Sounds like Lou is getting the Dusty Baker treatment from fans. He may deserve it but it's interesting how he's turned into quite the villain lately.

I can't blame him for overpaid, under performing, and borderline psychotic players letting the team down. He still hasn't done a great job though.

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Ultimately, Lou failed as a manger. He was hired to win the World Series and he obviously didn't. Unfortunately for him, the past two seasons coupled with the playoff failures will define a good part of his managerial legacy. I think the average fan will always think of Lou as a disinterested manager who always seemed months late in making a roster/lineup move.

I'm not going to question his motives at all for retiring as I'm betting most of us in his same situation would be doing the same thing.


The interesting part of all this discussion is Mike Quade being named interim and the dick slap Hendry gave to Trammell.

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This is something I was thinking about yesterday. I can't quite figure it out, but the more successful you are and closer you get to a World Series without winning it, the more villified you are in Cubdom. People blame Dusty for everything. Horrible guy. Horrible manager. Lou Piniella had it all there. All the talent. Couldn't get it done. I'm fine with all of this. But what cracks me up is the love affair with the 1969 Cubs who also had a pretty damn good roster and they chocked bigger than Dusty or Lou's team ever did. At lease those guys got their teams in the playoffs. The 69 Cubs? This pissed and shat their pants in the most epic way during the regular season. That stupid team didn't even play in one post-season game yet thats what all Cubs fans look back on with the fondest of memories. Sometimes I really hate being a Cubs fan.

JORR, you know the drill.

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Murph blew the bugle!

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Not really....they can have Quade be the guy the rest of 2010 and make the move with Sandburg this winter.

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RFDC, why aren't your positions consistent? If I say the sky is blue, it' s "JORR STFU". If Darkside says the same thing you'll post what a wonderful shade it is. Do you really have any opinions or are you just a douchebag trying to curry favor with an ISOP that doesn't really exist?

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Mike "Mad Bugler" Murphy was a founding member of the Left Field Bleacher Bums, a group of dedicated Chicago Cubs fans who sat in the left field bleachers of Wrigley Field and rallied the team in the late 1960s and 70s

You obviously have not paid attention around here as Darko and I have went around several times. But I do happen to like Darko and I am sure his shades are just fine.

All you do around here is post your meatball crap and then follow it up with an old stereotype around here that I have no opinions. I have shared a lot of opinions around here, but I understand that you are not bright enough to figure that out, you just stay with your meatballery.

I do think it is legitimate that Lou wants to step down to spend time with his mother. I do not understand why that is so hard to understand. But even if it is not legitimate, who cares? He is gone like so many wanted.

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Question for those who are mad at Lou for stepping down or quitting on his team or whatever.

Were you in favor of him getting fired either after last season or now? I mean, it could very easily be that the Cubs offered this to him as a way to save some face and not end his career getting fired from a team that may lose 186 games this year(Steve math).

Would things be different if the Cubs had announced they were sending him packing?

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No, "meatball crap" is having uneducated opinions on things, which many who post here obviously do. I don't post about shit when I don't know what I'm talking about. You don't see me getting into Cutler v. Orton arguments. I don't know anything about that. But I do know that Gus Johnson was a better player than Scottie Pippen by any measure you want to use and if you don't know who the fuck Gus Johnson is that's meatballery on your part, not mine.

Big Fan and Frank and at least a few others posted the exact same thing as I did regarding Piniella, yet your response was simply, "JORR STFU". Now, that doesn't hurt my feelings. It doesn't mean much to me at all since it's pretty clear that you don't know much of anything about anything. But I just want to point out your ad hominem attacks against me have nothing at all to do with thought,s opinions, or content. Instead they are simply picking on what you see as an "easy target". Well, you're wrong about that. Now you know the drill. That's right, kid. GO FUCK YOURSELF!

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That is great Joe, really great. Anyone that reads the board regularly knows this is complete BS. All anyone has to do is read your discussion with several board members regarding the popularity of football and baseball. Case closed. Thanks for playing JORR. Your lifetime shipment of meatballs will begin shortly.

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That's kind of a tough argument to make for either guy considering completely different eras. Pippen played against way more talent from top to bottom than Johnson did. Johnson is definitely a pioneer for the game, but I don't know if I could definitively say which one is better. I would be interested in hearing your arguments for Johnson in another thread and take in the era and amount of people playing basketball then compared to when Pippen played.

Sometime in 2009 Lou either gave up on the Cubs or the Cubs gave up on Lou. It's hard to tell which.
But there was an issue. Lou couldn't get his players like Z under control. He couldn't get Ramirez or Lee to fuckin talk to a hitting coach during their greatest slumps of their career. I believe that he should have forced the issue.
There can be little doubt that 2010 was a disaster from jump street. Was it Lou's fault in particular? No, he was a part of it but not all of it.

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Oh Darko, I love that shade bro.

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Again if you think comparing the television ratings of 1 of 500 football games to one of 4900 baseball games is a definitive statement on the relative popularity of the sports, well, you can be right if you want to.

Are you capable of anything besides a less than pithy rejoinder?

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Because his team is going to lose 90+ games. If his mother was sick in 2008, I do not think he would have left this team. Regardless of this being his choice or the Cubs choice, his mother being sick gave the Cubs an easy out right now.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but its very very clear that Lou should have either retired or not been brought back after last season.

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Well, first of all, what makes you think that Pippen played against way more talent top to bottom? I don't really want to get into the "Babe Ruth wouldn't be good enough to play high school baseball today" type of argument. Guys were who they were in their own eras. If Gus had played in the 90s he would have worn Nikes and flown on private jets and done the same "weight training " that Scottie did.

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Frank, STFU!

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What the fuck does that even mean?
Look KS, I've had it up to here with you following me around this place.
I don't need your sarcasm. You and JORR can shove it up your ass.

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ok...so lay out the argument.

Woah slow up there Sandy. You know your shade around here has always agreed with me. JORR can shove it up his ass tho, but you, you are just alright.

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Well, I'd start with admitting an argument against Johnson rather than trying to compare the talent from two different eras, and that is his short career. But if we're going to compare the two guys at their peaks, I don't think there is a real comparison. Johnson was a premium scorer and rebounder who teams had to game plan for. Pippen was a secondary option to Jordan.

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Yeah I see how this is related to the Cubs and Lou. Keep up the outstanding posts.

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Hey! Blow it out your ASS! Prick!

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I deeply apologize as I know this is the first time in the storied history of CSFMB that a thread has meandered off the original topic. Would you prefer that we start a Gus Johnson thread?

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