Opposed to baseball players who go take a bunch of drugs and stand around? There is probably close to 11 minutes of actual action in baseball and maybe 2 of the people on the field are involved.

This argument is stupid.

Then don't have it. I didn't start by saying football sucks even though it does. If you don't like baseball, don't watch it. I will say that if you think that baseball is just "standing around" you really don't understand it enough to discuss it.

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Damn you MUD for bumping this and making me read 8 pages of it!!

Football is more popular than baseball.

Argument over.

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Soccer is the most popular sport in the world. You all lose.

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If you think football is just crashing into each other you really don't understand it enough to discuss it. Attendance, ratings, whatever aren't going to tell you what's more popular. They are paid attention to at different times, different reasons. That's why this is stupid.

My bad... this joe orr rod dude is such great fodder for sports message boards. Weak arguments and sensitive... it's like honey to bears.

Baseball is better because at baseball games the noise meters on the scoreboards goes louder than it does at football games.

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Fair enough. That's pretty much what I've said from the beginning.

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You can say my arguments are weak all you want, but at least my arguments are logic based and I don't flip flop all over when I'm trying to make a different point in a separate argument.

You talk about how football is so popular yet you're a fan of a Big Ten team in a major metropolitan area and I can fire a rifle through Dyche Stadium on game day without much chance of hitting anyone.

And if football is such an intellectual game why can't Northwestern's students beat the morons from LSU?

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BWAHH HAA!

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You tell me when I've been illogical or inconsistent.

I don't say shit like LeBron can't be great because he's now a number 2 in one argument and then Scottie Pippen is great because he was a number two in another. That's just claptrap and silly argument. I also never make ad hominem attacks until they're directed at me first.

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I thought the Field of Dreams speech about baseball you made was particularly illogical as evidence of baseball's higher popularity. But that's just me.

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I'm going to have to ask you to cite anyone who said that Lebron can't be great. Please provide a link and I will tell that person they are wrong.

However, if that person simply said that Lebron can't be the greatest of all time or even in the discussion I won't do so.

You've got real battles to fight in this thread. No need to make up other ones.

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I think RPB made one of those too so at least one guy understood what I meant.

I don't know if logic has anything to do with people that talk about their first baseball game and the "smell of the grass". Like I said the first time, I think that's bullshit- an idealized and mostly false memory. But the fact is, people have those "memories". I'm not saying someone like Gridiron Assassin's kids don't have them about football, but I think you'll admit they're much more prevalent with regard to baseball.

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Grid knows nothing about football.

That much is certain.

I don't want to get into a discussion where we're parsing the levels of "greatness". There are those here that feel Scottie Pippen is one of the twenty best ever to play the game. But not one of them knows the slightest thing about guys like Connie Hawkins or Billy Cunningham or they wouldn't make such a suggestion. I think it's less than logical to attempt to declare a player "the greatest" in the first place and I'll leave it at that.

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I remember my first baseball game. I was probably 6. Third base line, probably the 15th row at Wrigley. Baseball was played on that fuzzy as shit called WGN at the time, and we had an old console TV (until the house was hit by lightning and it exploded) that was probably from the early 70's. And since baseball to that point was fuzzy and badly colored, yeah the colors stood out like nothing I have seen since.
But I still like football better.

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Then stop bringing it up in completely unrelated threads by using an opinion that I have not seen said by anyone. This isn't the first time you've brought up this statement that no one actually made to back up a point of yours.

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You posted this exact statement yourself, dude: "Quitting on his team in the playoffs put a serious dent in his "all time great" legacy."

Does an "all time great legacy" mean the single greatest player? People talk about all-time greats PLURAL all the time.

So stop fucking equivocating. This is what I'm talking about with the flip flopping and parsing words and sentences. You're like the West Lafayette Bill Clinton.

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But do you have the same kind of feelings about your first football game?

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You just really stretched and parsed words there.

Of course I didn't mean greatest of all time there. If I meant greatest of all time, I would have said greatest of all time!. It's probably somewhat closer to top ten all time or maybe even top five.

I said it put a dent in it. Dents can be fixed. Jordan had dents too but he's the greatest of all time.

Anyways, try again because there is no way that you can interpret that as me saying that Lebron James can never be great.

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Okay. I get it. He can be great but it's a dented greatness. I understand completely. My E-420 has a couple dents and it's still great.

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My first football game was a Saints/Bears tilt in '07 at Soldiers. I was older obviously and the "magic" potential wasn't the same (older, HDTV, no "Santa Claus Effect"). However, I loved every second of it. It was totally fun, and although the weather was pretty chilly, I didn't want to leave my seat for one second.
The experience was priceless. I wish I could afford more games but I can't. I just don't have the discretionary income.

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1st page of this thread, maybe 15 posts in.

It was all downhill for you from there.

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And that's probably how it is for most people. But the greater ease of getting to a baseball game is one of its attributes. It shouldn't simply be discounted. The fact that it's easier or more economically feasible for people to use a ticket on a kid that probably can't pay a whole lot of attention is part of the reason people have a deeper connection to baseball. But that's just my opinion. I'm not the one who has been name-calling or saying anyone is an idiot in this thread.

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That's just an opinion and one I'll stick to for all of the reasons I've cited throughout the thread.

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You missed the whole point of that. The point is that even with ease of access to baseball tickets and some sentimental attachment, I'm a much bigger football fan than a baseball fan. I've been to probably 50 Cubs games by now, and I would trade all but one in for another Football game.

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I didn't miss it. That's you. You're one guy.

But are you really telling me you couldn't have used everything you spent at 50 Cub games on a Bears ticket?

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Jesus man how bloody irrelevant is that.
50 games over a 33 year lifetime. Many of which were gifts and freebies. I've probably paid for 15 games, most of which were $10 DOG bleacher seats in the 90's. I suppose if I put that ticket money into a jar over 33 years and never spent it and had a fund for getting on a Bears tickets waiting list, yeah.
And actually, that was my point when I said I'd trade them all (but one) in for another Bears game.
But again, that's hardly the point. In fact, that's pretty damn far from the point as to be an unrelated conversation.

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Any chance we can agree to disagree on the popularity of baseball and re-route this discussion back to the popularity of college ball?

There is a clear distinction in major markets that NFL is king, but keep in mind that there are big swaths of the country that consider their local college team as their "pro sports" team. In the South, this is definitely true. Even in bigger markets like Dallas, you can see the Red River Shootout out drawing the Cowboys. As popular as college football is in the South, it's sometimes easy to forget the sport has grown across the country, too. One only has to travel a couple hundred miles to Iowa to see how pro sports fills up large stadiums and attracts eyeballs. Not to mention the fact that college graduates also earn more than non-college graduates, suggesting marketing to these alums is particularly attractive. This is why firms like Disney (ABC and ESPN), NBC Universal, and CBS have invested so heavily in getting quality college sports programming. And why new networks (Big Ten Network, ESNU, and potential networks from the Pac-10 and Big 12) are gaining so many ad dollars. Any way you slice it, college football is a big time sports on a national level (no longer regional) and it is particularly sad that it gets little-to-no airtime on local Chicago radio, a market that is home to the greatest concentration of Big Ten alums in the nation.