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johnnyfontane

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:55 pm

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Keyser Soze wrote:

Marlon Byrd was the best available last year. Carlos Pena was the best avialable this year. Who's going to be the best available next year? Coco Crisp? Melvin Mora? Jack Wilson? That's a sure fire way to end the 100+ year drought.

C'mon don't think like a fantasy owner. Go get bad players and let them gel as a team! Chemisty and good coaching wins championshps. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:55 pm

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Keyser Soze wrote:

I completely agree with you. I'm all about organization building. I believe that's the only reason Hendry is still around. Wilken is Hendry's boy. It was made clear that if Hendry goes, Tim Wilken goes.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:01 am

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Drop In wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

The one concern I have about his whole building thing is this possible Matt Garza trade in which the Cubs are reported to be dangling prospects. Unless they are damn sure these "prospects" are corey pattersons" instead of "Castros" then I don't like this. Garza would be around when this team sucks and then leave for some big money or sign an absurd contract extension. So unless they have a plan to dump some guys they don't think highly of for him and then turn around and trade him for some legit talent before the deadline I am not on board with this.

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:07 am

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Great organizations know their great prospects that suck.

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Juiced

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:09 am

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johnnyfontane wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

C'mon don't think like a fantasy owner. Go get bad players and let them gel as a team! Chemisty and good coaching wins championshps. :roll:

I never said chemistry and good coaching wins championships. I simply said, Pena was a good signing for what they are trying to do this year.

If you get lucky with a few players, you contend next year. If they all suck then you have alot of players coming off of contracts, including Pena. No harm, no foul type of trade.

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cpguy

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:14 am

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Drop In wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

Who made it clear that Wilkens would go if Hendry goes? I've heard nothing to that effect. If anything, Ricketts will keep Wilkens around to get the young (and cheap) talent so he can pay down some debt.

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cpguy

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:19 am

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Drop In wrote:

cpguy wrote:

Drop In wrote:

I'm not an optimist by any means. But I'm not buying into Cub gloom and doom for next year. This, again, was a nice/good, not great, signing. Carlos Pena was the best option available. Debate that all you want. I'll take this deal over Paulie's all day. For the Cubs. Also, it's a one year deal! Jim Hendry's closest confidants blew chunks hearing Pena didn't get an eight year, 340 million dollar deal. Did I have to mention the no-trade?

I disagree. They should have traded for a young first basemen with an upside as opposed to Pena at 10M.

What if they were sold Chris Davis is the answer for three years? Even if he ends up sucking from day one?

My whole thing is the band-aid bullshit, throwing 10M at 1 guy so they don't suck big time as opposed to trading for young talent that may actually help you win something down the road. Take that 10M and sign some international talent for example and see of Colvin can handle first base. WTF not? They're already stuck paying most if not all of Fukodome's bloated contract assuming they can't move him. They'd have to eat 10M minimum of that contract.

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whistler

Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:04 am

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cpguy wrote:

Drop In wrote:

What if they were sold Chris Davis is the answer for three years? Even if he ends up sucking from day one?

exactly...I dont have a problem with a 1-year band-aid, but for $10 million?

I seriously think nady would do great and he would covet the job...he did good last year and earned a chance...and he'd be cheap

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Post subject: Re: Carlos Pena????

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:08 am

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johnnyfontane wrote:

Juiced wrote:

If Pena does recover, the Cubs could be just a few breaks away from contention in a weak NL Central.

Yes if the breaks include Pujols' leg, Wainwright's arm, and Votto's coccyx.