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I always thought the Cubs had bigger problems than Marquis. Dusty's infatuation with making him a pinch runner was a little odd though.


i dont think marquis ever played for dusty, at least as a cub.


Ha you are right....Getting my years of Cubs futility all jumbled together these days. Hard for me to remember a time when Lou was awake enough to use a pinch runner.

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You can't bash Sammy without bashing MLB and the Cubs. They all turned a blind eye when he took baseball on his back after one of its darkest hours and made it as popular as it ever was. From the outside looking in he was the happiest, fan friendliest, biggest superstar in the game. We all know it was a mask but most superstars of that magnitude are somewhat selfish, egotistical and not so personable in the 1st place. MLB, the Cubs, media and fans all fed the beast.
The man played very hard everyday and gave us his all and for that ill always appreciate what Sosa did here. It was an ugly divorce but he deserves a lot better for what he did on the field

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With the exception of 2003 and parts of 1998 the team was nearly unwatchable as it was with Sammy.
Sure he hit some dingers. And he ran out to his position. But that doesn't mean that we need to retire his number, and stroke his pole all the time.

The Cubs are PROS at honoring and Canonizing players who never won a goddamn thing. One reason I can't get on the Santo HOF bandwagon is because there's only so many HOF players on a team that actually was a bloody colossal failure when you look at the body of their work.

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i was waiting for someone to say that...way to change the subject...we're talking specifically about that game and Hendry's love for bullying players

He left the ballpark early because he is a self centered asshole.


yes he is...but it's like Sosa said, they tried to make people believe he was a monster, by releasing that footage publicly and making a big deal about it, after marketing him all these years...Hendry was looking for another justification to trade him, because the corked bat stuff had worn off by that time (it had been over a couple years and the Cubs had had success, etc...)..that's what this thread was originally about, and that's what I'm responding to.

and also, maybe Sosa knew he would be traded, he knew he wasn't in the starting lineup, and wanted to get a last jab back at Hendry..the season was lost...who cares if he left the LAST GAME early? everyone else had mailed it in, Sosa was just being honest about it...it didnt bother me ONE BIT he left early, in fact I thought it was pretty hilarious

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the season was lost...who cares if he left the LAST GAME early? everyone else had mailed it in, Sosa was just being honest about it...it didnt bother me ONE BIT he left early

Because he is a professional baseball player and its his job to play baseball. I don't care if its game 162 and the team already has 95 losses or its Opening Day. If you can't see how leaving the ballpark early is wrong than I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you.

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I think damn near every player in that clubhouse wanted to give him the same treatment his stereo got. I think Milton had more friends as a cub player than this arrogant boisterous douche ever had.

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the season was lost...who cares if he left the LAST GAME early? everyone else had mailed it in, Sosa was just being honest about it...it didnt bother me ONE BIT he left early

Because he is a professional baseball player and its his job to play baseball. I don't care if its game 162 and the team already has 95 losses or its Opening Day. If you can't see how leaving the ballpark early is wrong than I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you.


u just dont get it...the guy wanted the day off for personal reasons, but was afraid it wouldn't be granted...so he asked to be out of the starting lineup and it was granted...he then tried to sneak out

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the season was lost...who cares if he left the LAST GAME early? everyone else had mailed it in, Sosa was just being honest about it...it didnt bother me ONE BIT he left early

Because he is a professional baseball player and its his job to play baseball. I don't care if its game 162 and the team already has 95 losses or its Opening Day. If you can't see how leaving the ballpark early is wrong than I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you.


u just dont get it...the guy wanted the day off for personal reasons, but was afraid it wouldn't be granted...so he asked to be out of the starting lineup and it was granted...he then tried to sneak out

It's a shame he didn't ask off the final week of the 2004 season.

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It's a shame he didn't ask off the final week of the 2004 season.


no, i like the way he did it...it was a lot funnier

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This city's petty hatred for Sosa has to be one of the greatest examples of hypocrisy in our time. What Sammy should have said in that article, in true Gladiator style: "Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained?"

