Right, but someones "guys" are usually good at what they do. Why would someone have "guys" who are bad? Lovie certainly has a history of employing coaches & players who are horrible. The McClaskeys should be very very angry about Jerry & Lovie wasting millions of their dollars hiring guys who everyone knows suck.
How does one city end up with so much passive team ownership?

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I was at this game, it was miserable to attend. Garbage was flying thru the seats like you were in a tornado. The only good thing was the Vasher missed FG TD return.

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I couldn't believe how rotten the Bears' Todd Collins & the Panthers' Jim Clausen quarterbacked their respective teams yesterday! It's bad enough Collins threw 4 interceptions, but Clausen looked as if he should've stayed in South Bend to QB Notre Dame.

That being said, I'm not so sure Jay Cutler & his concussion will be cleared to play, let alone start Sunday, when the Seahawks visit Soldier Field. Even though his own stats weren't much better when he replaced Collins after the 4th pick, I'd get head coach Lovie Smith fitted for a straitjacket if he doesn't start Caleb Hanie in the event Cutler can't go. Giving Collins another start after that crap yesterday IS BEYOND CRAZY!!!

Your hate for Claussen rivals only your hate for John Forsythe (R.I.P.)

That's not it at all, RP Bryan. Jim Clausen doesn't look like an NFL quarterback, and probably should be holding a clipboard right now. Besides, why did they give him #2?

Besides?

Try "Incidentally" or "On another note"


what number would you prefer he have?

Thankfully, there is someone here that explained to me a couple of weeks ago that Devin Hester is no longer effective as a return man. That guy is a genius.

He returned his first punt almost all of the way (probably should have been a TD honestly), then the Panthers proceeded to kick every punt out of bounds until the last one of the game.

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I believe it was "losing his effectiveness"

So, he will say that he was right, because he is still effective now, but that he will lose that in the future.

iirc, weren't the Giants also punting out of bounds early on as well?

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I hope you aren't talking about me. I never said he wasn't effective. Don't make me call the JORR rule on you. I said his skills are declining and that this should probably be his last year as a returner. We may even have a player on the team currently who would be more effective. In fact, after watching both him and Knox I'm pretty sure that Knox is faster than Hester. Even Daniel Manning looks like he could be more effective right now(the guy who took Hester off kickoff returns).

I still want Hester to be the returner this year but it seems to me that he's nothing but a league average punt returner now who is on the downside of his career as a punt returner. Note: He'll last longer as a WR.
The punter they had was also pretty amazing at hitting the sideline perfectly. Given the Bears offensive troubles I would have done the same with most returners.

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I won't really be right or wrong until next year since my whole point was that this should be Hester's last year as a returner. Thanks for helping spanky out though.

I still don't get why it's crazy to think that Johnny Knox, who went to the pro bowl last year as a special teams player, may be a better punt returner. If you go and look back, that was really my whole point all along.

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No, he's talking about the other guy who said that Hester was "losing his effectiveness" as a punt returner.

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Both Knox & Manning are better returners now than Hester.

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You know what's really funny about that? No one has actually argued against it. Spanky even had to totally mis characterize my whole point even to bring it up.

It really wasn't that great of a point by me. The only profound thing about it was that I think he should be replaced after this year.

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I think that is very possible. It's at least plausible enough as to not be questioned in another thread a few weeks later because Hester almost scored a touchdown but once again was unable to make a move to do it.

Personally, I think Hester made a big mistake on that one good return by making it easy to push him out of bounds. He went right where the punter wanted him to go.

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Total lie.

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My very first post on the subject.

My followup 15 minutes later.
I was talking about Johnny Knox, though a case for Daniel Manning could be made.

So if you really want to grill me that it took me a total of 15 minutes to actually state the obvious that I believed we would have a better option at punt returner next year go ahead. However, I don't think it's fair to say "total lie".

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Hester avoids contact as much as possible. If a player has a one on one matchup with a punter, its not very difficuly to put the punter on the ground. Take him on head on & run through him. Hes the fucking punter. What does Hester do? Avoids the punter & runs out of bounds.

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When has Hester avoided a punter to run out of bounds?

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Exactly. 2 punters have pushed him out of bounds, but thats it.

Kirk agreeing with Rick doesn't help Rick at all

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I too will predict as Hester gets older he will be less effective and the Bears will need to replace him. I am ES.

That's what I am really enjoying about this. That's basically all I said, but I gave a date when I think it should happen. I then had a ton of posters jump all over me on it and another poster who brought it up again in a thread I wasn't even posting in. I was surprised that it even got a response in the week 3 Bears thread.

I'd love to see Knox get a chance back there. Reports are that he's faster than Hester now. He looks faster than Hester now. He seems to have more football sense than Hester.

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Even using your creative editing on this page:

Bottom line: Two weeks ago, you said his effectiveness would continue to decline from that point. I'd say his performance on Sunday says otherwise. He was very "effective".

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Knox works for me, although I'd hate to take away from his 1 catch 14 yard production as a receiver.

This newfound Knox love is gonna damage your Cutler trade argument.


So Kyle Orton is (or is becoming) a top notch QB? and Hester is not a top notch returner?

Is that your position?

Creative editing? I posted exact quotes, none of which said this:

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Broncos might need to start looking for Orton's replacement too. As he gets older he's gonna go downhill.

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My very first post on the subject.

My followup 15 minutes later.
I was talking about Johnny Knox, though a case for Daniel Manning could be made.

So if you really want to grill me that it took me a total of 15 minutes to actually state the obvious that I believed we would have a better option at punt returner next year go ahead. However, I don't think it's fair to say "total lie".[/quote]

I'm not going to get into the trap of a never ending argument with you.

Your point was clearly stated in your first post. Your point was not that Knox was better. It was simply that Hester lost his effectiveness. They are very different arguments. So yes, when you say that your point was that Knox was the better player (presumably because your original argument almost immediately blew up in your face), I must insist that it is a total lie.

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In an effort to keep Bears threads free of the "Orton debate" I will call the JORR rule on you.

I don't believe Hester is a top notch returner and I believe by next year he will not be the best punt returner on the team. If anything, he won't be good enough at it to make it crazy to think it is time for a change.

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So let me get this straight.

You think that I called for Hester to be shelved as a punt returner but you don't think I also thought we had a superior option? Just think about that one. Of course I thought we had a better option. How stupid would it be to claim that Hester shouldn't be the punt returner if I didn't think we had a better option?

I could also say that I think that Olin Kruetz is starting to lose his effectiveness but I wouldn't call for him to be replaced next year because I don't think we have a solid option to replace him.

Believe or don't believe me but you have to admit that it would be a really bad football thought to proclaim Hester shouldn't be the returner next year without thinking someone else would do better.

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You can find good return men at the end of every draft, as the Titans did this year.

The first argument is independant of the second, which is why it was presented the way it was by you.

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