should be spent fading out the bad contracts and developing tons of talent.

Maybe so.

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Theriot likely wasn't going to come back next year.


but why wouldnt he be? everyone is trying to make it sound like it was his contract and it's not...so why?

why would we rather have Dewitt than Theriot? Dewitt is average talent...as far as left-handed goes, we have Fontenot for that



Theriot is average talent also. He is a bad fielder and base runner. He was average at the plate, with no power. Heard Bruce on the radio yesterday say that he is over weight this season, and tried to muscle up this season, and it's messed up his bat speed.

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I'm not sure where this Bryan LaHair cat came from, but he hit 3 bombs for Iowa today. He is .320 17 61 in 300 abs so far this year. He is a big guy too at 6'5 240. Left handed batter, right handed in the field. He plays OF now, but I am sure he could hold down 1b if need be. He seems similar to the Hoff in every category except he has a way higher average yet K's a bit more.

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Theriot did a good job for a couple years,but I'm not upset he was traded. He has very little power and gets caught stealing far too often. If a middle infielder has power (Jeff Kent in his prime for example) you can excuse his lack of great range and accept that he doesn't steal many bases. But Theriot is a guy without pop and who lacks range and gets caught stealing too often to be considered a good base stealer. So for me, he doesn't really do enough to be considered a good player. He's really an average player at best. I am guessing that the pitching prospects were the key in the deal. Hopefully at least 1 ends up being good. The team is building with youth. It's gonna take a couple years....get used to the idea.

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Good Riddance to the little Short stop that couldnt


Re sign Lilly in the off season please, thank you.


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Now that I look through the Iowa Cubs stats a little closer I see there is another cat Brad Snyder who is hitting over .300 with 17 bombs and about 80 rbi's. He is also a big left bat that plays OF and could probably translate to 1b. I want to see what they have if anything in these guys because both him and LaHair have been around with other teams but have never been given a shot. They are probably out of options anyways so it can't hurt to at least see them in this complete fail of a season. I don't need to see players who aren't going to be here next year play everyday. There should be 2 new 40 man spots open with the 2 for 1 trade and the Howry release. Lets get these guys up and pencil them in at 1b.

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Good Riddance to the little Short stop that couldnt


Re sign Lilly in the off season please, thank you.


+1 to the first part of this but as for Lilly while I like the guy quite a bit since the surgery he has been leaving his pitches up in the zone and is somewhere around 33. I am not against resigning him but I wouldn't give him anything more than a 2 year deal.

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