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bigfan

Post subject: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:30 am

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Is this considered one of the 4 moves?

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:23 am

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i honestly feel this is an offseason where Bully has no real direction

his bully mindset has been tempered by the bad contracts, restricted budget, and his bad reputation...he doesn't really feel in control right now

he is now trying to adapt to this new circumstance but he doesn't really know how

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:29 am

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This is some profound shit.

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whistler

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:44 am

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it's the anatomy of a fuckin bully

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:26 am

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You are now getting the Elmhurst Steve treatment

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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah bully blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah starry eyed blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah u think im crazy blah blah blah bully blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah starry eyed bully blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

I call this "Anatomy of a whistler Post"

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:29 am

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Northside_Dan

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:31 am

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Like I said in the hot stove thread, Pena for 1 year is fine. No real complaints. Just make sure that money doesn't contribute to possibly being out of the Gonzalez/Fielder sweepstakes next year.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:32 am

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Northside_Dan wrote:

Just make sure that money doesn't contribute to possibly being out of the Gonzalez/Fielder sweepstakes next year.

I think Ricketts has already taken care of that.

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Northside_Dan

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:40 am

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sjboyd0137 wrote:

Northside_Dan wrote:

Just make sure that money doesn't contribute to possibly being out of the Gonzalez/Fielder sweepstakes next year.

I think Ricketts has already taken care of that.

Ramirez's, Fukudome's and Silva's contracts come off the books after this year. So we'll definitely have more resources available

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johnnyfontane

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:12 am

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Northside_Dan wrote:

sjboyd0137 wrote:

Northside_Dan wrote:

Just make sure that money doesn't contribute to possibly being out of the Gonzalez/Fielder sweepstakes next year.

I think Ricketts has already taken care of that.

Ramirez's, Fukudome's and Silva's contracts come off the books after this year. So we'll definitely have more resources available

You would hope that Hendry would make a move for one of those guys but I see AGone going to the Red Sox. Good news is that the Yankees already have Texeira and the Angels have Morales, so they will probably be bidding against the Mets for Fielder.

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johnnyfontane

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:15 am

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immessedup17 wrote:

Or the White Sox.

Jerry shelling out 7-8 years at $20M per? Doesn't sound like something Jerry does.

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johnnyfontane

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:20 am

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immessedup17 wrote:

johnnyfontane wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Or the White Sox.

Jerry shelling out 7-8 years at $20M per? Doesn't sound like something Jerry does.

Until you consider picking up the Peavy and Rios contracts...and consider that Jerry hates the Cubs. He will spend an extra few million a year over Rios' contract numbers to pick up a hitter like Fielder I'd imagine.

Rios makes $12M a year.

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Phil McCracken

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:08 pm

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Northside_Dan wrote:

Ramirez's, Fukudome's and Silva's contracts come off the books after this year. So we'll definitely have more resources available

You are assuming that Ricketts doesn't just pocket that money. The years of the Cubs with a 100+M dollar payroll are over kids. I would guess that within the next 5 to 10 years you will see the Cubs settle into being somewhere between the 15th to 20th highest payroll year in and year out.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:11 pm

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You're right Phil. Maybe I'm being crazy, but I see Tom trying to keep the payroll somewhere in the 100 million dollar vicinity. Which would put us around 10th in baseball.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:13 pm

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Northside_Dan wrote:

You're right Phil. Maybe I'm being crazy, but I see Tom trying to keep the payroll somewhere in the 100 million dollar vicinity. Which would put us around 10th in baseball.

I think a few of the beat writers have said that they've heard payroll in the $120-130M range. They already have 100M committed to like 9 players, so it will be higher.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:15 pm

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johnnyfontane wrote:

Northside_Dan wrote:

You're right Phil. Maybe I'm being crazy, but I see Tom trying to keep the payroll somewhere in the 100 million dollar vicinity. Which would put us around 10th in baseball.

I think a few of the beat writers have said that they've heard payroll in the $120-130M range. They already have 100M committed to like 9 players, so it will be higher.

