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What the f*ck Hendry! You send Lee to Atlanta and get only prospects in return! You could've at least gotten someone to put into the line up right away. I guess he knows that our farm system is shot to all hell. How's that hole coming Hendry? Is it big enough for your fat ass to fit in come the end of the season?

I love when morons talk sports. This is the same guy yesterday that, when talking fantasy football was pretty sure Brian Westbrook wouldnt be in the top ten this year(NO FUCKING SHIT). He also thought Adrian Peterson would drop off big time, because if you look at his numbers he can't be that good(WHAT THE FUCK).

Which Peterson are we talking about here?
As far as prospects goes, I say fill a room full of them, keep the best 2, fill another room full of prospects, take the best, fill another room full of prospects...
the Cubs aren't looking like they're going to compete for a couple years. They have a core that might win some games in the next 4 years or so, if they keep building that system up. Prospects for Lee is EXACTLY what the Cubs should have done.
Thank god Hendry got one right here. That post dude is a nitwit.

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When talking fantasy football we dont really bring up the other Adrian Peterson.

Come on Darkside. The Adrian Peterson.

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glad the cubs got something back for lee instead of letting him walk next year. he needed to be traded. bittersweet as he has been one of my favorite cubs in recent memory


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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
When talking fantasy football we dont really bring up the other Adrian Peterson.

Come on Darkside. The Adrian Peterson.

Right. Well I was just trying to give the dude the benefit of the doubt. I was just... hoping.
But...
He is a bit droppy, isn't he?

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What a fucking douchebag...

Dlee wrote:
"First of all, when I made the decision, we weren't playing this bad, I think I just separate it. I don't look at it like, 'Oh, I made the decision to stay, I wish I hadn't.' I made the decision, and that's over with, and this is something else"


Hey DLee, you don't think that you .251/.335/.416 in the bloody 3-hole was a reason "we were playing bad"?
"I wish I hadn't"... screw you. It's so clear that you totally checked out on your team.

About the "EVIL CURSE!!":

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"Having to hear about losing kind of puts you in a negative environment"

Does cashing multi million dollar checks put you in a more positive environment?
Really? You've gonna whine about a small population of meatballs with stupid ass curse talk putting you in a bad mood? What kind of fragile minded pussy are you?
You know what fuck you Dlee. You mailed it in for a long ass time, you should have been a leader but your whiny ass pouty bullshit is why the team blows. Man, fuckin Zambrano WASA right, this is a bullshit team and you were a bullshit teammate.

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B-b-but Lee's a giant pussy who doesn't care about the Cubs or playing "important baseball" because he didn't waive his no-trade clause to join some team that's 8 games out! How can he turn around and accept one to a first-place team now?


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Its a glorious glorious day. I haven't had a chance to check out what these prospects stories are. The biggest plus of this monumental transaction is that it is no longer Lee's clubhouse. The position players now can look up to the ass busting play of Marlon Byrd and for that I am hopeful.

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He is also a giant pussy for using his kid as a reason to stay in chicago. Clearly, not really the issue was it?

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It looks like Lorick and Lopez are in low A. Lorick seems to be a lefty reliever who has decent stats, but its still low A. Lopez is a starter down there with good potential but lots of walks. Harris looks to be the best of the 3 right now. He is in AA and is a reliever with a low era and lots of K's. He is probably a late 2011/early 2012 call up.

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He was always a bitch. Look at the fight he had with Chris Young. He would never have stoop up to Zambrano in the dugout if he didnt have 10 people in between him.

He never had a clutch hit in how many years. The guy led the league 2 years ago hitting into double plays. You expect a guy making 13-14 mil to do more than just be a good glove. So glad Double Play Lee is gone. I dont care if they didnt get shit for him.

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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
You expect a guy making 13-14 mil to do more than just be a good glove. So glad Double Play Lee is gone. I dont care if they didnt get shit for him.



He hit almost 300 with a .903 OPS while he was a Cub. Let's not pretend like he didn't put up some monster numbers for us as a whole. Anecdotal opinions aside, he clearly is a douche

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He is also a giant pussy for using his kid as a reason to stay in chicago. Clearly, not really the issue was it?

Wasn't defending Lee, just calling out people who gave him shit because he supposedly didn't want to a play for contender, which the Angels weren't. Did he come out and say it was his daughter or was that just rumors?


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He is also a giant pussy for using his kid as a reason to stay in chicago. Clearly, not really the issue was it?

Wasn't defending Lee, just calling out people who gave him shit because he supposedly didn't want to a play for contender, which the Angels weren't. Did he come out and say it was his daughter or was that just rumors?