He gave the Cubs organization, the Cubs fans, and baseball, exactly what they wanted. Exactly what they were asking for. He was cheered and lauded for it. Now the fickle mob has turned, and suddenly he is persona non grata?

That is bullshit.

He cheated. Yeah there's a few problems with that charge. The most damning of which being that everyone knew it was happening. Everyone. The Cubs top brass knew. The players knew -- and many of them were doing it, too. Major League Baseball knew. The fans knew. And no one gave a rat's shit. Just keep hitting the home runs, Sammy, and we'll love you. That is of course until we change our minds like the windsocks we are.

The other problem with that charge is that everyone was doing it. That is not an excuse, however, it was the demand of the time. The pitchers facing him were doing it. His competitors on other teams were doing it. The Cubs and their fans, along with all of baseball, demanded this circus act, and if you didn't participate, you would be relegated to irrelevance.

Sosa was bad in the clubhouse. As a fan, were you in the clubhouse? That's none of your business. And if it bothered the players so much, they should have busted that boombox long before. Not after he was already out the door. That's weak.

And nothing is more cowardly than the common refrain that usually goes something like "I knew about it and I didn't like it, but I couldn't speak up because I would have been the only one". Sure, it's easy to ride the high-horse now, when it's fashionable to do so. Next time, if you really want to impress, speak out at a time when it might be unpopular - and might mean something, too.

Sammy's poor behavior was enabled from day one. Worse, it was encouraged. Keep serving us the steaks Sammy, we don't care how you slaughter the cow. That is, until it's politically correct to worry about the cow, at which time you'll be cast as the ultimate villain. After we're all fat and happy.

Lastly, let's get our priorities in order. This is baseball. It is entertainment. Period. No one got hurt. No one went hungry. Let's reserve such venom for the true wretches of society. Guys like Blago, Joran Vanderslooth (sp and I don't give a shit), and that assbag barefoot bandit become celebrities and garner constant attention, while a guy who hit too many home runs is a social outcast?

So maybe we'd all be better off if we drop the high-horse routine. If there were problems with Sosa's act, the time to speak out was before. When the balls were flying out of the park. No one did. We enjoyed it all. It happened. So now, man up, and embrace it.


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perfectly said

and I think it was in that article that said only in Chicago would the whole city turned against a guy that gave them so much for so long

its typical of Chicagoans in general...they lack creativity, but they eat up whatever you feed them

it goes that way with laws, products and stores, prices, etc...they have no resistance to anything..no integrity

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You're both dolts.

If Sammy had acted classy all along (he isn't now, and when he was hitting HRs he wasn't), it would be a different story. If he came out like McGwire, Arod, etc and said "yeah, I used steroids" that would be different.

Did this guy speak English in this interview? Because when he was in front of congress he apparently didn't know enough english and had to have a translator.

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 Post subject: Re: Sosa blasts the Cubs
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No you didnt


He's one of those guys that when you look back on his numbers, you say "Not bad" but while he's putting up those numbers he is extremely frustrating.


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You can't bash Sammy without bashing MLB and the Cubs. They all turned a blind eye when he took baseball on his back after one of its darkest hours and made it as popular as it ever was. From the outside looking in he was the happiest, fan friendliest, biggest superstar in the game. We all know it was a mask but most superstars of that magnitude are somewhat selfish, egotistical and not so personable in the 1st place. MLB, the Cubs, media and fans all fed the beast.
The man played very hard everyday and gave us his all and for that ill always appreciate what Sosa did here. It was an ugly divorce but he deserves a lot better for what he did on the field



He made millions and millions of dollars.
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You're both dolts.

If Sammy had acted classy all along (he isn't now, and when he was hitting HRs he wasn't), it would be a different story. If he came out like McGwire, Arod, etc and said "yeah, I used steroids" that would be different.

Did this guy speak English in this interview? Because when he was in front of congress he apparently didn't know enough english and had to have a translator.


Which means Sosa is a lot smarter than Dickhead Roger Clemens.

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You're both dolts.

