How does that pertain to the conversation? If you don't want to have one you should probably refrain from posting on the topic. I'm asking you a serious question. What positions has O'Reilly ever taken that you consider out of the American mainstream?

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I don't think he is extreme. I just think these guys make big issues out of minor stuff, O'Reilly included. I'll give you two examples. O'Reilly was very mad at the last election about that polling place in Philadelphia where it was alleged that several African Americans intimidated a white voter. They played a film on it over and over. He got very upset with Eric Holder for not prosecuting those people. If I was the commentator, I would have spent about 2 minutes on it since the people in question were obviously just thugs, and then moved on. It wasn't like Holder had sent these guys out to do this. I'll give you another example. O"Reilly spent endless time on the NBC/GE thing and got in many verbal spats with MSNBC and its hosts. He tried to tie Immelt in with Obama and made a big issue and spent lots of time on it.

My point- are these really the things that ails America? If you want to spend time on real race relations issues, I'd welcome that. My goodness we could talk about broken families, poor schooling, incarceration and the like. If you'd like to discuss crony capitalism and its negative impact on the country great. But "no" he'd rather argue about one off little instances, make them bigger than they need to be, and all just to find a way to attack the Obama administration. Mind you, I am a hardcore conservative, and this stuff bothers me. I care a lot about this country and would rather have real debate.

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I'm not exactly an anti O'Reilly guy. He seems to be the most level-headed of the Fox talking heads. The one thing I think he's crazy about is his perceived "War on Christmas" that he goes off on every year. I think that's a bit out of the mainstream.

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The only thing I remember seeing from O'Reilly that I thought was kinda fucked up was when he went to a predominantly black restaurant in Harlem with Sharpton and made a big deal that the customers were acting civilized. It seemed to give off a not so subtle and pretty condescending "Oh gee, they're just like us afterall" vibe

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The one thing that cannot be disputed, is that he is a raging asshole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY

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Remember the abortion doctor that was assassinated? In many ways his rhetoric may be responsible. While I'm as pro life as any far right wing guy I wouldn't broadcast information that I knew could get someone hurt for following the law of the land. I believe others that are as pro life as I am wouldn't do what he did. He's also a racist too. He only invites the dumbest of guests that help him advance his propaganda and racial stereotypes. The majority of Americans aren't racist either. Age and cultural divide aren't an excuse. He also toyed with the birther and Muslim stuff. Saying he took the president at his word about being a Christian and saying he believed the president was a citizen but he should release his birth certificate to shut the doubters up. These are views I wouldn't consider to be mainstream. As I said Bill O'Reilly isn't as blunt as the other opinion hosts on Fox but he shares many of their views.

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You're covering a lot of ground with this post.

First, I'm not sure what you believe O'Reilly said that would in anyway make him responsible for that abortion "doctor" being killed. Regardless, I'm not sure how you can really have a pro-life stance- which I assume means you consider a fetus (particularly a long term one like the ones the guy that was killed specialized in aborting) to be a human baby- and not easily be able to justify the killing of that "doctor". If you saw a guy murdering a three day old baby, would you feel justified in killing him? I'm pretty sure the law that allows eight and nine month abortions is out of the American mainstream rather than people who oppose it.

As far as him being a racist is concerned, yeah, he is. He's a white American. We're all racists to one degree or another. You want to have an honest conversation about race in America, we can have one. If you're going to look at black poverty and crime and blame it on circumstances (which is obviously the case, because I hope we agree that the color of one's skin doesn't have anything to do with one's abilities or character), you also have to consider the circumstances that are behind white racism. While all American whites are most certainly racists, the vast majority aren't actively so and most don't even believe they are. It's a tough conversation. Just this morning I heard Matt Spiegel wrestling his own racism in a discussion on Oil Can Boyd. I know he didn't think his racism was coming out, but it was. Holmes knew it. He was just too polite to say anything. I don't blame him. You're a black man. Think of how difficult your life would be if you confronted every tiny hint of racism you ran up against. I feel pretty confident in saying I don't believe you could do it without having some kind of mental breakdown. So you shrug it off or talk around it like Lawrence did. And the white guy showing the racist viewpoint goes on about his business, oblivious. I'm sure Spiegel would be ready to fight if someone called him a racist. Unless we can be honest about this shit, it's probably going to be difficult to change it.

But I'm getting pretty far away from talking about O'Reilly here. He never demanded Obama's birth certificate. In fact, he interviewed him and pretty much fawned over him the entire time he was lobbing softballs. O'Reilly likes Obama. He may take on his policies occasionally, but I've heard him support them nearly as often.

As far as his dislike of hip hop is concerned, that's definitely generational. He often sounds just like Mary Mitchell in denouncing vulgar and anti-woman rap lyrics.

Finally, I'm not a fan of Bill O'Reilly. I find it ridiculous that after so many years interviewing people in remote locations he can't figure out how the delay works. His mainstream political views are not mine. He's a guy right in the middle slightly to the right. Richard Roeper is a guy right in the middle slightly to the left. Roeper will find shit to argue with him about because he believes he should. But their politics are remarkably similar. And in fact, from what I've read from you in this forum, in some ways, you're more of a right-winger than O'Reilly.

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I've never been called a right winger before. My view on abortion is about as good as it gets.

Bill likes Obama because he's the only one Obama allows to interview him.

O'Reilly blasted the guys personal information on the air and basically invited someone to hurt him. It was covered here. While I believe all abortion is murder by law late term abortion is legal. Late term abortion isn't allowed at 8 or 9 months either.

I would love to have a race discussion. We've tried that a few times and failed. The best that comes to mind was myself and FF. We didn't have any older guys jump in though. I was no older than 24 or 25 at the time. The older I've gotten I've started to believe class is a bigger issue than race in most of the country. I think the south is the main area that hasn't caught up to the current times when it comes to overt racism.

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Yeah a few of those threads were pretty good.

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I think you're mistaken there.



Clarence Page wrote a good article about that just this week. He referenced a book by Charles Murray called Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010.

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Uh JORR did you just ignore my whole post about the book Coming Apart (above in this thread)? I specifically asked you about it. Then you reference it later on. Guess I am on ignore!

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I saw it and went to Amazon to buy it.

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Sorry, dude. I guess I missed that.

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Uh Oh.....looks like there is going to be a new topic of discussion at the JORR fan club this week

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Yes my resignation!

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"Bill likes Obama because he's the only one Obama allows to interview him."


what does that mean? i am not a fan of oreilly..he is a loud mouth d bag..is oreilly a fan of obama? has he interviewed him? this would be news to me if it were true.. racial discussion? what would like to know?

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That hurts, denis!

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He's the only opinion guy on Fox that Obama has done an interview with. They've done 3 so far.

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