Sorry, that rant there wasn't directed at you. I smell what you're cookin.
I was under the impression he referenced "family" as a reason not to go.

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Darkside wrote:
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He is also a giant pussy for using his kid as a reason to stay in chicago. Clearly, not really the issue was it?

Wasn't defending Lee, just calling out people who gave him shit because he supposedly didn't want to a play for contender, which the Angels weren't. Did he come out and say it was his daughter or was that just rumors?

Sorry, that rant there wasn't directed at you. I smell what you're cookin.
I was under the impression he referenced "family" as a reason not to go.



He did. Searching for it.

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Interesting article from Fangraphs on the prospects:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cubs-bring-back-pitching-for-lee/

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by Jack Moore - August 18, 2010

Although word has been out for much of the day that Derrek Lee was on the way to Atlanta in a waiver deal, the deal wasn’t made official until 5:25 Eastern Time, according to Fox Sports’s Ken Rosenthal. We now know, as well, that the Cubs will be sending cash along with Derrek Lee to the Braves, and the Braves will send back three minor league pitchers. The pitchers are right handers Robinson Lopez and Tyrelle Harris as well as left hander Jeffrey Lorick.

The real get here is Lopez. The 19 year old from the Dominican Republic just missed out on Baseball America‘s organizational top 10 prospects list for Atlanta and ranked exactly 10th in Baseball Prospectus‘s pre-season look at the Braves’ system. Lopez has a fastball that reaches as high as 96, an extremely projectable frame, and at 19, that’s a player with a ton of potential. If his secondary pitches don’t develop, he will probably be limited to the bullpen. To date, he has thrown 110 innings as a starter and 33 as a reliever, and, naturally, Lopez has performed much better in the bullpen. However, I would not limit a player with Lopez’s potential to the bullpen at such an early stage in his career.

Lorick and Harris are exclusively relievers, which inherently makes their value much lower than that of Lopez, as does the fact that both were, at least at some point this season, teammates with Lopez at low-A Rome despite being 22 and 23 respectively. That doesn’t mean that Lorick and Harris don’t have some value, though, as both have performed well in the minors in their careers and have shown the potential to make up the back end of a bullpen. Harris has struck out 84 batters in 68 minor league innings, and Lorick has struck out 85 in 86 innings. Both have a tendency toward ground balls, as well – Lorick in particular. Both are far enough away from the majors that they are anything but a sure thing, but it’s not like these players are throw-ins. They definitely supplement the value brought in with Lopez.

The Cubs are a team with plenty of money and a large fanbase, so they really shouldn’t need to perform salary dump deals with players like Derrek Lee. Lee was making roughly $3.25 million for the rest of the season, a number that likely has little impact on the Cubs finances for this year or in the future. Instead of dumping Lee’s salary and getting little in return, the Cubs were aggressive, and threw cash into the deal to help coax some legitimate value out of this deal. Jim Hendry deserves major credit for this trade, as instead of spending his money on an aging first baseman on a fifth place team, he now has three more solid pitching prospects to load into his system. This is just an excellent overall pickup for Chicago.

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The Cubs save 3 million in salary by dealing Lee and hopefully, get a player who winds up helping the major league team in years to come. I certainly hope that 3 million goes into next years team. The 14 million he was making this season, is more than likely to be saved to a large degree, as I highly doubt they will try to sign Fielder or another high profile guy at that position. Lee has a bulging disk that affected him this season and required another epidural this past Monday. He is unlikely to ever be the player he once was, ever again, for a sustained period of time. however, I will not be surprised if he helps the Braves the remainder of this season. With him at 1st and Glaus moving back to 3rd (once he's back from his injury) the Braves should be able to hang onto their division and in the playoffs....who knows??

I sure don't want to see Lee winning another World series (Marlins in 03) though. After playing so poorly most of this season, it would be tough to see him helping the Braves to a title. I'd rather see him in the role of the serial killer, that he's been playing all season....the guy's killed more rallies than I can count with his double plays. But, he's always been a good team player and a real professional, so if it happens, I'll be able to stomach it.