Right, I'm talking 3-4 years down the road after the Soriano/Zambrano etc deals come off.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

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johnnyfontane wrote:

I think a few of the beat writers have said that they've heard payroll in the $120-130M range. They already have 100M committed to like 9 players, so it will be higher.

Yes for this year. I am talking about long term once all of the bad contracts from the TribCo go away I doubt you will be seeing many lavish spending sprees. Especially after Ricketts got pantsed in his proposal for tax revenue and the fact that ballpark revenue will be down next year with whistler finally getting his wish for plenty of good seats still available to see the Cubs play the Pirates in a battle for 5th place in the central next year.

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johnnyfontane

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:23 pm

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Northside_Dan wrote:

johnnyfontane wrote:

Northside_Dan wrote:

You're right Phil. Maybe I'm being crazy, but I see Tom trying to keep the payroll somewhere in the 100 million dollar vicinity. Which would put us around 10th in baseball.

I think a few of the beat writers have said that they've heard payroll in the $120-130M range. They already have 100M committed to like 9 players, so it will be higher.

Right, I'm talking 3-4 years down the road after the Soriano/Zambrano etc deals come off.

Yeah, I think it depends upon their revenue situation at that time which may or may not include retail/shopping outlets in Wrigleyville. Who the hell knows? My hope is that there is a new GM at that time anyway who can take a smaller payroll and spend it efficiently.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

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johnnyfontane wrote:

My hope is that there is a new GM at that time anyway who can take a smaller payroll and spend it efficiently.

Then you better start hoping for bully Hendry to have another grabber otherwise I don't think he is going anywhere.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:51 pm

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Phil McCracken wrote:

johnnyfontane wrote:

My hope is that there is a new GM at that time anyway who can take a smaller payroll and spend it efficiently.

Then you better start hoping for bully Hendry to have another grabber otherwise I don't think he is going anywhere.

That would mean Ricketts is stupid enough to re-sign him? Nah. yeah.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:30 am

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1 yr $10 mil

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/12/reports-cubs-agree-to-terms-with-carlos-pena.html

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johnnyfontane

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:16 am

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meh

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:21 am

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Carlos Pena = 1st base version of Jeromey Burnitz

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:32 am

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The Pena signing will surely change their 4th place 19 games out 2011 season to 4th place 17 games out.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:41 am

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Hendry's a joke. The guy has zero creativity. Again he takes the easy way out by writing a fuckin check to a retread veteran.

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Darkside

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:48 am

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Yeah, what's the big deal? One year deal, that's gonna cost more per year, if you'll pardon the expression, than a 3 year deal will. $10 sounds really fucking high to me though. I expect over 30 fuckin home runs and well over 100 RBI for that kind of money

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:49 am

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immessedup17 wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

Hendry's a joke. The guy has zero creativity. Again he takes the easy way out by writing a fuckin check to a retread veteran.

What was your suggestion?

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The Cubs aren't going to win anything next season so it's a good time to take a couple chances and try to find some diamonds in the rough. Players who were once highly regarded but for whatever reason isn't working out with their current teams. Players like Alex Gordon, Chris Davis, Brandon Wood, Daric Barton, Joba Chamberlian, Andrew Miller, Homer Bailey and Kyle Kendrick. These are all players who are 'buy low' candidates but are still young enough to have HUGE upsides.

Hendry has to stop trying to upgrade the team by signing free agents and start doing some serious scouting to find talented players in other organizations who can help the team when they are ready to win.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:54 am

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Pena won't be a Cub by the trade deadline.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:00 am

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Darkside wrote:

I expect over 30 fuckin home runs and well over 100 RBI for that kind of money

You should. I said in another thread if Kenny Williams gave $10mil to a guy that hit less than 30HR and under .200 last year Cubs fans would be all over it.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:14 am

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Couldn't the Cubs get similar production from Micah Hoffpauir at a much lower price? Surely he could hit about .200 and hit 20-25 home runs in a full season. Am I wrong? I'm not trying to be a meatball here. This just seems like wasted money to me. Especially in a season where you will not be competing for anything.

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