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Mad props for going out on a limb, Nas. Even the fiercest of Rex detractors would love to see that game. Everyone would. Let's hope we do.

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I think it's more likely that this game is where Benson starts to build momentum for the playoffs. Grossman had his back against the wall last week and got clowned by a terrible pass defense.

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Nas wrote:
I'm predicting Rex will throw for 300+ yards


If he does this, it will be the first time in his career. I hope you're right.

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Grossman had his back against the wall last week and got clowned by a terrible pass defense.


The games don't mean as much right now so I hope he's feeling personal pressure to perform better, but he sounds like a head case right now. I wonder how his, "I'm confused by the things I do" statement is sitting with his teamates, who supposedly see him as their leader...

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Nas, I hope you're right. But as a Cub fan, hope has not been kind to me.

Midge, I think you're going to be right. Benson has fresh legs and that TD run where he got the corner gave me chills.

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This is the game that Rex bounces back and proves why he will lead the Bears to the SB. He has to. I didn't like any of his interviews this week though. He sounded like he had no confidence at all. I think he is a better player when his back is against the wall though. I think he will have a great game and build some momentum into the playoffs. That is where he will make a name for himself. I'm predicting Rex will throw for 300+ yards and 2-3 touchdowns with 0 interceptions.



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I believe in Rex.


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This is the game that Rex bounces back and proves why he will lead the Bears to the SB. He has to.

I'm almost leaning that way, but...

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I didn't like any of his interviews this week though. He sounded like he had no confidence at all.

... I agree with this 100%. I think we may be seeing a case of the yips. Let's hope the Rams D is the confidence-builder it looks to be.

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I think he is a better player when his back is against the wall though. I think he will have a great game and build some momentum into the playoffs. That is where he will make a name for himself. I'm predicting Rex will throw for 300+ yards and 2-3 touchdowns with 0 interceptions.

If that happens, I'll be MattpartyingdownintheCrown.

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Let's hope the Rams D is the confidence-builder it looks to be.


Although that was supposed to be the case with Minn. as well....

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I think Grossman will be just good enough to give both sides of this Griese/Grossman debate ammunition to yap for another week. I'd say something like -

14-28 189 yards 2TD 2int

as the Bears win 28-10.

Then the pro-Grossman contingent will point to the 2 TDs and the win. The pro-Griese folks will say "look at the turnovers" and we can't beat a good team if he plays like that.

Prepare for another week of fun debate. :roll:

(But I hope Nas is right! :D )

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I kind of have to agree with that Noisewater. I really don't see this debate ending after tonight, as I really don't think Grossman has the confidence to turn in a game like Nas is predicting. He has NEVER shown that he can perform under pressure, nor has he thrown for 300+ yards as mentioned a few posts above. While the kid has big-play ability, he simply has not shown any notion of being a "smart quarterback", which is EXACTLY what a team who hopes to win the Super Bowl needs to have under center.

I see Rex having a decent game with two scores, however will continue to provide the opposition gifted opprotunities via lapses in concentration that lead to turnovers.


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I kind of have to agree with that Noisewater. I really don't see this debate ending after tonight, as I really don't think Grossman has the confidence to turn in a game like Nas is predicting. He has NEVER shown that he can perform under pressure, nor has he thrown for 300+ yards as mentioned a few posts above. While the kid has big-play ability, he simply has not shown any notion of being a "smart quarterback", which is EXACTLY what a team who hopes to win the Super Bowl needs to have under center.

I see Rex having a decent game with two scores, however will continue to provide the opposition gifted opprotunities via lapses in concentration that lead to turnovers.


Grossman could throw for 4 TD's tonight, and all that would mean is the debate is over until next Sunday, when, if he throws for 180 Yds, 1 TD and 2 INT, it's back to bench Rex talk.


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Probably, and I think that just provides support to my point that Rex Grossman is only as good as the Bears Defense allows him to be. Or, to be put in another way, Rex is only as BAD as he CAN be thanks to the Bears' D.

If the Bears' defense was ranked, say 20th in the league overall, this team would be 8 - 4 at best... and everyone would be singing a different tune.


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If the Bears' defense was ranked, say 20th in the league overall, this team would be 8 - 4 at best...

and Rex would be responsible for all those wins because of the points he put up in those 8 games. You could argue he took the pressure off the defense in some of those games by putting points on the board. Look at the Seattle and Giants games. The defense was having problems stopping the offense from moving the ball until they got a little cushion. That enabled them to go into attack mode the rest of the game.



Fair enough, however you have to admit that if Rex won those games it was entirely because of the same "gunslinging" attitude that he is getting ridiculed for now (and for good reason).


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As a huge Rex fan, oddly enough, I hope he plays like shit and the Bears go into half with a small lead and the change will be made. Rex is fried and no way in hell the guy will lead you to 2 straight wins when it matters.


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Rex is fried.


How long will it be before an enterprising Chicago restaurant offers fried gator on their menu? And after tonight, perhaps they could offer roasted peanuts as well...


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Rex is fried.


How long will it be before an enterprising Chicago restaurant offers fried gator on their menu? And after tonight, perhaps they could offer roasted peanuts as well...


Get a patent on that pronto and if that doesn't work, get the revolver ready for the person that steals it


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200 yards, 2 TDs and 0 interceptions is a great turnaround from where he was. He was a lot better and as many here have suggested, with the Bears D and special teams, this kind of performance is probably good enough to beat most teams. But let's not get carried away here. The QB position is still not a big positive for the Bears. At least for this week, it's no longer a huge negative. He managed the game and he was fine. He should finish the season pretty strong, playing at home against mostly bad teams.

If you want to choose to believe that his struggles are behind him and he he won't ever struggle again when he again faces a good defense, I understand. I won't take one average game, though, and draw grand conclusions about his ability to keep his head in future games against good defenses. The good news is he might not see a good defense until the Super Bowl because most of the NFC teams seem to have real issues on defense.


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The QB position is still not a big positive for the Bears. At least for this week, it's no longer a huge negative.


In other words, Rex is good enough to beat a bad team and bad enough to get you beat by a good team.

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That depends on who you consider a good team. If you have a loose criteria and say anyone fighting for the playoffs, you would have to consider MIN which he had 1 bad game and 1 awful (1.3) game. The JETS game was also borderline.

I guess you would be correct Nas if only consider SEA, NYG, and NE


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Rex carved up Seattle because they didn't follow the plan to beat him. They didn't blitz and failed to get pressure on him. If you let Rex sit back and survey the field, he will make big plays. If you pressure him, he will throw interceptions. If the Bears play Seattle again, their coaches won't repeat their stupidity.

The Giants game is a perfect example of Rex's vulnerability to pressure. He couldn't do anything against the Giants when they were blitzing. For some idiotic reason, they stopped doing so just before the end of the first half. The result was a touchdown before halftime and a big second half.

Against a good team--especially in the playoffs--Rex will not be allowed to sit and wait to throw the ball. He will be pressured, and then his limited mobility will force him to make bad decisions, bad throws, and fumbles.

The best chance the Bears have against such a strategy is to establish the run early, avoid obvious third down passing situations, and freeze the pass rush with play-action.

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