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I don't understand how many think he was such a good clubhouse guy and influence on the team. He didn't do stupid shit off the field and didn't cause any waves in the clubhouse. That is what is expected of everyone. He did both of those things and that is great. Aside from picking some balls in the dirt I don't think he made a single player on any recent cubs team better. The veteran guy with a ring that others look up to should do more than just show up and play IMO. I think he was as individual of a guy on a team as you can have. He had a routine that worked for him early in his career and he proceeded to do everything exactly the same with exactly the same effort regardless of the situation. As players get older they need to adjust their game. I think he basically said I am going to do exactly what I have always done and I don't give a shit what anyone thinks. Does he take time off and get himself right when injured? Not unless they make him. Playing with pain is very commendable, but when you are stubborn about it and completely suck ass at hitting when you are hurting, then get yourself right. A good team leader would have not said what he said about hitting coaches. Now that Castro is hitting over .300 and has seen Lee and Aram say how unimportant the hitting coach is what do you think he is going to say next time he gets into a slump? Go fuck yourself Rudy, I can handle my business?? He is just that guy that is never late to work, but never early. Never leaves early but never stays a minute more than he has to. Eats the same thing for lunch everyday at exactly the same time and sits off by himself talking to his fam the entire time while other co workers are interacting with one another. He is just a guy on a assembly line that generally produces good stats based solely on methods he learned long ago. He is completely uninterested in doing extra and different things to get better and in making those around him better. I expected alot more from him. Baseball is not just a job because you get to cash a check. It is also about competing, bettering your skill set, using your ability and respect to better teammates, and winning.

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I always liked DLee, and like a few others I don't really understand why he so often gets throw under the bus. Sure his play has declined, but he has been a solid player for this team for several years and I really think people are going to end up missing him, especially in the field when they see the Cub 1b in the future.

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I always liked DLee, and like a few others I don't really understand why he so often gets throw under the bus. Sure his play has declined, but he has been a solid player for this team for several years and I really think people are going to end up missing him, especially in the field when they see the Cub 1b in the future.


As a fan of the Cub, I don't blame Lee for all of the team's problems this year. He had help sucking. Lee was one of my favorites during his time here, but I think with the direction this team, his health, and productivity are going, it was time to part ways. Has he really been the same player since the wrist injury? He's still been good, but I think the power dipped since. I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :wink:

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The Cubs save 3 million in salary by dealing Lee and hopefully, get a player who winds up helping the major league team in years to come. I certainly hope that 3 million goes into next years team. The 14 million he was making this season, is more than likely to be saved to a large degree, as I highly doubt they will try to sign Fielder or another high profile guy at that position.


I will not pretend to know the actual numbers...but part of the problem today, thanks to the boob Hendry, is the Cubs have some back loaded & escalating contracts. So that 14 million they "save" on Lee....gets cut into by the escalating contracts for guys like Sorianno. Combine that with what appears to be a desire to lower payroll....and what you end up with is one less high salary player on your roster. That might not be a bad thing either....because the Cubs' high salary players all SUCK !

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RFDC wrote:
I always liked DLee, and like a few others I don't really understand why he so often gets throw under the bus. Sure his play has declined, but he has been a solid player for this team for several years and I really think people are going to end up missing him, especially in the field when they see the Cub 1b in the future.


As a fan of the Cub, I don't blame Lee for all of the team's problems this year. He had help sucking. Lee was one of my favorites during his time here, but I think with the direction this team, his health, and productivity are going, it was time to part ways. Has he really been the same player since the wrist injury? He's still been good, but I think the power dipped since. I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :wink:



He had 35 HR's and 111 RBI last season, so the wrist was fine. However, he has problems now, with a bulging disk. It's been a problem all season and one reason the Cubs did not consider extending his contract. He just had an epidural injection on Monday to relieve the inflammation/pain. He will probably never have another big season. It was time to say goodbye. That said, he may well help the Braves the remainder of this season. With the epidural, he should be good to go for a few weeks, before the inflammation is a problem again.

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Carrie Muskat just tweeted that Colvin is starting to take grounders at first base. Makes sense I suppose over Soriano. The best (only) part of Sori's defense is his arm, might as well not neutralize that.

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He had 35 HR's and 111 RBI last season, so the wrist was fine. However, he has problems now, with a bulging disk. It's been a problem all season and one reason the Cubs did not consider extending his contract. He just had an epidural injection on Monday to relieve the inflammation/pain. He will probably never have another big season. It was time to say goodbye. That said, he may well help the Braves the remainder of this season. With the epidural, he should be good to go for a few weeks, before the inflammation is a problem again.


Yep, upon further review, I am wrong. My observation on the wrist thing was off. HR's and RBI's dropped slightly in the two seasons after the wrist (22/82, 20/90 respectively) but still had pretty good average (.317, .290). And last year's numbers were pretty damn good.

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Makes sense I suppose over Soriano.


but not over Hoffpauir

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Makes sense I suppose over Soriano.


but not over Hoffpauir


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Sad to see D-Lee leave, but glad to see him go to a contender. Im pretty sure on multiple occasions I heard he was one of the clubhouse leaders in Chicago. Like was said earlier, his defense will be missed greatly.

I do fault him for sucking hard this year, but the guy is 35 not 25.

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