If Sammy had acted classy all along (he isn't now, and when he was hitting HRs he wasn't), it would be a different story. If he came out like McGwire, Arod, etc and said "yeah, I used steroids" that would be different.

Did this guy speak English in this interview? Because when he was in front of congress he apparently didn't know enough english and had to have a translator.


we werent talking about Sosa's faults...we were talking about the faults of the fans

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

once again steering away from an argument, to a personal attack...

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This city's petty hatred for Sosa has to be one of the greatest examples of hypocrisy in our time. What Sammy should have said in that article, in true Gladiator style: "Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained?"

He gave the Cubs organization, the Cubs fans, and baseball, exactly what they wanted. Exactly what they were asking for. He was cheered and lauded for it. Now the fickle mob has turned, and suddenly he is persona non grata?

That is bullshit.

He cheated. Yeah there's a few problems with that charge. The most damning of which being that everyone knew it was happening. Everyone. The Cubs top brass knew. The players knew -- and many of them were doing it, too. Major League Baseball knew. The fans knew. And no one gave a rat's shit. Just keep hitting the home runs, Sammy, and we'll love you. That is of course until we change our minds like the windsocks we are.

The other problem with that charge is that everyone was doing it. That is not an excuse, however, it was the demand of the time. The pitchers facing him were doing it. His competitors on other teams were doing it. The Cubs and their fans, along with all of baseball, demanded this circus act, and if you didn't participate, you would be relegated to irrelevance.

Sosa was bad in the clubhouse. As a fan, were you in the clubhouse? That's none of your business. And if it bothered the players so much, they should have busted that boombox long before. Not after he was already out the door. That's weak.

And nothing is more cowardly than the common refrain that usually goes something like "I knew about it and I didn't like it, but I couldn't speak up because I would have been the only one". Sure, it's easy to ride the high-horse now, when it's fashionable to do so. Next time, if you really want to impress, speak out at a time when it might be unpopular - and might mean something, too.

Sammy's poor behavior was enabled from day one. Worse, it was encouraged. Keep serving us the steaks Sammy, we don't care how you slaughter the cow. That is, until it's politically correct to worry about the cow, at which time you'll be cast as the ultimate villain. After we're all fat and happy.

Lastly, let's get our priorities in order. This is baseball. It is entertainment. Period. No one got hurt. No one went hungry. Let's reserve such venom for the true wretches of society. Guys like Blago, Joran Vanderslooth (sp and I don't give a shit), and that assbag barefoot bandit become celebrities and garner constant attention, while a guy who hit too many home runs is a social outcast?

So maybe we'd all be better off if we drop the high-horse routine. If there were problems with Sosa's act, the time to speak out was before. When the balls were flying out of the park. No one did. We enjoyed it all. It happened. So now, man up, and embrace it.



POST OF THE MONTH!!!!
Excellent Summation....
Nobody was screaming about steroids when Sosa was hitting the ball within a few feet of the
centerfield scoreboard!!!
Somebody please explain to me how if fans bought a ticket to a game at Wrigley and Sosa launched 2 to Waveland Avenue how somehow Sosa CHEATED THEM?

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sammy sosa- i think you are a giant fuckin dumbass turd. not much more value to you then a turtle squashed on the highway. you suck, you make me want to smoke and i really, truly, dearly hope you vanish from all public light for the eternity of the universe. i would be a happier man if you stayed in your house, with the lights off and without a phone. fuck you sammy sosa. i cant fucking stand you.

but thats just me. maybe everyone else in the world loves you.

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sammy sosa- i think you are a giant fuckin dumbass turd. not much more value to you then a turtle squashed on the highway. you suck, you make me want to smoke and i really, truly, dearly hope you vanish from all public light for the eternity of the universe. i would be a happier man if you stayed in your house, with the lights off and without a phone. fuck you sammy sosa. i cant fucking stand you.

but thats just me. maybe everyone else in the world loves you.



I'm sure he is losing sleep.

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sammy sosa- fuck you sammy sosa. i cant fucking stand you.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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