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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:14 pm 
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What "rule" was changed?

The rules actually state "Each team may start 1 QB". So.......by "changing" you mean "enforcing", right?

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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spanky wrote:
What "rule" was changed?

The rules actually state "Each team may start 1 QB". So.......by "changing" you mean "enforcing", right?

A guy picked Webb up (within the rules), and you said he couldn't have him. That would be going against what the rules say, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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spanky wrote:
What "rule" was changed?

The rules actually state "Each team may start 1 QB". So.......by "changing" you mean "enforcing", right?


It's the same as a guy being a OF/IF in Fantasy Baseball or a F/G in Fantasy Basketball.


There have been guys listed as RB/TE's for years and nobody has a problem with it. People are having an issue because there are more points involved here since it involves the QB position. If he's listed as a QB and WR, he is allowed to be put at either position. Any negative feelings toward it are just sour grapes.


It may not matter at all if Favre plays....

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:23 pm 
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I believe that you have to go under the premise that if a player starts a game as a QB that he's a QB regardless of how Yahoo originally classified him.

With the invention of the wildcat, you could make an argument that every QB is also a WR since they do line up there for that formation.

Now, if you have someone like Brad Banks who actually does play the other positions it's different. Joe Webb, if he plays, isn't playing WR.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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If your site lists him as QB/WR he should be allowed to start in either position. It happens in fantasy baseball all the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
If your site lists him as QB/WR he should be allowed to start in either position. It happens in fantasy baseball all the time.





Exactly.

C/1B too. So if my catcher is playing 1B, should I not get the points because I'm playing him out of position?

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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It may not matter at all if Favre plays....


That would be a hilarious turn in all of this.



If he doesn't play, I lose easily. Even if he plays, he'd have to play well for me to win. Shit sucks bigtime...

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Seems to me as the commish of the league Spanky is allowed to enforce the rules of his league as he sees fit, which is what he did.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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IMO, the baseball example is not the same as this. Neither is the TE/WR. Here's why:

In baseball, all players accumulate stats offensively in the same way, regardless of position. If Vlad Guerrero plays DH or OF, it doesn't matter, his offensive stats are still the same when it comes time to count the points he earns, right?. To be honest, I don't play fantasy baseball, but if Vlad comes in the 9th inning to pitch a blow-out game because they ran out of pitchers, and he happens to pitch a K or two, do those count toward your team's pitching stats?

In football, a TE and WR accumulate the majority of the stats the same way - by catching the ball.

However, a QB does not accumulate points the same way as a WR. Our league is heavily slanted toward favoring QB's - always has been (Vick got 50 pts again this week for example). Webb could have a really shitty game tonight, but still easily score 20+ points as a QB, which would be a really good game for a WR.

To me, that's a big difference in this case.

I didn't just act alone and force the team to drop Webb. I asked the rest of the league for their opinion. Not counting me, the manager in question, or his opponent, I received 4 opinions from others: all 4 said they thought it was unfair and shouldn't be allowed. 3 people didn't respond at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Making that decision just seems like you are overstepping a little bit. Does starting Webb at WR violate the spirit of the game? Maybe, but the guy isn't breaking any rules. It was actually a very smart play by whoever did it. If he gets an advantage, he should be commended for it, not penalized, IMO.

I've been in some leagues where the commish really rules with an iron fist, and those experiences seem to be the worst. I only think someone should step in when there's a case of obvious collusion or obvious asshattery.. If someone gets fleeced in a trade it shouldn't be voided unless it's just something that no sane person would ever do.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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spanky wrote:
I received 4 opinions from others: all 4 said they thought it was unfair and shouldn't be allowed. 3 people didn't respond at all.



Because they didn't get him on their team.


The baseball is a good example by the way. I was thinking more about the defensive stats that some use in their leagues. Say you have a player who is a catcher/anything. He may get a ton of PO's because he's a catcher but I'm still playing him at 3B. Same thing if I'm playing a SS in the outfield and am getting a bunch of assits.

And what if LT throws a touchdown pass on a trick play? He'll get a completion and a touchdown. There is nothing against the rules if Yahoo allows a player to be designated as two different positions. You just don't like it....

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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I think the problem in this case is that Joe Webb is no longer a WR. Jay Cutler has been lined up at WR while playing when they run the direct snap packages. However, he's still a WR.

Yahoo probably can't easily take someone out of a position without messing things up. However, it seems pretty obvious that Joe Webb isn't going to be a WR in this game.

I agree with spanky which is a really bad feeling.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
And what if LT throws a touchdown pass on a trick play? He'll get a completion and a touchdown. There is nothing against the rules if Yahoo allows a player to be designated as two different positions. You just don't like it....

LT is making that throw as a RB, not as a full time QB. That's the difference.

Also interesting the way you've invalidated all of the opinions of the other players in the league. I would not have picked Webb up at all - so "not having him on my team" doesn't invalidate my opinion as you say. 3 of the 4 opinions came from people who did not make the playoffs, so their season is in effect already over, so not having him on their team doesn't seem like it's important. You are trying to read the mind of all of the other players instead of just taking their opinion at face value.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I agree with spanky which is a really bad feeling.

:shock: Did anyone else just feel that?

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Should have let it go just to see if somebody got screwed by Favre rising from the grave tonight. Of course I'd be surprised if Favre lasts the whole game, but still.


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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Favre tried his best to bounce me out of playoffs, but you can't fight destiny. Won my game by 3 points. Thank God that Nas is a good commish...



Yes i lost by 3 points--im not gonna complain,,was it right?--who cares you took advantage of it.Congrats you won,,,,Moss Eats Shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Favre tried his best to bounce me out of playoffs, but you can't fight destiny. Won my game by 3 points. Thank God that Nas is a good commish...



Yes i lost by 3 points--im not gonna complain,,was it right?--who cares you took advantage of it.Congrats you won,,,,Moss Eats Shit.



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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Favre tried his best to bounce me out of playoffs, but you can't fight destiny. Won my game by 3 points. Thank God that Nas is a good commish...

Cheater.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Looks like Joe is starting again this week. This may be my best post-season pickup evah....

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Looks like Joe is starting again this week. This may be my best post-season pickup evah....

I'm drafting him next year in the first round.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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Looks like Joe is starting again this week. This may be my best post-season pickup evah....

I'm drafting him next year in the first round.


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 Post subject: Re: Joe Webb
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i grabbed tebow this week. SERIOUSLY considering starting him against houston, that defense sucks, and tebow may get a chance to run all over the place on them.


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