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Bruce Levine on Silvy and Waddle said that it's imminent per his source (aka Jim Hendry the Bully).

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Like I've touched upon in the hot stove thread, 100% dependent on the prospects involved. I'd be really disappointed if it's 3 of our top 10 guys.

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Did they say who they were giving up?

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Did they say who they were giving up?


Nah, Levine just reads the board :D I am pretty concerned about the Cub clearing out all of the top guys for a guy that might not be such a long-term addition...


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This rumor needs to go away already. Its well past its shelf life.

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In other news, "Dr. Ken's guy" is reporting that the Cubs should acquire Garza today.

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According to Bruce Miles:

"Would you give up Chris Archer, Hak-Ju Lee, Brandon Guyer and Robinson Chirinos to get Matt Garza. The Cubs are getting set to do just that, I've learned this morning. An announcement is not imminent for several reasons (physical exams, for one), but that is the package (based on several conversations with reliable sources I've had last night and early this morning) the Cubs will to give up to get what they believe is a No. 1 or No. 2 pitcher. I've also learned there may be additional parts to the deal for each team."

That is a lot to give up for Matt Garza. According to BA, they rank Archer the Cubs #1 prospect, Lee #4, and Guyer #10. Terrible move.


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I think this could end up a real bad deal. Garza is a fly ball pitcher and that is usually a recipe for disaster at Wrigley. In general I'm against trading high level prospects for pitchers unless they are top 10 guys. Garza is a good pitcher but he is nowhere near top 10.

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That is a lot to give up for Matt Garza. According to BA, they rank Archer the Cubs #1 prospect, Lee #4, and Guyer #10. Terrible move.

If this is the move, they should not make it. They need to rebuild, not make a mediocre 2nd or 3rd place finish.

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I think this could end up a real bad deal. Garza is a fly ball pitcher and that is usually a recipe for disaster at Wrigley. In general I'm against trading high level prospects for pitchers unless they are top 10 guys. Garza is a good pitcher but he is nowhere near top 10.

Where were you on the Peavy deal?

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Fuck this noise. This is a stupid move to sell fucking tickets and nothing else. You can't rebuild if you trade everyone away.

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This rumor needs to go away already. Its well past its shelf life.


He's just the new Brian Roberts...


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Using a bunch of suspects to dramatically improve your major league roster is a no brainer. Garza will become the #1 guy and has the ability to dominate the NL central. This would easily be the best move Hendry ever made.


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That is a lot to give up for Matt Garza. According to BA, they rank Archer the Cubs #1 prospect, Lee #4, and Guyer #10. Terrible move.

If this is the move, they should not make it. They need to rebuild, not make a mediocre 2nd or 3rd place finish.

Even with this move, I'd be surprised if they can finish 2nd. 3rd may be a struggle.

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For fucks sake. If Lee and Archer are traded away for Matt fucking Garza I'm putting up a damn fire Hendry billboard.

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This rumor needs to go away already. Its well past its shelf life.


He's just the new Brian Roberts...

Who was the new Miguel Tejada

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That is a lot to give up for Matt Garza. According to BA, they rank Archer the Cubs #1 prospect, Lee #4, and Guyer #10. Terrible move.

If this is the move, they should not make it. They need to rebuild, not make a mediocre 2nd or 3rd place finish.

Even with this move, I'd be surprised if they can finish 2nd. 3rd may be a struggle.

Agreed. So what if this guy wins 15-18 games, this team has way too many holes to fill.

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I think this could end up a real bad deal. Garza is a fly ball pitcher and that is usually a recipe for disaster at Wrigley. In general I'm against trading high level prospects for pitchers unless they are top 10 guys. Garza is a good pitcher but he is nowhere near top 10.

Where were you on the Peavy deal?


Hated it. My thoughts should be around because I believe I was using this moniker at the time.

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I think this could end up a real bad deal. Garza is a fly ball pitcher and that is usually a recipe for disaster at Wrigley. In general I'm against trading high level prospects for pitchers unless they are top 10 guys. Garza is a good pitcher but he is nowhere near top 10.

Where were you on the Peavy deal?


Hated it. My thoughts should be around because I believe I was using this moniker at the time.

Good, at least you're consistant... well...
Were you against it because he was ouchy (which turns out to be qwuite prescient)
or were you against it for the Farm Drain?

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Good, at least you're consistant... well...
Were you against it because he was ouchy (which turns out to be qwuite prescient)
or were you against it for the Farm Drain?


I don't believe I mentioned anything about injury. My main issue was the money he was being paid and the fact that I believed his park made him a better pitcher than he was. Clayton Richard would look nice in the Sox rotation right now.

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Anyone else wonder why the Cubs are seemingly the only team in the mix for Garza?

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Anyone else wonder why the Cubs are seemingly the only team in the mix for Garza?


The Rangers were supposed to be involved too. I'm guessing the Cubs are bit more aggressive. That's odd considering how many times the Rangers swung and missed this offseason.

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Good, at least you're consistant... well...
Were you against it because he was ouchy (which turns out to be qwuite prescient)
or were you against it for the Farm Drain?


I don't believe I mentioned anything about injury. My main issue was the money he was being paid and the fact that I believed his park made him a better pitcher than he was. Clayton Richard would look nice in the Sox rotation right now.

Hmm. If he were to perform at pre injury levels in the Cell that he had thus far prior to injury I don't believe he was over paid at all. He was pretty good with the Sox... His WHIP was right around his career average for the half year he played in 10. 7.8 k/9 good... 2.74 BB/K not bad... that's 93 k in 100 IP. He was however close to giving up a career high in Go'Fer balls though, 13 in 107IP is higher than his average, but not significantly considering the new competition and lively park.

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HOVA wrote:
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Good, at least you're consistant... well...
Were you against it because he was ouchy (which turns out to be qwuite prescient)
or were you against it for the Farm Drain?


I don't believe I mentioned anything about injury. My main issue was the money he was being paid and the fact that I believed his park made him a better pitcher than he was. Clayton Richard would look nice in the Sox rotation right now.


I completely disagree about Clayton Richard. He had a nice season, in a pitchers park. Away, not so much.

He had a better W/L record on the road, but his ERA was over a point higher, his BABIP was 75 points higher, and he had almost 40 fewer strikeouts in only 9 fewer innings.

He is a flyball pitcher that is now lucky enough to pitch in a park kind to flyballs.

I would do the same trade any day of the week.

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I completely disagree about Clayton Richard. He had a nice season, in a pitchers park. Away, not so much.

He had a better W/L record on the road, but his ERA was over a point higher, his BABIP was 75 points higher, and he had almost 40 fewer strikeouts in only 9 fewer innings.

He is a flyball pitcher that is now lucky enough to pitch in a park kind to flyballs.

I would do the same trade any day of the week.


Even knowing that there is a chance Peavy is now Mark Prior?

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Good, at least you're consistant... well...
Were you against it because he was ouchy (which turns out to be qwuite prescient)
or were you against it for the Farm Drain?


I don't believe I mentioned anything about injury. My main issue was the money he was being paid and the fact that I believed his park made him a better pitcher than he was. Clayton Richard would look nice in the Sox rotation right now.


I completely disagree about Clayton Richard. He had a nice season, in a pitchers park. Away, not so much.

He had a better W/L record on the road, but his ERA was over a point higher, his BABIP was 75 points higher, and he had almost 40 fewer strikeouts in only 9 fewer innings.

He is a flyball pitcher that is now lucky enough to pitch in a park kind to flyballs.

I would do the same trade any day of the week.


Considering Peavy's arm fell off and the money he is making?

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Technically, his arm is fine. His back on the other hand... :shock:

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Considering Peavy's arm fell off and the money he is making?


Yes to you and Scorpio.

It's his shoulder, btw. The potential of the deal was far better than what was given to San Diego. It was a cash dump on the other end, and even with Peavy in doubt, they're better off without Richard in the rotation and Poreda in the bullpen.

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Considering Peavy's arm fell off and the money he is making?


Yes to you and Scorpio.

It's his shoulder, btw. The potential of the deal was far better than what was given to San Diego. It was a cash dump on the other end, and even with Peavy in doubt, they're better off without Richard in the rotation and Poreda in the bullpen.


Fair enough, but the Sox are paying millions of dollars to not have Richard in the rotation. That money could be used for a pitcher whose shoulder muscle is connected to his body.

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The money due to Peavy (which has an insurance policy) didn't stop the Sox from spending this off season.


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